Bucks decide to set Charlie Villanueva free

by John Bena (aka CavsBlogger) on Jun 29, 2009 4:30 PM CDT in Fear The Rumor Mill Comment 68 comments

One name that has been tied to the Cavaliers since the end of the season as a possible free agent acquisition has officially been given the opportunity to sign with any team he'd like. Former Buck PF Charlie Villanueva was set free by Milwaukee earlier today when the Bucks decided against offering CV31 a qualifying offer.

Villanueva, who has made quite a name for himself on Twitter, has been keeping fans up to date with himself, and what he is thinking heading into free agency.

For instance, when the Cavaliers acquired Shaquille O'neal from Phoenix last week, Villanueva seemed intrigued by the possibilites -

well, twitterland like I said there will be more trades to come, very interesting, Shaq to Cleveland, nice, all Cleveland need is a PF now

Villanueva also took to opportunity to let Cleveland fans know that their warm-wishes are appreciated -

Cleveland fans are showing me mad love on twitter, appreciate the love

Now the big question becomes whether or not the Cavaliers can afford Villanueva. Depending on Anderson Varejao, the Cavaliers will likely have their mid-level exemption, starting at around $5.8 million. It remains to be seen if that would be enough to get Villanueva in a Wine and Gold uniform.

Stay tuned!

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yes

this Is what the cavs need

by tarley on Jun 29, 2009 5:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Most lopsided vote I have ever seen on SBN

by Roger Dorn on Jun 29, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i’m not that high on villa, but a very quick check shows me that villa made $2.715mm in 07-08, and that the bucks’ qualifying offer for 09-10 would have been $4.6mm (can’t find his 08-09 #, but i didn’t look very hard).

i don’t have a great feel for what a deal for this guy would look like, but in 08-09 he averaged 16 and 7 in 27mpg, started 47 games, had a PER of 18.6, and 2.7/4.9 DWS/WS. varejao’s PER was 14.6, as a comparison, and people have talked about $8-10mm/year for him.

i do believe that AV and villa are mutually exclusive, though. i don’t think both of them are cavs next year.

by DontCallMeJoey on Jun 29, 2009 5:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

windhorst on cavs chasing villa. if he can be had for the MLE, i’m all for it. if AV opts out, and the options are AV at $9mm or CV at $6-7mm? gimme CV, even w/ the fall off in defense.

if you sign only one of these guys, and it’s for less than about $9mm, you can still get a bosh-type next summer.

by DontCallMeJoey on Jun 29, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

For next summer, the Cavs have 18.8 mill on the books already. Hickson is probably another 1.5, Green will cost about another .5 with a rookie minimum salary. We’ll say not only do you not pay 9 mill, you only pay 6 (MLE will be about 5.8, Varejao’s option is 6.2). Both Lebron and Bosh will be able to get 30% of the total salary cap, and will want ever last penny of that. To get both of them that, the cap would have to be at 67 million. It took 3 years to make as big of a jump as it would need to take, in a much better economy. There is no signing a max-guy next summer.

by 7foot3 on Jun 29, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And I forgot to exclude cap holds for having fewer than 12 guys on the roster.

by 7foot3 on Jun 29, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am not super savvy on the NBA salary rules, but can’t Gilbert pretty much spend as much money as he wants with the only penalty being that he has to pay a tax in the exact amount he is over the cap?

So if the cap is 60 million and the Cavs’ payroll is 67 million as you calculated above, then Gilbert just pays another 7 million to the NBA?

Wouldn’t he do this to keep LeBron and build a championship team?

by rufio on Jun 29, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you can spend in excess of the cap to retain your own free agents, but not someone else’s. that’s what people refer to as bird rights. so, for example, if the cavs’s payroll were $1 under the salary cap next summer, counting LeBron’s $15.8mm for 09/10, then they could still sign LeBron to a max deal, which would take them well over the cap. on the other hand, they can’t sign chris bosh to a max deal, in the same scenario, b/c we don’t retain his bird rights.

now a sign-and trade for bosh would work in the scenario above, within the limits of the 120% salary exchange provisions (the salaries that i ship out have to be at most 120% of the salaries i take in in a trade, and vice versa).

does that make sense?

by DontCallMeJoey on Jun 29, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Absolutely, thanks for clarifying that.

