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Facts Vs. Reality

Let's get real about some things. Moreover, let's talk about actual facts, instead of inventing them. Facts do not oppose reality if we're thinking clearly.

First, there are some awesome Magic fans contributing here; they're courteous, passionate, and observant. It's cool to see, and if the Magic finish us off, we'll wish them well.

Second, there are rude, ignorant Magic fans polluting these boards. Sadly, some Cleveland fans have jumped on board with their "arguments." So the next time someone says something like the following, you'll know how to respond.

"The Magic just have more weapons than the Cavs and we saw it in game four."

Game four was one of the biggest outliers we could have possibly seen, for two main reasons: 3-point shooting and Rafer Alston. Game four did not demonstrate that the Magic is a better team; it demonstrated that occasionally a monkey can write Shakespeare.

Start with Alston. You probably know that he's not an all-star. But did you know that, in the past decade, he's one of the five worst shooters in the league with several hundred starts?

That's right. He's one of the *worst shooters in all of basketball.* He's not a "streak shooter," as some have said. Unless you count the streaks of paint he chips off the front and back iron. Not only that, but he's unsavvy enough on offense to take one shot every three minutes -- a hefty ratio for a dreadful shooter.

Fun fact: One of the closest statistical comparisons to Alston comes in the form of former Cav Larry Hughes. Cavs fans, did anyone think of Larry Hughes as a weapon? A streak shooter? An outside threat?

Alston's numbers:

Career: 38.6% FG, 35.4% 3P, 72.9% FT
2009 Playoffs, pre-Cavs: 38.6% FG, 33.3% 3P, 66.7% FT
This series: 44.6% FG, 43.4% 3P, 100% FT

This is THE GUY you want taking a ton of shots. Luckily, he's obliging. Sadly for us, he's caught the streak of his life.  This does not mean the Magic have better weapons.

"The Cavs' defense is obviously over-rated. Just look at this series!"

We've already discussed the outlier that is Alston. Now let's talk about Dwight Howard's free throws, which have gotten a lot of attention.

Season: 59.4%
Series vs. Boston: 54.3%
Series vs. Cleveland: 71.5%

For a guy averaging 10 free throws per game, that's a dramatic improvement. But would it have really made a difference?

Probably. In game three, which was a two-possession game inside the last two minutes, Howard would have connected on 3 fewer points if he simply matched his season average. In game four - and we all know how tight that was - he would have scored 2 fewer.

Now, how about Rashard Lewis, hottest shooter alive?

Season FG: 43.9%
Series FG: 55.5%
Season 3P: 39.7%
Series 3P: 57.8%

After game one it was clear we had to make adjustments. Did they work?

Game 2: 6-15 FGs
Game 3: 5-8 FGs
Game 4: 5-9 FGs

We smothered Lewis in game two with excellent rotational defense. Then something extraordinary happened: Take a look at his field goal attempts in games three and four.

Do you know the last time this season that Lewis played at least 40 minutes in a game and attempted fewer than 10 shots? Never. It did not happen.

Do you know the last time this season that Lewis attempted fewer than 10 shots in a "full" game? March 15th.

If you want to say that Mike Brown didn't make adjustments, I will have a hard time believing you.

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Nice post, tabs, good look at the numbers. I honestly didn’trealize how bad Alston was usually.

Ride on ye fearsome Horsemen of the Basketball Apocalypse. We got this.

by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2009 10:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, historically bad. And it’s amazing that his pre-Cavs performance perfectly lined up with his career average in FG%. Would be nice if he could duplicate that against us.

by tabler84 on May 28, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fact

Rafer Alston’s 1st round was better than this round. His stats are awfully inflated by the last game, he has been a no-show almost the entire series until Game 4.

It’s hard to say Alston is killing you when he’s only really showed up 2 out of 4 games (5-17 in games 1 and 2, 16-30 in games 3 and 4) will put a significant spike in your statistics. I’m not a math whiz but, it looks like Game 4 makes it look like he’s killing the Cavs when he hasn’t.

by Boney on May 28, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baloney, Boney.

By your cherry-picking stats, Alston has had one dud game against the Cavs, and three games in which he out-performed his norm by wide margins. That’s a fact.

by tabler84 on May 28, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fact cont'd

tabler84,

“By your cherry-picking stats, Alston has had one dud game against the Cavs, and three games in which he out-performed his norm by wide margins. That’s a fact.”

Game 1 vs Cavs – Rafer 4-10 (40%)
Game 2 vs Cavs – Rafer 1-7 (14%)
Game 3 vs Cavs – Rafer 6-13 (46%)
Game 4 vs Cavs – Rafer 10-17 (59%)

Remove the one great game (37% of his total round FG attempts), and he is shooting at his career averages of what, 37% from the field? 36.6% to be exact which is 2% BELOW his CAREER average which you’re proclaiming to be the norm on an 82 game basis. Rafer is not shooting out of his mind in all games, just one. I mean, if we’re looking at it through the same statistical comparison you are, season or playoff round totals. Rafer is a streak shooter, as evidenced in Game 4. He’s always been a streak shooter.

Tell me again how he’s shooting lights out “oooh he’s 100% from the FT line…” he’s 7/7. I think most NBA players (except Ben Wallace or Shaq) have hit 7 straight FTs before.

