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This guy'll have plenty of time to work on his short game. Starting right about... now.

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This guy'll have plenty of time to work on his short game. Starting right about... now.

The Magic rolled over a despondent Celtics team to earn a date at the dance with our footloose Cleveland Cavaliers. A stellar three-point shooting performance led by Hedo Turkoglu's 4-5 from behind the arc helped the Disney darlings demolish the defending champs. Boston's injuries caught up and their luck finally ran out. Despite a good game by Ray Allen, Paul Peirce laid a satisfying egg and will be joining the rest of his team on the links shortly. Given the ugliness of the series, it's hard to say Orlando has "earned" a matchup with the Cavs but reagardless, here we are. And you know what? It's not gonna be another cakewalk for LeBron and the Horsemen of the Basketball Apocalypse.

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I'm not wont to make predictions, but this series is certainly going to be tougher than the previous two. Let's get something clear up front: the Magic are no joke. If we get lazy on the perimeter, their shooters can bury us. Likewise if we focus too much on Turkoglu and Lewis and leave a dominant Howard open under the hoop. We were 1-2 against Orlando in the regular season, and they handed us our most lopsided loss of the year. But if 2007 showed us anything, it's that the regular season doesn't mean jack.

This Cleveland team has always taken it to another level in the playoffs, and this year is proof of that. I don't see the Cavs rolling through the Magic like we have the Pistons and the Hawks. Even with Mo Williams and Delonte West having great years, I don't think we're going to outgun these guys. But, if we play our game the way we're meant to, if we get the defensive performance we've come to expect, then we can shut them down on one end and exploit their defensive ineficiencies on the other. Oh. And we have some guy named LeBron. I hear he's decent.

Furthermore, Game 7 was the first time the Magic really looked like they were playing up to their potential and even then, they beat a broken Boston team running on fumes. It's possible they could beat us, sure, but they'd have to do it in our house -- and that doesn't bode well for Orlando.

Remember fellas, One Goal -- this is just the next step.

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Cavs sweep
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Magic sweep
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Cavs in 5 or 6
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Magic in 5 or 6
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Cavs in 7
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Magic in 7
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Cavs in 6

games. Orlando is going to be tough and I have a feeling we will get crushed one or two games but Lebron and Co are to mentally tough to go down to them.

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by E5 on May 17, 2009 10:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If it were Boston, it would be a sweep!

I want to predict a sweep here but thats expecting too much from even this team. Still could happen and I would love to see it!

So I told her," I'll be nicer if you try to be smarter!'..That was a mistake.

by Juannieboy on May 17, 2009 10:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This looks good on paper!

Honestly this can be very interesting series!
The Cavs: We have the best player in LeBron. Great scoring PG. AWESOME SG! Two big men (7’3 Z and 6’11 V). Great bench; Boobie is previous playoffs hero. Sasha hustles. Joe Smith is athletic.
The Magic: PURE DOMINANT CENTER. Two big, shooting, scoring fwds. A scoring PG and a big SG. Bench is so-so.
On paper, this lis hard to call! The starters are almost evenly matched. Everyone is healthy. Everyone is capable of scoring. Boobie Gibson is actually a starter. Joe Smith is a consistent player. The Magic have 3 starters capable of scoring 20+ ppg. Magic have dangerous scorers in Hedo and Rashard. Magic are on emotional high.
The slightest advtange Cavs have is our bench play and the fact we are well rested. Tough yet fun series!
CAVS in 6.

by williest1 on May 18, 2009 9:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Gibson does not get anything close to start minutes; in fact, his minutes have been going down recently because of his poor shooting. Wallys got more minutes than Boobie in 3 of the 4 games against the Hawks.

Dwight Howard is dominant on the defensive end but not on offense. Most of his scoring comes from getting open looks after the defense rotates to cover their 3-point shooters. A large percentage of his baskets are dunks. He’s not very good at back-to-the-basket plays when he’s being guarded by a defender. If we can keep a man on him and stop him from getting open looks then he won’t be much of a scoring factor.

The Cavs have the decided edge in this series, but if Orlando can shoot like they did in game 7 against Boston then they can definately beat us. The key will be our defense on the perimeter keeping their shooters in check. I have a feeling Delonte West will be big in this series.

by Buckeye Brad on May 18, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

5 Things Cav fans should worry about Note-I grew up in Ohio. saw my first Cavs game the first year of existance at the old (and I mean old) Cleveland Arena back in 1971. I was a kid, loved to listen to Joe Tait, can remember Bobby "Bingo" Smith, and thought Austin Carr was one hell of a player. I remember the mirace at Richfield and still grimace when I see the Jordan shot over Ehlo that has been replayed a million times.