So with all of that considered, we probably can’t land Andy and CV now (for the amounts of money/years they will probably command on the open market), retain LeBron and also land Bosh in 2010?

by rufio on Jun 30, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

incorrect. you forget LeBron’s bird rights. for the purposes of calculating the 2010 cap and the impact that LeBron would have on it, you have to use the $15.8mm he’ll make next year.

by DontCallMeJoey on Jun 29, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, Lebron’s cap hold will be 30% of the 2010/11 cap. Players making at least the average salary have a cap hold of up to 150% of their previous salary, not to exceed the player’s maximum salary, which for a 7 year vet, is 30% of the cap. His cap hold will be exactly what he’ll eventually sign for.

We can count again, this time including all the cap holds. 21 million for guys under contract – Williams, West, Gibson, Jackson, Hickson, Green. Lebron’s cap hold/signing will be between 17 and 18 mill. You have to fill out 12 total spots, the rest with minimum salaries of about 500k. Eyenga may have a cap hold as well, costing you a little bit more. We’re up to 41 mill. To get Bosh, the cap would have to be at 58.6 mill. That means that the cap can’t go down (which is projected as of today), and that the owners don’t best the players (something they’ve easily been able to do in a favorable economy) again in the CBA re-negotiation. And you can’t add any contracts today that go longer than one year.

by 7foot3 on Jun 29, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

To put it into the least CBA-savvy terms possible: The Cavs need to get lucky that that the NBA finds more money than they’re expecting to, and even then, they’re going to have to cut deep to find the room to sign Bosh – as in Darnell Jackson would be the best option at the 5 the day that Bosh is signed.

by 7foot3 on Jun 29, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Since both Lebron and Bosh will be free agents, couldn’t we sign Bosh first, then use the Bird rights to go well over the cap with Lebron? Or do I misunderstand how the Bird rule works?

by Chemo on Jun 30, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think that would be the strategy provided there is enough room to first sign Bosh

by Roger Dorn on Jun 30, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lebron has a cap hold until we re-sign him or renounce him (which gives up our Bird rights for him), that will be equal to what he signs for. So, no we can’t do that.

And all of this assumes we renounce Shaq and Z, the only two 5’s that we have that deserve to be in the rotation.

by 7foot3 on Jun 30, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i’m still not sure you’re right. my contention remains that until he signs, his hold is the $15.8. i’m looking more…the language that i’ve seen is ambiguous at best. i’ll let you know what i find.

by DontCallMeJoey on Jun 30, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here’s a link

There’s really very few ways a player’s cap hold can be less than what he would make if he re-signed. And that makes perfect sense, as it forces teams to sign their own players before they go after another team’s rosters.

by 7foot3 on Jun 30, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Need?

Is this a need for the Cavs? Well, it all depends on what the goal is. Say, their goal is to keep LeBron past this season into his prime. Yes. What Villanueva does, is give LeBron a legitimate big man, with large potential. LeBron can open up so many more oppurtunities to CV. This will give the Cavs a solid, but not dominate, 1-2 punch, which would most likely keep LeBron in Cleveland. Now if that isn’t what the Cavs goal is, I’m pretty sure what they are looking for starts with an “L” and ends with an “-arry O’Brien trophy”. So do they need CV31 to get that? I say, yes! This is what they need to lift them to the Finals. Think about playing against this in the finals right now; LeBron, Shaq, Z, CV, Mo, & Delonte. Those 6 are pretty intimidating, even for me as a Laker fan. Cavaliers need to find a way to make this signing happen to lock up LeBron & get a better upgrade to compete against the C’s & Magic. But I sure hope this doesn’t happen.