Fact: Orlando is out-hustling Cleveland
Fact: A good amount of Cleveland fans thought it’d be 16 game sweep through the playoffs, as evidenced in the discussions I had outside the Q in Game 1.
Fact: The “great” surrounding cast built around LeBron is only regular season, when it doesn’t matter, tested and not ready for championship basketball.
Fact: Wally S. should’ve been traded at the deadline, “chemistry” is overrated when it comes to adding a Pippen to LeBron/s Jordan on the roster.
Fact: Cleveland is not in great cap position to improve next season, or the year after if they sign LeBron to max. MLE and LLE can only take you so far.

by Boney on May 28, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, you were going great until you started to make up the “Fact:” portion of your post. I agree that apart from game 4, we have no real reason to believe Alston is having performance that can’t be repeated. But in regards to your “facts”:

  • Orlando is outshooting the Cavs from the 3 point line. Let’s not mistake this for any other facet of the game, especially hustle.
  • Completely and utterly irrelevant. This is being whiny.
  • A nice opinion, but one that is only defended by a very small four game sample. There’s no real reason to believe the Cavs can’t come back and have some solid performances
  • You have no idea what was available for Szczerbiak’s contract, except for Shaq.
  • The four best players on a 66 win team are 24-26, and they have more expiring contracts to use next year. There isn’t a dire need to add players in FA.

The last three comments are purely opinions, of which two have so little evidence on either side that no one should feel too strongly about.

by 7foot3 on May 28, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well said. i’d also add that there is nothing about the magic’s roster that is either “tested” or “ready” for championship basketball. i’m not going to look in detail right now, but i’d bet the cavs have a great deal more finals experience in their regular rotation (LBJ, z, boobie, ben wallace, AV, sasha off the top of my head) than any of the magic (has anthony johnson played in a final? away from that, i’d bet this is the first conf finals for most of these guys). so, i do believe Boney is speaking directly out of his arse…

by DontCallMeJoey on May 28, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once again, stop listing opinions as “facts”! Why is it so hard to know the difference!!

Orlando is out-hustling Cleveland

Opinion, not a fact.

A good amount of Cleveland fans thought it’d be 16 game sweep through the playoffs

Opinion, not a fact.

The "great" surrounding cast built around LeBron is only regular season, when it doesn’t matter, tested and not ready for championship basketball.

Opinion, not a fact.

Wally S. should’ve been traded at the deadline, "chemistry" is overrated when it comes to adding a Pippen to LeBron/s Jordan on the roster.

Opinion, not a fact.

Cleveland is not in great cap position to improve next season, or the year after if they sign LeBron to max.

Opinion, not a fact.

by Buckeye Brad on May 28, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i knew lewis had been somewhat bottled up, but i didn’t realize the extent.

by DontCallMeJoey on May 28, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any TRUE Magic fan can tell you how bad Alston's shooting was this year..

…in fact if i’m not mistaken his Orlando numbers where worse than his Houston numbers even!! Most couldn’t believe he was shooting that well even WITH wide open look….i suspect he’ll return to his normal 13-15 points for game 5. It’s going to be a tough one!!

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re not going to believe this, but his FG% was much better with Orlando than Houston this season (41% vs. 37%).

by tabler84 on May 28, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You sure..??? Lol..he must have gotten better after being so dicusted i stopped looking at his numbers....lol

…what about the 3 pt %…wasn’t lower tho? That’s actually what i was referring to…

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is awesome. i, too, did not realize how bad alston’s shooting numbers are.

let me get something straight, though, is it not fact that i think the magic are a bunch of jerks and stan van gundy wears terrible gear? THAT is a fact, right?

by DontCallMeJoey on May 28, 2009 10:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Heh, no, not facts. I actually like SVG a lot. Keeps his cool in tough spots, fun to listen to, respectful to opponents.

by tabler84 on May 28, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah comon. I’ve only posted here twice so far, but I’m trying to be as courteous as possible. It saddens me to see my fellow Magic fans flame and troll, but I really hope you guys won’t see that as a norm for Magic fans. SVG does have a very uh…. special taste for clothing though. lol

by CityShrimp on May 28, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha, he’s joking. I think most people here like SVG.

Ride on ye fearsome Horsemen of the Basketball Apocalypse. We got this.

by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Facts vs. Reality

Cavaliers Regular Season:
-66 wins
-2 losses at home (1 without the starters playing)
-Best defense in the league
-Shucking and jiving on the sideline during blowouts, showing the other team no respect

Cavaliers Postseason:
-Easily dispatched a Pistons team who had no business being anywhere near the playoffs
-Easily dispatched a Hawks team who was not as good as their record indicated (their improvement is due in large part to Detroit’s fall from grace)
-Shucking and jiving on the sideline during blowouts, show the other team no respect
-Younger, more athletic Magic team is outplaying (and outshooting) the Cavaliers on both ends of the floor
-Magic are winning the hustle points while Cleveland is hoping for a call or hoping for the “best team in the league” respect from the refs
-Orlando is playing while Cleveland is talking about playing. Remember 2006 when all of you hated Rasheed Wallace and Chauncey Billups for how arrogant they were towards your team? Mo Williams and LeBron are filling those roles quite well.

Cleveland is a good team, but clearly they’re flawed. Rafer Alston had 1 great game, Rashard Lewis had 1 game, Dwight had 1 game… where’s Hedo’s game? Magic have more than 1 guy who can get hot and kill you, while Cleveland has who?

by Boney on May 28, 2009 11:03 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I don’t appreciate your point about “shucking and jiving.” I think if you listen to comments made by the team, aside from Mo’s “guarantee” (which was led n by the media), we have an awful lot of respect for other teams. We also have fun playing basketball. Nothing wrong with that. Say what you will about Mo, but LeBron has always conducted himself with dignity and respect for the other team and that is what separates him from most superstars in any sport. Let’s not forget you have a guy who thinks nothing of calling himself Superman and wearing a cape.