I left Ohio in 1986 for Central Florida. I still follow the Browns and Tribe closely. I became a Magic fan the first year of existance and never looked back. I hope LeBron stays in Cleveland, I wish my old stomping grounds only the best. And…I have built up a healthy dislike for the Cavs. I read the blogs, I realize the LaBron has brought a brand of front runner to the Cleveland fan base that while I understand the reasons (like all those Bulls fans in the 90’s now wearing LeBron garb) I totally destest.

Anyway…….here are the 5 things any real Cleveland fan should worry about the next two weeks. As a Magic fan this is the team and the series I have been waiting for…..

5. 8 of the last 11. Orlando matches up very well, don’t kid yourselves otherwise. Lots of blowouts sprinkled in those 8 wins too.

4. Cleveland has not been tested, I mean really tested this year. Oh, and you got beat by the Lakers, lost 2 of three to the Magic (and needed a very questionable call on LeBron for the only win) and floundered a bit aginst the Celtics. Good teams give you problems. Detroit and Atlanta do not qualify as good teams.

3. Your defense is not as good as advertised. Orlando shreded it with ease in the two wins. Orlando is a qucker team all around.

2. Two words….Dwight Howard. Yeah…..Yeah…you go LeBron and he will get his, Howard willl dominate inside and make the Cavs a jump shooting team.

1. YOU LIVE IN OR FOLLOW CLEVELAND SPORTS. Has history taught you anything? I have lived a great deal of that history with you, the Drive…the Fumble….the 1997 World Series (I hate Joe Mesa), the Boston meltdown in the 2007 ALCS. That is just for starters. A true Cleveland fan has no right to be confidant about anything…ever.

Just saying

Waiting on LeBron and the Cavs

by Brutalfacts on May 18, 2009 9:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good teams give every team problems. Losing two to the Lakers means nothing; in ‘07 the Cavs beat the Spurs twice in the regular season and still got swept in the Finals. Not giving the Cavs credit for sweeping Detroit and Atlanta is ridiculous. Sure, they weren’t great teams, but that’s the reward the Cavs got for clinching the #1 seed. But you have the give the Cavs credit for the way they completely dominated those teams. Atlanta is a good team that the Cavs made look awful. I’m not saying the Cavs will do the same thing to the Magic, because they won’t, but they are playing well right now.

As I said above, Howard can dominate defensively but not offensively. And our defense was ranked first in the NBA, so if it’s not that good then who is? You can’t just look at two games and say our defense isn’t that good, you have to look at what happened over the whole season. Two games is much too small of a sample to determine anything from.

by Buckeye Brad on May 18, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just a thought....

…using the example of the Cavs coughing up a big one in the finals don’t mean the regular season doesn’t count.. it just means the Cavs didn’t show up when it counted the most…kind of like when the Magic went to the Finals in 95. But you should never use your own team as a a bad example as to why the regular season doesn’t count. You might as well say that Cleveland having the best regular season record doesn’t mean anything or the 39-2 home record either…just doesn’t make any sense.

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I’m saying TWO games don’t mean anything, not the whole season. Big difference. And it doesn’t matter which team you’re talking about.

by Buckeye Brad on May 18, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In that case any comment on the cavs combined record ...

…against Orlando , Boston, and the Lakers? Still to small sampling..?? lol

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

look, this is going to be a good series, and will certainly be the toughest series the cavs have faced in these playoffs…but what you lay out here is patently ridiculous. i guess i’ll just retort in order:

5. i’m quite sure this stat will get a lot of play in the orlando media, but to me it’s entirely meaningless. how many seasons do those 11 games span? 3? 4? i’m not going to go back and check, but the two teams played 3 times this year…i’d venture a guess that they didn’t play 8 times last year.

4. cleveland has not been tested? you’ll say this one plenty, as well, but it is also absurd. the cavs played an 82 game schedule and won 66 times. that’s pretty tested. and, on the flip side, the magic are “tested” b/c they struggled with a weak 76ers team and were taken to the brink by a KG-less celtics team? the mere fact of cleveland’s dominance says nothing of their “testedness”, just as their inability to close out weakened teams doesn’t assign any greater “testedness” to orlando.