OG_03

by OG_03 on Jun 29, 2009 5:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

CV to the Cavs?

I think that CV to the Cavs would be more intrigueing if the Cavs weren’t in the hunt for a championship this upcoming season. The Cavs need a playoff tested big man who knows what it takes to win, and knows how to play good defense consistently. CV is a very talented player, and with his youth on his side, there’s plenty of time for him to become great. but if the Cavs are to win now, they need a big man committed to playing defense first, with the understanding that the shots will be there for him. Is CV that kind of player? Can he bring the same energy, enthusiasm, and intensity as Andy? And do it night in, night out like Andy? The jury is out on this deal.

"The beatings will continue until moral is raised"

by Bonepicker1 on Jun 29, 2009 6:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The Cavs need a playoff tested big man who knows what it takes to win

I’m sorry, but this is a load of crap. What do you mean a players who “knows what it takes to win”? Winning comes from playing with good teammates, it’s not an inherent trait that someone possesses. Now, you can certainly argue that he’s not good enough defensively, and that’s a discussion to have, but don’t say he needs to be “playoff tested”. Plenty of players have won championships during their first trip to the playoffs.

by Buckeye Brad on Jun 29, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You know, players who know how to win, like Adam Morrison, Sun Yue, and Didier Llung-Mbenga. All those guys have rings if the Cavs knew how to win like those players they’d be champions.

by Cols714 on Jun 29, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mo Williams knew how to win?

Some people swear they down as can be
Turns out those same Homies Sit down to pee

by I blocked Patrick Chewing on Jun 30, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Purple sunshine television applesauce?

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Jun 30, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dude, there is no such thing as a player who “knows how to win”. That’s just crap sportswriters write for idiot fans. We don’t use that kind of language here; we try to talk intelligently about basketball.

by Buckeye Brad on Jun 30, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m telling you, Derek Fisher knows how to win. Sign him and you’ve got the championship in the bag.

by Cols714 on Jul 1, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Great point. Sign him and Robert Horry and the Cavs can’t possibly lose. With their “winning mentality” you wouldn’t even need a coach; they would just will the team to victory.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 1, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Andy

Now I know I more than likely go against the grain here, but worrying about signing AV over CV is a bit insane. Andy is a liability on the foul line, which we all know is where close games are won. CV, 83% last season, AV, 62%. I know he brings energy, but you can’t make plays when you are lying on your back half the game. I know he gets a call from time to time, but that’s it. The rest of the time he’s sprawling on the floor. I wouldn’t mind keeping him for energy, but not at the cost to sign a legit scorer who can shoot free throws. Plus, with everyone on the team’s playoff experience, and Shaq’s four rings, I’m pretty sure he can get through the playoffs with these guys. It’s not as if he has to carry the team, then there would be a point there.

by sether1 on Jun 29, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you seriously think free throws were a big culprit in the cavs’ untimely demise this year? really?

by DontCallMeJoey on Jun 29, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think missed free throws are always the culprit! Well, usually, and in at least of few of the Cavs losses. Lebron missed 5 in the fourth quarter of one of the close games they lost. So yes, I think free throws are huge. With Andy I’m thinking more Celtics, last year. Doc Rivers went to hack an AV. If the game was close, every time Andy got the ball, he was on the line. It was a great little coaching move that went fairly unnoticed. It usually started with about 4 or so minutes left and it cost them that series. So yes, Andy and his flopping can be a 7th man, or hit the road. Give me a scorer and a 80% ft shooter anyday of the week.

by sether1 on Jun 30, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And to prove my foul shooting point a bit more.

Game one, loss, Cavs 70% Magic 86%.
Game 2, win, Cavs 80% Magic 68%.
Game 3, loss, Cavs 74% Magic 77%.
Game 5, win, Cavs 80% Magic 68%.
Game 6, loss, Cavs 50% Magic 81%.
With game 4, the Magic should have won it easily, but they went cold on the line and barely eeked it out in OT, