Shaq: Revisited?
Its amazing, the life of a rumor. At 8:30 this morning, it sounded like it had already happened. At 10:00, it was close to happening. Now after 11:00, the teams haven't talked in days. This, of course, means by 2:00, Danny Ferry will have no knowledge of any player even named Shaquille and will make an off-color remark about the name itself.
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I don’t think Shaquille O’Neil tops the list of priorities this offseason, but I also don’t think he’s that far down the list and in my oppinion his acquisition is the most likely to actualy happen.
He was 10.7 wins above replacement last season, still an offensive threat in the post and the boards, and the big bodied defensive presence that can handle the other bigs in the league.
Now if he picked up O’Neal, couple him with Z and we have two slow footed centers. If Andy leaves we are going to have to get someone else that can play the center position against small quick lineups that are more prevelent in the league. Also both Z and O’Neal should have their minutes kept down during the season.
I'd like to see one of the two come off the bench
I could see Z agreeing to it, as he seems to be a great ‘organizational’ guy. Imagine having a post-scoring thread like him coming off the bench and limiting his minutes.
Shaq needs a few days off and suddenly we have another former All-Star center to slot in and start.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 14, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
If the Cavs did aquire Shaq then either him or Z would have to come off the bench. There is no way the Cavs could have both in the starting lineup.
by Buckeye Brad on Jun 14, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
and the big bodied defensive presence that can handle the other bigs in the league.
That seems like the big thing here that makes this deal more likely to happen now than earlier in the season. The Cavs though they could scrape by some teams with talented bigs with Wallace, Z, and Varejao, but that is obviously not the case. This would be an interesting deal to take place to solve that issue.
Brian Windhorst gives his thoughts about this speculation today. He acknowledges that there have been talks but says that any deal is still far away. He think that Phoenix may look for a better deal out there than the Cavs could offer (which would mostly be a salary dump and not a talent acquisition).
One interesting note from Brian is that one of the sticking points to a possible deal for Shaq in February was the Suns’ interest in Delonte West, who is nearly untouchable for the Cavs right now. That’s the first time I’ve heard about this.
a possible deal for Shaq in February was the Suns’ interest in Delonte West
I think trading Delonte would be a big mistake, unless we replaced him by signing Artest. Though, I have not really looked at our cap at all, nor have any idea how much Artest will ask for. So I don’t know where that’d leave us.
When you get Ron Artest
You better know exactly what you’re signing up for. I think he is a terrible fit with Cleveland IMo.
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I was only suggesting signing Artest as a last result for replacing Delonte (if we lost him in a trade). He’d obviously match Delonte’s perimeter one on one defense. Personality wise, I do think he’s attempting to improve, but there’s no doubt it can possibly present an issue.
Ultimately, I’d prefer to keep Delonte, and only accept a Shaq trade if it were Z and Sasha.
Artest isn't a SG
He’s a SF/PF hybrid. And, he needs the ball offensively to be effective. He does not play off the ball at all.
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I’ve always that of him as more of a Guard-Forward, but I have not looked at his potential role on the Cavs very extensively. Again, I was just throwing the idea out there to replace the one-on-one defensive ability of Delonte. I’m no expert on Ron Artest’s other details though. I think you more about him than I do.
In the long run, I trust Danny Ferry and Mike Brown will make the right decisions this off-season, whatever they end up being.
Trust me
I know a whole hell of a lot more about his game than anybody here. Watching him for 2 1/2 years tends to do that for you. As talented as he is, I don’t see how he has a role with LeBron on this team. Unless the Cavs have decided they’re going to give Ron a lot of touches. It could work, but I don’t see it. Then again, I don’t think Shaq will work either. We’ll see.
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You are only talking offensively though. Ron is one of the best swingman defenders in the league. He has the height necessary to defend players like Rashard Lewis and Turkoglu that the Cavs lacked againt the Magic. Daryl Morey knows what he is doing in Houston, there is a reason he became a Rocket
And Geoff Petrie knows what he's doing as well
You can try to swing this whatever way you wish. Either the Cavs would play Artest at the 4, or they won’t.
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Delonte is part of the problem
One on one defense? Against who? Other point guards? West is a poor choice as a defensive SG, he can’t guard bigger guards. And he’ll never be able to guard Kobe Bryant.
This is a ridiculous statement. Delonte West is the best perimeter defender on the team.
And let me ask you . . . how many guards in the NBA can guard Kobe by themselves? 3? 4? That’s a ridiculously high standard.
by Buckeye Brad on Jun 15, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
he guarded hedo rather admirably. 39% shooting for hedo in the 6 games, during most of which he was covered by west.
by DontCallMeJoey on Jun 15, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
And he’ll never be able to guard Kobe Bryant.
This is just drivel. The measure of a players ability to play defense is not limited to playing against one player.
And further why wouldn’t our best defender (Lebron) play on Kobe?
Foul Trouble and the energy it would take
It would wear LeBron down.
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I read something from one of Marc Spears tidbits today
Talking about how Gilbert is blaming people within the organization for not making any team altering deals. (Seems to me if that is the case, which we don’t know if it is or isn’t, hindsight is 20/20.)
The short 15 word blurb is at the bottom.
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This is rumor at this point
and not worthy of front page news.
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Part of me wants to this happen tomorrow just for the shock factor.
I’m the kind of person that wants instant satisfaction, very impatient. I’d love to wake up in the morning and read…
BREAKING NEWS: Shaq officially to Cavs
Then again, I assume this would eliminate all hope for acquiring Charlie Villanueva, whose younger and another bright prospect.
Brian Windhorst goes through the pros and cons of trading for Shaq in his blog today. I don’t think this trade would be a slam-dunk, huge upgrade, but I think it would make them better and add another dimension to the team. I’d like to see Ferry continue to shop around and see what other trades they could make. I’d rather have a younger player, even if he doesn’t have the name recognition of Shaq, who could be with the Cavs for longer and possibly be on the upside instead of the downside of his career, but there may not be a player like that available. I think that a guy like Charlie Villanueva would help the Cavs more than Shaq would, but I don’t know what he would cost. And of course getting Bosh would be fantastic but the Cavs don’t have the players to make that trade.
unless ferry is able to pull a rabbit out of a hat and orchestrate a gasol-to-the-lakers kind of a deal, then we’re not going to be able to add a younger, on-the-upswing difference maker this season. the FA crop is weak as hell (maybe brandon bass? but that ain’t exactly a game-changer, and villa is both a restricted free agent and, i believe, overrated by many here), and we all know that our trading chips aren’t quite robust at this stage.
the shaq deal is the best deal that this team can make for a couple of reasons: 1. it does improve the team, both offensively and defensively. 25 minutes of shaq and 20 minutes of z (off the bench) is a pretty strong center rotation; 2. it’s a one-year rental that gives the cavs another legit shot at a ring in ’10, while freeing up a ton of cap space for a young up and comer (bosh) in the loaded FA class of summer of ’10.
i think this is a great deal. do it.
by DontCallMeJoey on Jun 15, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I think you are right...
This might be the best “salary dump deal” we can expect to find. I have heard of a proposed Tyson Chandler and David West salary dumper that might be better but who knows? This makes us “better” and, after all is said and done, thats the name of the game. Yes. There are risks but Shaq may have enough gas to push us over the top. I say “pull the trigger”.
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i just heard on the radio that shaq will be looking for a 2-year extension as a part of any move. that squashes this deal for me…no way i’m willing to commit to the diesel until he’s 40. if the extension piece is true, let’s hear what’s next.
chandler and west is interesting. if chris paul can make david west an all-star, LeBron may turn him into a top-50 of all time…
by DontCallMeJoey on Jun 15, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
can you link to something that talks about the chandler/david west thing?
by DontCallMeJoey on Jun 15, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
There is an article from The News-Herald
From May 11th discussing several things regarding the Cavs off-season, including a possible Hornets trade:
Sources say the Hornets are like a house of cards and could tumble at any time.
Sources say everyone on the Hornets’ roster is available except Paul and power forward David West. The Cavs could have interest in 7-foot-1 center Tyson Chandler, who has had some ankle and toe problems. But he’s only 26. That’s one to keep your eye on.
O’Neal reportedly has some demands. He would like a two-year contract extension, and assurance that James will remain with the Cavaliers for at least the next three seasons.
Lifted this quote from Chris Broussard’s piece about the potential Shaq to Cleveland trade.
If so, than this puts a bit of pressure on James to negotiate an extension this summer. Could be just a rumor, but interesting none the less…
by hans on Jun 16, 2009 4:54 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for the link.
But with that being the case, I think the next couple sentences of that paragraph sum up how I feel:
O’Neal is hardly in position to make such demands, and neither James nor the Cavs are likely to make him any promises. The Cavaliers could be in position to have a significant amount of cap space to pursue free agents such as Chris Bosh in 2010 and they are not going to give that up for O’Neal.
That's how anybody in their right mind would feel
Shaq is no position to demand a 2 year extension.
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