3. false. just absolutely false. and you have no facts to back this up. #1 defense in the NBA for 82 games. and the quickness point is maybe your worst one. every player in the cavs starting 5 is quicker than his counterpart on orlando except the z/howard matchup. but you have jj redick. next.

2. dwight howard is a man-beast on defense and the glass, no question. but the c’s series exposed his paltry offensive game for just that. we’ll single howard when we’re on defense, and then penetrate and pop to z, who hits j’s at better than 50%, while howard cherry picks for blocks. as well, z and av are 2 of the best offensive rebounders in basketball, so howard’s block attempts should lead to second chance points.

1. while i appreciate you’re trying (and failing) to be funny here, this one is pathetic, too. the cavs were the best team in the NBA this year. we have every reason to be confident.

oh yeah…and LeBron James.

as you were.

by DontCallMeJoey on May 18, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love IT....just love it

….continue to delude yourselves at your own risk. It will be decided on the court and we will all be Witnesses.

Nobody has been exposed…..we in Orlando already know Dwights offensive limitations. On a casual basketball fan thinks Dwight is counted on the be the go to guy.

I stand my utter disrespect of the Cavs D

Hope Flopsie hs tuning up his “floor game”. Z is always a non factor vs Orlando.

That “quick” team of your was run into the ground TWICE by Orlando this year. Oh yeah………your so above the regular season.

Bring it on…….best shot….you know David Stern is on your side, ratings you know. It will be delightful to upset his apple cart too.

Waiting on LeBron and the Cavs

by Brutalfacts on May 18, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your “utter disrespect” for the #1 defense in the NBA! So, tell me, which defenses do you respect? The ones worse than the Cavs defense (hint: that would be every other team in the NBA)?

by Buckeye Brad on May 18, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

…Cleveland just had the lowest opponents scoring average….Orlando actually had the league’s best defense according to ESPN’s John Hollinger’s efficiency rating of 98.9 to Cleveland’s 99.4, which was tied for 2nd with Boston. The ratings are based on point per 100 possession…so if the Magic and the Cavs played each other….theoretically…the Magic would have the better defense. So factually speaking…the Cavs didnt have the #1 defense in the NBA…the Magic did. The Cavs just played slower tempo and therefore gave up less points. Sorry to burst your bubble….but really its a mute point…both defenses are great.

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really, you’re arguing over 0.5 points! That’s the big difference?!?

by Buckeye Brad on May 18, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't get huffy..lol..

…if you had read i ended in saying it was a mute point …because both defenses are great….i was merely factually showing that overall Orlando was rated #1..not Cleveland.:)

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know you said it was a moot point . . . but then why did you write a whole paragraph about it? That’s a lot of words over nothing.

by Buckeye Brad on May 18, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because if i just wrote a one-liner saying the Magic were #1 not Cavs...

..it probably would have went over like a ton of bricks in n egg factory:)

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough…i love hollinger, so i’ll accept his efficiency ranking. however, there were clearly several important categories (scoring, FG%) in which the cavs were the top-ranked team in basketball. so the argument over whose defense is better, b/w the cavs and magic, is pretty futile.

the point, though, was to refute brutal’s “utter disrespect” for the cavs’ D. that just makes no objective sense whatsoever.

by DontCallMeJoey on May 18, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree the differences are minimal...

…as i said in my reply previously. I also agree utterly disrespecting the Cavs defensive capabilities is ridiculous.

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i’m not sure it’s delusional to say that this is going to be a very good, very tough series…but that i’m confident that the cavs will come out on top. the cavs were the nba’s best team this year, the nba’s best team at home, and have homecourt advantage.

as well, the cavs had the best FG% against in the nba, and orlando is a jump shooting team.

until orlando shows me something different, i’ll feel pretty good about this series including 4 games in cleveland.

by DontCallMeJoey on May 18, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What exactly do you need to see??

  The numbers and records you spouted were regular season statistics…and in the regular season i believe the Magic won 2 very convincing games at home and lost one very questionable one at the “Q”. tho i do agree having home court is huge in this simply because the NBA will not allow deny it’s golden child Lebron James a trip to the finals by losing a game 7 at home. So if the Magic are to win.,…they must do it in 6

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The first Cavs loss they were missing 40% of their starting lineup, and the second was the second of a back-to-back when they got in at like 5 am. Not excusing that last loss, because it was terrible, but you can’t make judgements from a few games. That’s simple statistics — large samples mean more than small samples, so that’s why you look at the whole season, not just a few games.

by Buckeye Brad on May 18, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think what i’d need to see is a better-rounded offensive game than what i have seen out of the magic so far. they are a jump-shooting team w/ a man-beast in the middle who gobbles up rebounds. there is no post game to speak of, no mid-range or screen-and-roll game…it’s jumpers and d. howard dunks.

that’s clearly been effective, but having watched approximately 80 cavs games this year i can’t say that i see that type of offense being successful against the cavs over the course of 7 games.

and save the crying about the NBA not allowing LeBron to lose on his home court in game 7. you think the NBA would rather the magic torched boston in game 7 over seeing a LeBron/Celtics rematch? please. that’s laying out your own excuse for losing 2 weeks in advance. the homecourt matters b/c the Cavs were one of the best home teams in NBA history this year, and no other reason.

by DontCallMeJoey on May 18, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No post game?

 Did you mean specifically Howard? If so you have apparently missed the sweet post game of Rashard Lewis and Turk when not bombing away…..which they used effectively against Boston.

  And just because NBA favoritism is a reality with stars in the NBA doesn’t mean it’s crying. I merely said that if the Magic want a realistic chance to win the must do it by homecourt in Game 6!!

 And as for the Boston Game 7, don’t kid yourselves…the ref were definitely trying to manipulate a close game for Boston….if you saw the non calls against Boston( Perkins screening Reddick so Allen could free) and the ticky tack fouls they were giving Howard (3 on pick and rolls) the game should have never been so close and finally Orlando played so good compared to Boston there was nothing to prevent a blowout.

 And yes i am a conspiracist who believe the NBA and David Stern manipulate playoff matchups to make more money. The only thing that kept the Celtics out of the ECF was the fact that they Orlando finally got out of their own way and showed how much better they were than Boston. But anyways thats old news now

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Listen, you can find close calls in every NBA game going both ways. That’s the nature of the game. I hate hearing all this NBA fixes games crap. I said that before LeBron came to Cleveland and I’m saying it now. That kind of stuff is just being a sore loser.

by Buckeye Brad on May 18, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So...just curious then...

  You’re ok as a Cleveland fan with all the crap Jordan got away with against all those great Cleveland teams during those Championship years?? It doesn’t burn your ass just a little??:)

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i’d be really interested to see what percentage of lewis and turk’s shot were of the “post game” variety. b/c i’d venture a guess that it is a very very small number. the fact that those two post up sometimes doesn’t a post game make. they are both perimeter players.

i’ve appreciated your input and a lot of what you’ve said, but your conspiracy theories (especially saying a game that the magic won by 20 was being manipulated against them) really chop at your cred.

by DontCallMeJoey on May 18, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

honestly i'd love to see the numbers on that if there are any stat geeks out there..

…believe it or not…speaking for Lewis specifically….the NBA’s top 3 point shooter is much more lethal in the paint…unfortunately Dwight’s presence has stifled that part of his game until the Celtics series…he is a nightmare matchup for most any team inside. As for Turkoglu…he’s just a nightmare…for the Magic mostly and for other teams occasionally…not really a big fan of his off/off/off/on again game..

…as for the conspiracy therapist in me…just one man’s opinion…i don’t think about it as whining because i never use it as a crutch when we have lost..lol…the Magic are more often than not their own worst enemies…we don’t need any “help” from the refs in that regard..lol

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think there are enough legit criticisms of the Cavs, some of which you’ve already made, that you shouldn’t need to use the crutch of whining about the league’s preference for its so-called “golden boy.” Weak.

I'm *always* in the driver's seat, cugino -- Chuck

by Turkmenbashi on May 18, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really don't recall critizing the Cavs...??

  I think they are a great team….albeit mostly because of Lebron….i think for the most part i have only brought to light ares in which our team excells….i don’t remember saying anywhere where the Cavs were deficient…at least not that i can remember?? I don’t really get a charge out of critizing other teams…i’m more of a “our team can do this well” and your team can do that well" Like AV for instance…he’s a nightmare on the board for us…and if he’s starts getting those “offensive charges where the guy barely touches him if at all”…lol..then we are going to have some trouble on our side.

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh...and i'll ask you the same question...

…were you ok with the “Jordan Rules” before Lebron came to town??:)

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

on the one hand, as a self-declared basketball “purist”, the Jordan Rules grind my gears a little bit. it would appear that a foul is a foul is a foul.

however, thinking more realistically, there’s really no way around “star treatment” and i can’t say that i’ve ever been too worked up by it (except for the calls D. Wade got in the finals against the Mavs…that was a different level of star f*ucking). refereeing an nba game is one of the world’s hardest jobs, in my opinion, and given that the stars drive the popularity of the game, i can see how the star treatment arose and continues. not saying it’s right, per se, but i get it and have never complained too much about it.

by the way, there’s a credible argument to be made that LeBron gets fewer calls than other stars b/c of his sheer size.

by DontCallMeJoey on May 19, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A can agree with that assesment...

…in general i think that if Lebron “gets” any call it would tend to happen on the outside where the refs basically call anything close. Same thing with Dwight, he gets the majority of his fouls away from the basket for ticky tack stuff…but i admit he gets away with murder inside sometimes…..but not nearly as much as he gets hammered himself i think underneath…it was the sameway with Shaq. I think perhaps why Lebron stayed outside hitting jumpers against Orlando after he drove a few times and got a non call. I’m praying to god he doesn’t force the issue inside this series…because if he does…i’ll be the first to say it will be a very short series for us!!

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 19, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This, this and this.

I'm *always* in the driver's seat, cugino -- Chuck

by Turkmenbashi on May 18, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have to disagree...

..While i’ll give you easily that Lebron and AV are quicker than Lewis and Turk…there is no way Mo Williams is quicker than “Skip to My Lou” Alston….and i can gaurantee you that Courtney Lee is quicker than D. West….which i’m sure his old buddy Jameer from St. Joe’s is whispering in his ear as we speak..lol.

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we’re going to have to agree to disagree, b/c you’re dead wrong. mo williams is much quicker than alston.

by DontCallMeJoey on May 18, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess..

…we’ll find out Weds..:)

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man that was brutal....

…i mean i’m a Magic fan bu that last part was just brutal..lol!!

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I watched....

….and remain unconvinced. This can be a great series. If anyone is going pull away in this one it will be Orlando. Better speed, better overall players (LeBron excluded), more weapons AND no pressure. None…its all on Cleveland. Winning one at the Q early is key, and I think game one is ripe for the taking.

Waiting on LeBron and the Cavs

by Brutalfacts on May 18, 2009 10:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

are you making this up as you go? have you watched the cavs this year?

by DontCallMeJoey on May 18, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

More weapons?!?!?! Who? Better overall players besides LeBron — do you really think that JJ Redick is better than Delonte West? Rafer Alston is better than Mo Williams? Really? Have you seen the Cavs play at all this year, or are just making this up?

And why do you think game one is “ripe for the taking” — because the Cavs have had over a week off to rest and prepare? And don’t say they’re going to be rusty because the Cavs destroyed Atlanta in game one of that series after having a week off. The Cavs goal is to win a championship and nothing less will make they happy; they are focused on that one goal. Orlando is not going to sneak up on them or catch them off guard.

by Buckeye Brad on May 18, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes. More weapons.

I have to back up brutalfacts comments. If you refer to Rafer and Redick as our stars, then yes. You have more weapons. But what about Rashard? What about Hedo? I don’t underestimate Delonte or Mo Williams.
But, after watching the Magic play ALL YEAR long, last night was the first time in the whole playoffs that they played like they did in the regular season.
And, if they play like that, then you should be a little worried.
Who’s going to guard Rashard?
Hedo?

And then when you double, there’s Pietrus, Redick, Alston, Lee to contend with.

The Cav’s have a great team.
There’s no doubt about it. But I can tell that you have only watched the Magic during the post season and maybe a few other games.

If Hedo and Rashard continue to play like they have over the past few games…..this series might come as a big surprise.

by darylglen on May 18, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, let’s see, Hedo is matched up against LeBron so that’s a BIG win in the Cavs favor. Rashard Lewis is better offensively than Varejao but not better defensively. Dwight obviously is a big mismatch for the Magic but that’s the only one I see of the starting five. So how does Orlando have “more weapons” than the Cavs? Sure, you have Lee coming of the bench, but Wally, Boobie, and Joe Smith have been playing solid for the Cavs. I don’t see how Orlando has more weapons than the Cavs. Everyone who hasn’t watched the Cavs think the team is just LeBron but it’s not, they’re a much better team this year than they were the last few years.