Otherwise, though, it’s hard to argue that this isn’t a flawed team, you’re right. Every team has its flaws, but perhaps this one has flaws bigger than we realized or bigger than the record would indicate. Tabler84’s larger point, however — and I think he’s spot on — is that it is unusual for you guys to be beating us the way you’re beating us and that, for the most part, our attack plan has worked.

There’s basically nothing we can do about Alston shooting the way he has other than tip our caps.

Ride on ye fearsome Horsemen of the Basketball Apocalypse. We got this.

by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right. It’s not unusual for the Magic to beat us — they’re an excellent team. It’s unusual for the Magic to win in this fashion. In fact, it’s very, very unusual and, frankly, astoundingly lucky.

Oh, and LOL at the idea that the Cavs are a one-man team on offense. Yep, he has been in this series, but that doesn’t offset the season.

by tabler84 on May 28, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

spot on. the whole point of upper-echelon basketball (which i believe the ECF qualifies as) is to play the odds…to try to force weaknesses to become strengths. make ‘em shoot shots they don’t like to shoot, make the shooters who don’t shoot well shoot a lot, blanket the studs and make the role players step up.

the cavs definitely did that in Game 4, and i believe can be said to have done much of that in at least games 2 and 3 (and the first half of 1). as has been said, if that’s how we lose, then so be it.

by DontCallMeJoey on May 28, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like that..

Mo’s “guarantee”. you don’t even need to hear the question to know what Mo was saying, it’s not like they hid the tape from everyone and reported it in their own words.

Shaq has called himself “Superman” for years and no one has beef with him about it.. oh, but he has rings. Dwight hasn’t called himself Superman because he is dominating people, the media dubbed him Superman because of the dunk contest, and the dunk contest only.

Let’s not forget, LeBron is a guy who has a tattoo that says “Chosen One” across his back as if he’s been touched by God to be greatest the NBA has ever seen. He still has to step on the court and play the game just like the others.

Say what you want about the sideline antics and being mad I call it “shucking and jiving”… It’s not necessary. You can have fun on the sidelines, you can wave towels on the sidelines, you can do whatever you want on the sideline… as soon as it looks like you broke out a game of “Rock Band” or “Guitar Hero” on the sidelines, it becomes a little bit excessive. The only thing worse than the jumping around on the bench is dumping gatorade on Doc Rivers’ head before the end of the game

by Boney on May 28, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So Rashard Lewis is a better offensive player than Mo Williams? In this series he sure is. Anyone would be. But do you care to match their performance side-by-side from the season?

Lewis: 36.2 mpg, 17.7 pts, 43.9 FG%, 39.7 3P%, 83.6 FT%
Mo: 35.0 mpg, 17.8 pts, 46.7 FG%, 43.6 3P%, 91.2 FT%

If you want to say that Lewis can “take a game,” you’d obviously have to concede that Mo Williams can take over one as well, considering he’s been the better offensive player. I mean, it’s close, but Mo scores more points in fewer minutes on fewer shots.

See, when you only react to four games, you can come off as pretty ignorant.

by tabler84 on May 28, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Given Mo's obviously credible numbers during the regular season....which honestly i was unaware they were that good...

…can anyone from the Cavs fanbase (who would obviously know better) …what the heck has happened to Mo in the playoffs????

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually I was wondering the same thing. Did not know that Mo shot so well during the regular season. Maybe the pressure of the playoffs is getting to him?

by CityShrimp on May 28, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could be...he came from Milwaukee after all.....

…and when was the last time THEY sniffed the playoffs??? lol

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We all would love to know. And Mo might have hinted at the answer.

He was dreadful in game one against Detroit, and after the game he admitted to being nervous for his first playoff game. Most players in professional sports can handle postseason pressure fine; statistically, there is very little evidence that “clutch” even exists. But “unclutch” certainly does exist. It occurs when players can not perform up to their normal standard.

We still need a larger sample, but I’m hoping Mo isn’t one of those guys. Bleh.

by tabler84 on May 28, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When you look at all 82 games

including the opening week and the shooting slumps or the final week of the season when it doesn’t matter… and try to equate that or extrapolate that into a 7 game series, it’s pretty ignorant.

I’m more apt to believe how a guy is shooting in the last 7 or 8 games is how he’s going to shoot in the series we’re in now. In the series we’re in now, you can’t factor in what the guy did in October or November because who knows what injuries, personal problems, defensive assignment was, etc…

Just like a hitting streak in baseball, if you’re a pitcher you can’t look at Travis Hafner and say “well, he hit .230 before the hitting streak I can pitch to him however I want” when he’s been hitting homeruns in 5 straight games leading up to yours. THAT’S ignorant. “Oh, Hafner’s been CREAMING fastballs for the last 2 weeks, but his CAREER statistics show he hits fastballs at a .225 batting average so that means I can throw my fastball and take a chance”.

When Detroit won the Finals in 2004, Luke Walton and Brian Scalabrine had career playoff games against them. Shot well above their averages from 3, and from the field. Larry Brown made defensive adjustments, and they were never heard from again the rest of the series. THAT’S where the Coach of the Year steps in and says “hey, I know Alston doesn’t shoot well from 3, but we need to run him off anyway because he’s been hot”. Once you run him off, he may go back to being old Rafer.

by Boney on May 28, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait...Lebron WASN"T touched by the Gods???? :0:0 (Shaking head in utter disbelief!!)

…other than that…the man has a good point about not ignoring the impact of hot streaks….if you continue to leave a bad shooter open again and again…he’s going to start making a higher percentage…not saying thats what’s happening with Rafer…..but it could hurt Lebron to ACTUALLY play defense on him a few times would it??? lol

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually, the statistical truth of the matter is that the larger sample you can take, the better the statistical analysis is. the reason that looking at the full 82 games is more informative than select pockets of games is that the full 82 game data ought to normalize for essentially every condition under which the sample has been gathered. pretty much the exact opposite of ignorant, as you suggest.

however, i will concede that you have a decent point about hot streaks. they must be taken into account and recognized, but a hot streak is what’s known in statistics as an outlier. you can’t really organize an entire gameplan around an outlier. if your average is 40% over 82 games, and you have a 7 game streak at 55%, the statistics say that with every passing game you’re more and more likely to revert back to that 40% level.

walton and scalabrine got hot…but then some combination of defense and mean reversion brought them back to earth. even if brown had continued to play them the exact same way, they would have gotten less hot, according to the stats. now, the stats aren’t ALWAYS right, which is why you have to be mindful of hot streaks, but the more often you play the numbers, the more often you will win.

by DontCallMeJoey on May 28, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, plenty of statistical evidence has shown that players in the middle of a hitting streak aren’t any more likely to get a hit in their next at-bat than they normally would, so being “hot” doesn’t make you more likely to get a hit in baseball or a shot in basketball. So you’re actually wrong about that; it doesn’t matter how you’re shooting in your last 7 games or whatever. Players can get hot or cold at any time.

It does matter how you shot all year long because that’s an indication of your natural ability. That’s the point. If someone has shot 30% from 3 for his career, and he’s shooting about 30% this season, then you can expect him to shoot that in the future. Of course, that won’t always happen over a small sample (as is the case with both the Magic and Cavs this series), but you can still expect that in the future.

I know this is hard for many fans to understand and believe, because they’ve grown up learning about a “hot” and “cold” slumps, but those are really irrelevant. Players will play to their natural ability over a large sample even though there will be vast extremes over a small sample.

by Buckeye Brad on May 28, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But i would submit you you both...that the statistics are squewed...

….the baseball analogy is a bad one in Alston’s case…because you can only compare the two if pitchers we’re lobbing the ball underhand to him at the plate. Obviously i doubt there is any data , but i would suggest that it is highly unlikely that Alston gets this many open looks in a regular NBA game with consistency much less his career, so that would necessitate throwing out his season and career averages. Don’t get me wrong…i’m not saying he’s a good shooter…he’s clearly not, but i bet Dwight Howard would makes 3’s if you left him that open continually…i’m sure he does in practice!!

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easily dispatched a Hawks team who was not as good as their record indicated (their improvement is due in large part to Detroit’s fall from grace)

first of all, this doesn’t make any sense. i’m not sure how a team can be “not as good as their record”, nor do i have any how the hawks’ improvement could be in any way, shape, or form related to the decline of a team (detroit) that they played 3 times.

-Magic are winning the hustle points while Cleveland is hoping for a call or hoping for the "best team in the league" respect from the refs
-Orlando is playing while Cleveland is talking about playing. Remember 2006 when all of you hated Rasheed Wallace and Chauncey Billups for how arrogant they were towards your team? Mo Williams and LeBron are filling those roles quite well.

maybe these are your opinions, but they sure as heck aren’t facts, and they certainly won’t be accepted as reality in these pages. cleveland is hoping for a call or special treatment? what evidence do you have of that? and if that were the cavs’ strategy, wouldn’t they be done already? and i just can’t accept that the cavs are merely talking about playing, while the magic are clearly playing, in a series that includes 2 1-point victories and a 2-point victory.

i don’t want to have to rehash this again, as we’ve done it 1000 times elsewhere, but this series in which the magic are so clearly (according to you) outhustling and outplaying the cavs could EASILY be 3-1 cavs if 2 plays (2 PLAYS!) turned out differently over the course of the 4 games.

by DontCallMeJoey on May 28, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those last points are not facts, they’re opinions. Opinions are your thoughts about the game. We’re trying to deal with facts.

by Buckeye Brad on May 28, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boney, you should be very careful with the term “shucking and jiving.” In no way am I implying that you’re using it this way, but it can easily be construed as a racist term.

by JulioBernazard on May 28, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought the same but didn’t want to say anything.

by tabler84 on May 28, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

God point, but I don’t think he meant it that way

Ride on ye fearsome Horsemen of the Basketball Apocalypse. We got this.

by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just to reiterate, I don’t think he was using it that way, either.

by JulioBernazard on May 28, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess i am so far from being a racist...i didn't even realize this had racial connotations???

…i assumed shuckin had something to do with corn…and jivin is dancing?? Is there something i don’t know about??

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It could be

if you’re looking for an excuse

I didn’t mean it that way, but for you to point it out makes me believe you’re hoping I was.

by Boney on May 28, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not at all. I just didn’t want to see this thread turn into a discussion where we kept using that phrase.

by JulioBernazard on May 28, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really don't think anyone would have even noticed to be honest....

…you being the exception of course….

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was the first think I thought, actually. It’s not really all that uncommon. Not trying to start anything, just helping JB out a bit.

I become an expert simply by doing something.

by fwembt on May 28, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Came instantly to mind for me as well.

by tabler84 on May 28, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How did that come instantly to mind for you...yet...

…you were the one that wrote “Game four did not demonstrate that the Magic is a better team; it demonstrated that occasionally a monkey can write Shakespeare.”
 
  and that apparently did not??? EVEN I cringed at that one…

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that’s a pretty common saying…the monkeys writing shakespeare. just another way of saying “blind squirrel finds a nut”, not anything more. shucking and jiving has a pretty charged racial history.

apples and bowling balls, sir.

by DontCallMeJoey on May 28, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This.

I become an expert simply by doing something.

by fwembt on May 28, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol...i'm sorry but i'm just laughing at the notion...

…monkeys writing Shakespeare is common where you come..lol..But i’ll just leave it at that and just an FYI…the reference of “monkeys” with anything to African American involvement…such as an NBA basketball team…has massive racial implications where i live…but of course…this is the south….so if you’re ever down here…i would suggest using the " Blind squirrel finding a nut instead" ..lol

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, i went to school in the south, and i feel pretty comfortable saying that the shakespeare line flies there, too, but not much point in debating this any further.

by DontCallMeJoey on May 28, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Google it.

by tabler84 on May 28, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying i haven't heard it before...

…just saying it’s not something you would want to say in the south….thats all…:)

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe

How much the Orlando fans feel like they’re being disrespected in this series. Why argue the points here?

You’ve got the 3-1 lead. That speaks for itself. Orlando doesn’t need to be defended right now.

Possession games in playoff series’ should not be debated on what could’ve been or which team is better. It’s very obvious that both teams are pretty even. If anything Cleveland has dominated more games before letting the leads slip away.

It’s also unfair to say they don’t play defense when you have a team that can decimate a large lead with three possesions by way of three point shots.

I don’t want to take away from what Orlando has been able to do but I also don’t think we need to be in this blog trying to convince Cavalier fans that we’re the better team. Like both sides have said, the series could be in favor of any team right now.

Go Rockets.

by Rock Creator on May 28, 2009 1:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You’ve got the 3-1 lead. That speaks for itself. Orlando doesn’t need to be defended right now.

Good point. No one here is disrespecting the Magic. It’s a misperception, at best.

Ride on ye fearsome Horsemen of the Basketball Apocalypse. We got this.

by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right. All we’re doing is defending the Cavs from a constant barrage of attacks from Magic fans (on a Cavs fans blog, no less). Not a single Cavs fan here has denegrated the Magic at all.

by Buckeye Brad on May 28, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My purpose is also to point out to the (many) idiot Cavs fans that Mike Brown is not necessarily an idiot and we’re not getting “dominated.”

by tabler84 on May 28, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great point.

by Buckeye Brad on May 28, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, I would watch how we throw around “idiot,” especially regarding other Cavs fans. Misguided, perhaps.

These are trying times.

Ride on ye fearsome Horsemen of the Basketball Apocalypse. We got this.

by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let’s not be too charitable. There are a fair number of idiot fans in our good city. They are the same ones spending a rain delay wondering why Triv isn’t President and why Ben Francisco isn’t batting second and Victor fifth.

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by fwembt on May 28, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but what good does it do for us to call them idiots? Every city has idiot fans. You mention that these people wouldn’t say things like this in person or at a bar, and likewise I doubt we’d be running around calling people idiots to their face.

Ride on ye fearsome Horsemen of the Basketball Apocalypse. We got this.

by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m generally just aggravated with the level of discourse at times. Fair enough?

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by fwembt on May 28, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Completely fair. Just remember, all us Cavs fans, rational or not, sane or insane, we’re still in it together.

Ride on ye fearsome Horsemen of the Basketball Apocalypse. We got this.

by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ME!!!!!!!!!!

but you try not being an idiot with only 1 team out of 4 major sports in the running each year

20 years is a long time…

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by I blocked Patrick Chewing on May 28, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey man, not as long as 45!

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by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did not think about that more teams means more disapointment.

But I wish I could know whats like to have a TRUE horse in the NFL race.

F phins jax and Bruce the buckeye

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by I blocked Patrick Chewing on May 28, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops meant the annoying one eyes orange buccaneer not buckeye

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by I blocked Patrick Chewing on May 28, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But I wish I could know whats like to have a TRUE horse in the NFL race.

Me too. At least you guys have been to a Super Bowl recently.

Ride on ye fearsome Horsemen of the Basketball Apocalypse. We got this.

by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

1964.

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by fwembt on May 28, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's got a point there PC....

…it’s not like Magic fans can trump Cavs or Cleveland fans in general on disappointment or anything..lol

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by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol....i have the luxury of being able to call someone an idiot if i need to....

…but i usually never do…..:)

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Simply put

Just to refute some of your points. I don’t mean to be disrespectful but i would like to voice out some opinions:

“The Magic just have more weapons than the Cavs and we saw it in game four.”

You focused on Rafer Alston in this point that you forgot about Hedo and Shard and MP as well as Lee and Gortat. In this series, the Magic has shown that the other players besides Dwight Howard have stepped their game up.

Alston had a “lucky streak” in Game 4. But Rashard delivered in game 1 and regulation of game 4. Hedo hit the shot in game 2 to lead the game before LBJ hit his three. MP has done a good job defending LBJ in crucial moments of the game. Gortat has stepped in when Howard is in foul trouble. Lee has done a good defensive job on Mo and West.

In terms of “weapons” the Magic have had their guys execute better than the other Cavs. James has been amazing but when it comes down to crunch time, it has been all LBJ. the Magic have other options that have delivered.

“The Cavs’ defense is obviously over-rated. Just look at this series!”

The Cavs defense in the regular season has been spectacular. I mean they were a lock down team THEN. But in this series, though they have made the Magic bleed for their points, these Orlando Boys have found holes in the Cavs D especially on the Hedo pick and roll. They have had a difficult time when Hedo does his pick and roll because he is a triple threat to pass, shoot or drive. This scrambles the Cav’s D leaving the Magic shooters open.

The Cavs bigmen are also at odds with how to contain Howard with all the 4 shooters ready to pull the trigger. I think Varejao has not faced a center in this post season as strong as Dwight (Horford and Haslem / O’Neal). Anderson Varejao is good defensively knowing when to set his feet and hold his position. He has good balance. But Dwight is just too massive and fast and strong for Varejao.

I am not downplaying the Cavs D which is still strong. But in my opinion, the Magic have used their strengths well against the Cavs and have been the more proactive team in this series.

Again, I am not stating facts, these are just my opinions.

by pinoyballer on May 28, 2009 2:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Im not sure why anyone is saying anything at this point.. the series isn’t over. Theres no reason for anyone to be cocky.. especially fans. I think its crappy when one team’s fans rub another team’s fans faces in it. You know how that would feel if you were on the losing end of it.

Fact is – magic fans are probably mostly just pissed because nobody even gave them a chance at this series. The fact that they made it to the conference finals after beating the Celtics in game 7 in boston – even WITHOUG KG is pretty astounding. The Celts had KG out for half the year, but they still managed 60 wins. The fans are probably annoyed at the pre series notion that there was a road paved with gold for the cavs to make it to the finals. As cavs fans, if your team was given that treatment , how you would react.. so whatever.. everyone just watch the games, and have fun.. The best team WILL win this series.

by i2ambler on May 28, 2009 2:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

“Nobody even game them a chance.” As in, like, large numbers of analysts? Paid reporters? That counts as nobody? How about Cleveland fans who were rooting for Boston? That doesn’t count either?

The notion that “nobody gave the Magic a chance” is beyond tired. It’s not even close to true.

by tabler84 on May 28, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody downplayed the Magic.

A lot of the media and other fans were just high on the dominance of the Cavs. They played up the Cavs.

It was just that everyone assumed the Cavs would march on into the Finals. The Magic being up 3-1 is a suprise to many, I bet even to Cavs fans.

But then again media hype does not win games.

by pinoyballer on May 28, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A lot of the media and other fans were just high on the dominance of the Cavs. They played up the Cavs.

I kind of agree that this was the case

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by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had a lot of friends at work (here in North Carolina) tell me “Oh you guys are just going to sweep through the finals.” It was excruciating, because I could see the matchup issues we might have with Orlando or LA.

Granted, I didn’t think we’d be in this situation, but there was definitely some over-hyping going on.

by Chemo on May 28, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel ya there. Everyone at work was like, “Oh, you got it — easy.”

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by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course this is the case. Have we all gone nuts? The Cavs had the league’s best record and the MVP. And they historically marched through two rounds. Why wouldn’t the media play up the dominance of the Cavs?

It’s just that it’s wildly untrue to say nobody gave the Magic a chance. You can talk about one team’s dominant season while also giving another team their due, which is usually what happened when media and blogs covered this series.

by tabler84 on May 28, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean incessant puppt commercials can annoy anyone...lol

….talk about disrespecting Jim Henson….that Kobe puppet does even look like him…if i were him i’d sue!! lol

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by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't really understand this....

are you saying analysts DID give them a chance or DIDN’T…because i don’t remember many giving the Magic a chance…

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

barkley made a pretty prominent orlando prediction

by DontCallMeJoey on May 28, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...one guy...and who in the media takes barkley seriouslty...lol.. maybe the will now...

…my point was the majority gave Orlando very little chance before the series started…

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by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a long list of established writers who picked Orlando. Get over it.

by tabler84 on May 28, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look...i'm not one of the ones who cares that Orlando...wasn't picked..i was glad...more fuel for the fire...

…that being said….Like who for instance?? Instead of just saying “get over it”, which is rude by the way…..try giving more than one example.

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by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know where Tabs is never rude? On 3QC.

I become an expert simply by doing something.

by fwembt on May 28, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totallly NOT true...!!!

Lol…but i suspect that wasn’t your point..?:)

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by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, I don’t get it…

by tabler84 on May 28, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s what I was saying.

I become an expert simply by doing something.

by fwembt on May 28, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be perfectly honest...i think i'm about to get booted from 3QC......

…i offended one of the MOD’s after i took him to task on his statement

“Need a true strong forward? The Magic have one, his name is Hedo Turkoglu.

.. the team’s starting lineup is perfect and doesn’t need to be tweaked."

Exact words…i kid you not…i was flabbergasted. Then i was chastised to disagreeing with a MOD…..uhm ok. Now you know why i am here a lot…much more rational thought…..even if it is slightly biased the Cavs way at times . I can live with that more than i can with complete idiocy.

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by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All I'm saying

Analysts acknowledged that the Magic would be a tougher test for Lebron. But in saying so, assumed that Lebron and the Cavs would continue to win until the Finals.

Now the series isn’t over but the fact that the Magic are up 3-1 and people are surprised, doesn’t this show how much the Cavs’ were expected to be up in this series.

by pinoyballer on May 28, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it demonstrated that occasionally a monkey can write Shakespeare.

WOW.

Whats Mo WIlliams Demonstrate?

Monekys do IN FACT eat their own Shit?

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by I blocked Patrick Chewing on May 28, 2009 3:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I’d say that’s about right.

by tabler84 on May 28, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol You're a good sport, Nice piece by the way...

Some people swear they down as can be
Turns out those same Homies Sit down to pee

by I blocked Patrick Chewing on May 28, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, it’s true. Mo took this team to a new level this season, but during the playoffs, Larry Hughes murdered him and wrapped himself in Mo’s skin. That’s all I can figure.

by tabler84 on May 28, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HA!

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by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats pretty funny....

..i guess that answers my above question as to what the heck happen to mo Williams?? lol

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by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This has to be it. The awful shot selection, inability to set his feet, poor decisions on the break… It all reeks of Larry Hughes. I think you are on to something.

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by fwembt on May 28, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I KNOW Hollinger ripped this off

Some people swear they down as can be
Turns out those same Homies Sit down to pee

by I blocked Patrick Chewing on May 28, 2009 3:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nah, his piece probably went up before this one did. Or very close, at least.

by tabler84 on May 28, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also! I sort of doubt he’s cruising FTS. But who know, right Turk? ;)

by tabler84 on May 28, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

READ THIS FERRY

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by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Legit lol.

I become an expert simply by doing something.

by fwembt on May 28, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I make my living on being legit

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by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read what Turk..?? there was no link...

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha, sorry man, it’s an inside joke we had over on the Indians site. Basically, we’re playing off the idea that a team’s GM would never want to read the crazy stuff that is posted on the internet.

Ride on ye fearsome Horsemen of the Basketball Apocalypse. We got this.

by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, a guy on the Indians site wrote a long rant about the team then wrote at the bottom “READ THIS SHAPIRO”, which was just classic.

by Buckeye Brad on May 28, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Believe me they read

FTS is the number 1 site I go to when I need REAL peoples views, not employer driven drivel.

its updated hourly and usually spot on.

Granted Hollinger comes and finds links to other reporters stuff, but who is going to challenge him for ripping off a FAN POST?

Your attitude is his 1st defense, Why would I JOHN HOLLINGER need to rip off a blog site?

Because as smart as you may be their are always out their who have thought of something you have not.

People read these blogs.

they are the lifeline to the Fans

Some people swear they down as can be
Turns out those same Homies Sit down to pee

by I blocked Patrick Chewing on May 28, 2009 3:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Much Respect for Cavs Fans

I want to preface saying that I am a Celtics fan. With that being said, I did not know who to root for in this series. Dislike both teams. However, with the way Magic fans have behaved on this blog I am the biggest Cavaliers fan there is. I find it apalling the number of Magic fans who have come onto this site looking to ignite fights up 2-1/3-1 in this series. I know its not the majority of the fan base but regardless, it makes the Magic fans look pathetic and outclassed.

I applaud you Cavs fans for keeping your cool. Hopefully that pays off and you guys have the last laugh.

by njnick on May 28, 2009 3:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

we had the orlando RAGE i think the pathetic and outcalssed ship sailed long ago...

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Turns out those same Homies Sit down to pee

by I blocked Patrick Chewing on May 28, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

YOu are talking about Orlando. 1 team town. And a shity 1 team at that. Tourists and Bad traffic. Tmac grant Hill and Shaq

You try showing class with that history, Mr 17 titles

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by I blocked Patrick Chewing on May 28, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, it’s not hard to show a little class. That’s a sorry excuse to act like an idiot (as you said above).

by Buckeye Brad on May 28, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Live in Orlando for 20+ years cheer for the Magic and see if you can produce class.

point is, You can’t

Its impossible.

Unless of course you can turn back time and live your life in Orlando as opposed to Ohio…

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by I blocked Patrick Chewing on May 28, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

any attempts to claim distressed fandom is instantly rebuked when speaking to a cleveland fan. you may think you have it rough…you don’t.

by DontCallMeJoey on May 28, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha, yeah, he’s got ya, Pat

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by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed, Dam guys '64? my old man was 19 in 64 Jesus.

Some people swear they down as can be
Turns out those same Homies Sit down to pee

by I blocked Patrick Chewing on May 28, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep. Now you know why we’re all so defensive.

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by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I need to take a chill pill 20 is not looking so bad right now....

I just feel as if the King is going to Debow someone 4-3 after being down 3-1 why not the Magic, the NBA’s favorite whipping boy?

Some people swear they down as can be
Turns out those same Homies Sit down to pee

by I blocked Patrick Chewing on May 28, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol...i wasn't born in 64...if i lived in cleveland i would have never known a championship team...

…oh…uhm..oops…sorry…forgot where i was for a sec..:(

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by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me neither. I’m lucky to have not have suffered all these years, ha.

Ride on ye fearsome Horsemen of the Basketball Apocalypse. We got this.

by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why cause you live in D.C. now?? lol

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by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just dont understand a team's fan base

coming onto the opposing team’s blog and acting like a holes. Makes no sense. If you get a chance try to read the Orlando is dominating the Cavs hijacked thread.

by njnick on May 28, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I don’t get that either. I’ve been on these blogs for 3 years and I’ve never once went to another team’s site to talk trash. I guess I’m just not like some people.

by Buckeye Brad on May 28, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nick,

You’re a good egg, but I think it’s important to re-stress the point you’ve already made: This is not the majority of Magic fans. I haven’t been on Magic blogs, but I suspect there are some jerky Cleveland fans who make their way over there, too.

I just don’t understand the point these fans are trying to make. I mean, they’re winning the series, but that is apparently not good enough. They desire to rub salt in very raw wounds for fun. I can’t relate.

Cheers, and thanks for stopping by.

by tabler84 on May 28, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually no....most of the jerky fans are Lakers fans talking shit about Lebron and the Cavs...

…Cavs fans stick pretty much to home as far as that goes i guess…maybe cuz you guys have such a great blog here..:)

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, Ill never

forget the illogical Magic fan who argued that the Cavs were being dominated in this series. It overtook a thread and was irrational and pathetic. I

by njnick on May 28, 2009 3:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks....caught any big ones lately..??:)

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by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Magic in 5 0r 6 Stop already

You are what Young Drew Barrymore was speaking of in the Movie E.T. when she called her brother a penis breath…

Yeah like 2 years ago 20 years after seeing the movie It clicked that she called him a penis breath and what it meant.
LOL

I thought I was insufferbale

dam….

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by I blocked Patrick Chewing on May 28, 2009 5:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I become an expert simply by doing something.

by fwembt on May 28, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

mmmm POT Grrrrrrrmmmmmmmmm

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Turns out those same Homies Sit down to pee

by I blocked Patrick Chewing on May 28, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I ran into Skips AAU coach at the Walgreens in Ft Lauderdale, I did not believe him he called that man Skip right then and there

once again I was proven to be an ass…

Some people swear they down as can be
Turns out those same Homies Sit down to pee

by I blocked Patrick Chewing on May 28, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are....but only some of the time..:)

..usually after big wins…lol

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 6:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post Tabs!

It’s ironic that one of the Magic fans on this site is a reference to Patrick Ewing – I just can’t help but think about the 1985 NCAA basketball final. The Hoyas did not play poorly – they shot 55% from the field!!! But, how do you beat a team that shoots 78% from the field? Sometimes that’s just the way it goes.

The Cavs are not losing – they are just not winning… With all due respect to the Magic.

I don’t know – for some reason the Magic fans want to disrespect the success they are having. It’s not that they are shooting great and beating a great team – they are just playing normal basketball against an overrated team. Bizarre logic from many Magic fans…

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on May 28, 2009 6:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think alot of those fans ...not me...get that from the reagular season series(Yes i know..only 3 games, 2 in Orlando)...

…anyways…however small a sample size.( Ughhh..Brad has me talking like him now..lol) …the Magic showed to their fans at least…that they were clearly a good match for the Cavs if nothing else..and that the series would be more competitive …much more…than Cleveland’s first 2.

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 6:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Brad has me talking like him now

Hey, that’s not a bad thing, is it?

I am a math teacher, so it’s good to know that I’ve educated someone about statistics!

by Buckeye Brad on May 28, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh....to small a sample size to know yet...lol..:)

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 7:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That was for Brad on whether talking like him was a good thing or not...:)

…Engineering grad here…so it was more helped refresh than taught..:) 20 years is a long time since college…lol::P

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 28, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was an engineering student once, but I didn’t like it much so I switched to math then became a high school teacher. I wanted to make the big bucks, ya know!

by Buckeye Brad on May 28, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea..i got my degree in Engineering but ....

…i found the classes and class mates so boring i went into advertising and eventually started my own little company…hence all the free time..lol

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 29, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, how can I get in on that? I’ve always been interested in advertising!

Ride on ye fearsome Horsemen of the Basketball Apocalypse. We got this.

by Turkmenbashi on May 29, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blunts and Basketball

Good Luck guys see you in a couple

Yup I will show if we lose.

Some people swear they down as can be
Turns out those same Homies Sit down to pee

by I blocked Patrick Chewing on May 28, 2009 7:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post. There are parts of the hot shooting Magic that I do place blame on the Cavs for, mainly guarding Turk and Lewis with shorter players. It’s easy to make a higher percentage of shots when defenders are shorter, but also chasing constantly in a rotation after doubling inside. That said, your comments about Alston’s shooting and Howard’s foul shots are right on the money

Alston follows it up with a 1 for 10 performance.

by Roger Dorn on May 28, 2009 11:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I was worried though when he made the first one. Thankfully that’s where his luck ended.

I’d like to see where the Magic fans are who claimed that Alston would keep shooting like he did in Game 4.

by Buckeye Brad on May 28, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Game 6 is extremely important (obviously) because it’s probably Orlando’s best bet to close the series, with a hot shooting performance in front of the home crowd. I really hope Mike Brown decides to put Lebron on either Hedo or Rashard the whole game. It will take a massive effort to play that kind of defense and carry the team offensively, but it’s win or go home time

by Roger Dorn on May 28, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Turk actually plays better on the road....and it's not close either...

…hopefully he can buck that trend or at least not kills us with bad plays…

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 29, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really hope

No Orlando fans thought Alston would keep performing like he did…

Any Rockets fan can attest to that not happening.

Go Rockets.

by Rock Creator on May 29, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We didn't....

  we knew what we we’re getting when we got him….he’s average for a point guard i would say…better defensively than offensively obviously…a little shot happy and showboaty sometimes…..but overall he’s been a great pickup and hasn’t hurt too bad so far…especially considering the alternative was playing Anthony “Dad” Johnson 40 minutes a game..lol. Considering we basically got him for nothing at the virtually the last minute of the trade deadline…it was probably the deal of the year!!

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 29, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't one of those....

f…rankly i’m just hoping he’s go back to his 4-10, 1-3 behind the arc for Game 6. I wish Stan would just start Turk, Lee, Pietrus , Lewis , and Dwight….thats been our best lineup by far….didn’t see them together much in the 4th…thought that was a bad move on Stan’s part
.

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 29, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who can play the point in that lineup — Lee? Has he done that much for Orlando this year?

by Buckeye Brad on May 29, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Turk runs the point in that lineup...

..Lee plays the shooting guard but guards the PG….Pietrus plays the SF on offense but either him or Turk may take turns guarding LeBrawn..lol..my new nickname for him…:)

"if you're going to cry...go cry to your mama"

by MagikFanatic on May 29, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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