You’re right, if the Magic play like they did last night then I’ll be worried, they’re not going to shoot 65% from 3-point land again. Especially not against the Cavs’ defense. You admitted yourself they haven’t played like that all postseason; you can’t take their best game from the playoffs and assume they’re going to play like that every game against the Cavs.

by Buckeye Brad on May 18, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe i'm wrong...

…but isn’t Boobie practically stuck at the end of the bench because he hasn’t been able to shoot his way out of a paper bag since the foot injury or something like that??

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i’m seriously astounded at the claim that orlando has more weapons than the cavs. absolutely flummoxed.

maybe we’re using different definitions of weapons, but LeBron is clearly the most potent weapon in the whole series, and is a + in the Cleveland column when comparing against either lewis or turk. we’ll go w/ turk, though. so:

LeBron > Turk
Mo > Alston
Delonte > Redick or Lee
Lewis > Varejao
Howard > Z (although this one is tighter than people want to admit)
Joe Smith > Gortat
B. Wallace = Tony Battie (i think i’m being charitable)
Pietrus > Wally (i guess)
Sasha > Redick/Lee
Gibson > A. Johnson

tell me i’m wrong…

by DontCallMeJoey on May 18, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No offense.

But you are wrong.

by darylglen on May 23, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uhhmmm....

  You won’t be seeing JJ in this series…there’s a new Sheriff in town haven’t you heard?? He goes by the name or Courtney Lee:)

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i would say at this stage of each of their careers, west is the better nba player. would you disagree?

and sasha is definitely better than redick, so my list above is solidified

by DontCallMeJoey on May 18, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree on West being a scorer but not all all-round better player...

…and isn’t he a 3 or 4 year vet?? Lee is just a rookie who didn’t start till about the last 30 games of the season. I don’t know if you’ve seen him play but the kid has major stones for a rookie. As far as Sasha and JJ go…why are we talking about 2 guys who will get 6 minutes a piece in this series like they matter..,,and JJ took serious step forward in the playoffs defensively…maybe sasha did too?? The last time i remember playing you guys he was an after thought in the rotation…same as Boobie?? If things have changes my apologies.

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by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cavs not tested Blah, Blah

Ever since the playoff started, I keep hearing and reading about how easy the Cavs have it playing these cupcake teams during the playoffs. But, when looking back in the 08 playoffs when the Boston Celtics was on top. Did anyone ever bring up the teams they played to win the championship and how easy their run was suppose to be? Case in point, they played a Hawks teams 37-45 in which they were suppose to run over. Instead the Hawks played them tough 7 games. The Celtics played the Cavs 45-37 in the next round and struggled in 7 to beat them. Then came Detroit to beat them in 6 if I remember. Now with that in mind fast forward to 09 playoffs. The Cavs on top playing a Pistons team who finished 39-43 who we all know swept them in 4. Then played a much improved Hawks team who had a better record than last year at 47-35 swept them as well. I know injuries played a big role in the last series whatever. Anyone else has a take on this?

by slimjo on May 18, 2009 11:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. The Cavs have taken care of business, straight up. I fail to see what’s wrong with that.

I'm *always* in the driver's seat, cugino -- Chuck

by Turkmenbashi on May 18, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if.....

……anyone here has watched the Magic……

Nobody has claimed that Rafer is “better” than Mo Williams, Rafer will however hold his own. All that is asked of him.

You will see less Redick and more Courtney Lee. JJ was filling in, and did a nice job on Ray Allen thus Stan kept the rotation together through the Celtic series. If you think your going to see JJ get those kinda minutes against the Cavs your mistaken, matchups will not allow it.

The worst thing that has happened to the Cavs is to have the marshmellows they played in rounds one and two lay down for them. Atlanta was banged up, and never really had a chance if healthy. Detroit quit playing in January. Rest = rust.

Waiting on LeBron and the Cavs

by Brutalfacts on May 18, 2009 12:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Who are you replying to? Use the reply button, it’s helpful to know who you’re talking to instead of just posting at the bottom of the page.

by Buckeye Brad on May 18, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rest = rust.

this is the sort of thing that teams who have little factual basis to be confident resort to saying.

by DontCallMeJoey on May 18, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right. Like I said before, the Cavs didn’t look rusty in Game 1 against the Hawks, did they?

by Buckeye Brad on May 18, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, they kinda did, to be honest. LeBron carried them for the first couple of quarters until everyone else woke up. It’s hard to quantify, but I think there’s something to the “rust” theory. But I also think that this team wants it too much to let that happen.

I'm *always* in the driver's seat, cugino -- Chuck

by Turkmenbashi on May 18, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the "Rest = Rust" thing..

  The only thing i would have add to this is one question?? When exactly was the last time the Cavs played a REALLY GOOD team in a meaningful game?? I don’t know their schedule….but please don’t tell me it was that 30 point blow out in April. It’s one thing to take lunch money from a couple of anemic kids in the science club…but it’s quite another to try and take it from class bully who’s going to punch you in the mouth the first time you reach into his pocket!! This is obviously not to represent the Magic as bully…as they are far from it…although getting better as the playoffs go.:) It just means Atlanta and Detroit were just happy to make the playoffs…and can any of you Cavs fans say you were really would about beating either one? Game 1 will be key for the Magic…if the Cavs are sleeping..they’ll meet a similar fate the the Celtics and lose their much needed home court!

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by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 5:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Atlanta and Detroit were just happy to make the playoffs?!?! Are you serious?? I’m sorry, but that statement ruins your entire credibility. The Pistons made SEVEN straight conference finals, so why the heck would they be happy just to make the playoffs? And the Hawks almost knocked off the Celtics last year and beat D-Wad and the Heat this year, so saying they were just happy to make the playoffs is ridiculous.

I don’t know why people continue to act like the Cavs winning by large margins is a BAD thing. That’s simply crazy. Do you really think the Cavs are scared of the Magic? Of course they respect them, but to act like Orlando will be a “bully” to the Cavs is silly. Every game in the playoffs is meaningful, it doesn’t matter what the quality of competition is. The Cavs are a focused team and have not taken any game for granted. You can’t argue that the games against the Hawks and Pistons are meaningless.

by Buckeye Brad on May 18, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok..maybe Atl was a stretch...

…even though i doubt they ever had serious aspiration about getting part the Cavs. But Detroit…come on now they were 7 time ECF BEFORE the started blowing up the team trading Billups for Iverson in a salary dump. I can guarantee to that Rasheed Wallace mentally checked out after Game 1.

   Nobody ever said the Cavs were scared of the Magic…..so don’t go beating that drum…cause it wasn’t said and it would be a ridiculous statement if it was. The "bully " analogy was merely to point out that beating up on average teams like the Hawks and the Heat, can’t possibly be as good as preparation as playing elite teams like the Cavs Celtic Magic or Lakers , when it comes to getting to something as important the ECF and a ticket to the NBA finals. Obviously any playoff games are meaning full, but can you honestly say the quality of the competition doesn’t matter?? If so i would have to disagree with you!!

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So beating a bad Sixers team and a Cetlics team without their best player is good preparation for facing the Cavs? That’s “quality competition”? You could take that argument both ways.

by Buckeye Brad on May 18, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Celtics were quality yes...

…the Sixers not necessarily quality but they took us out of our comfort zone and that was good for us as a team to learn to deal with adversity and that helped us greatly when things were bleak with the Celtics. Hey…maybe the Cavs don’t need lessons on adversity and they’ll be fine. All i’m saying that for us as a unit…it was much better that we had adversity early than breezing through the first 2 rounds before we had it. Maybe you think they Cavs will sweep the Magic…maybe you don’t think they’ll ever have adversity this year like they did against San Antonio. I don’t know. Just saying for us it was great to have to struggle early. we learned a lot about ourselves an became a much better teams in the last 2 games because of it…and to be honest…i like our chances a lot better now than i did before the playoffs started.

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by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that’s a good answer. it’s important for a team to know about itself as it advances in the playoffs.

to me, though, your answer has little to do with the quality of the opponent. the magic learned a lot about themselves as a team through the difficulty of their prior series, and that’s fine; the cavs, on the other hand, i would say learned a lot about themselves based on their dominance in the first two series. they’ve worked up a lot of confidence, which is equally important.

by DontCallMeJoey on May 19, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think your probably right ....

….given the dynamics of the 2 teams…Orlando being a team that tends to hurt itself more than it’s opponents do…i.e….stupid passes…stupid shot selection…playing down to the level of the competetion….coasting when we have a big (but perhaps not big enough..lol) lead, while the Cavs have Lebron…probably one of the best closers in the game….who can outweigh any problems the Cavs may have with his ability to completely dominate or take over a game. Orlando obviously doesn’t have a player like that. I think probably both paths were good for each respective team…it should be a great competive series i think!

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 19, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

game 4 of the atlanta series. atlanta was a very good team this year…they were the 4 seed in the east! if you’re discrediting atlanta, then what does that say about orlando, who finished a mere slot ahead of them in the east standings?

using your own criteria, ask the same question of the magic. when was the last time the magic played a REALLY GOOD team in a meaningful game? the celtics, without KG, are not a really good team. they’re just not. so, please, with the checklist you’re using to denigrate the cavs’ playoff performances, comment on the magic.

personally, i’d say that winning game 7 was a big win for the magic, an important win. but so was game 4 for the cavs. my feelings about the outcome of this series have very little to do with who and when they played in “meaningful” games.

by DontCallMeJoey on May 18, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe i missed it??

  Why was Game 4 big for the Cavs?? Was the series in doubt at the time? Was there really anything on the line…other than a potential game 5?

  You and i both know that in no way can you compare teams like Atlanta and Miami to teams like Cleveland, Boston, and Orlando. and for you to say that Boston even without KG isn’t a REALLY GOOD team..is just silly…perhaps you’ve forgotten that he only play 57 games this year, including 6 trying to come back injured…and they still managed to win 62 game this year…just 4 less than Cleveland? Oh and they were defending NBA Champs…so to say they aren’t a really good team is just silly i’m sorry..lol

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by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 6:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

game 4 was big b/c a.) it was a playoff game and those are all big, and b.) it was a close out game, which is the biggest of all playoff games. putting the hawks away on their floor, with their backs against the wall was a big win for the cavs. period.

boston clearly drops out of the cleveland/orlando league without KG. you just can’t convince me otherwise. i realize they were 18-7 w/o him in the regular season (although they were 7-7 w/o him in the playoffs), but it’s not the same team. the c’s w/ KG played at a 63.5-win rate, w/o they played at 59 wins. if you factor in the playoff games, they were 25-14 w/o KG, which is a 52.5-win rate.

i’ll stand by the statement that the c’s are not a REALLY GOOD team w/o KG.

by DontCallMeJoey on May 18, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

brian scalabrine played 23.3 minutes per game in the non-KG orlando series. case closed.

by DontCallMeJoey on May 18, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok DCMJ...lol..you win..

…i guess that makes the defending champs with last years Finals MVP Paul Pierce, All-Star and future fellow HOF, Ray Allen, Mr. Triple Double Average Rajon Rondo, and Kendrick Perkins…probably the 3rd best defensive C in the league an average team right?? I see your point..lol…what was i thinking!!! :)

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by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree that rondo and perkins are underrated, but w/o KG, this is not a class of the league team. and especially w/o KG AND leon powe, the c’s are not in the upper echelon. i think it’s being dishonest not to count the playoffs in their non-KG record, and a 52.5-win team is not world class.

by DontCallMeJoey on May 19, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said they were "World Class"....

…Just said they were REALLY GOOD…..world class would be REALLY REALLY GOOD…..like the Cavs..lol. BTW way…i think this series is for the NBA title..i think whoever wins the East win win the NBA title…as long as we don’t have to face our nemesis Chauncey Billips…if we get there of course!!

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by MagikFanatic on May 19, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see your point!!

  Clearly a 59 win team isn’t REALLY GOOD…like the Magic for example…lol. It must be nice to live in that rarified air in Cleveland that Lebron creates…lol!! MAN!!!

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I appreciate th (relatively) civil attempt at conversation from visiting Magic fans, but I think you guys really need to lay off the cliches and crutches. There are legit reasons to think the Magic could win, but I see very few of those reasons being vocalized here.

I'm *always* in the driver's seat, cugino -- Chuck

by Turkmenbashi on May 18, 2009 7:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Was that to anyone in particular Turk?

 I spent so much time replying i didn’t have time to read all the posts…so if it was one of mine…i’d love to know…i hate cliches..lol

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 18, 2009 11:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nah, you’re cool. You’ve provided a lot of insightful stuff with only a little cliche :-)

Just a general note.

I'm *always* in the driver's seat, cugino -- Chuck

by Turkmenbashi on May 19, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol......re-reading my posts now...

…looking for those damn cliches…there should be a cliche-check like there is spell-check i think!!

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 19, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, as long as you gave 110% when you posted. And you took all your posts one comment at a time.

by Buckeye Brad on May 19, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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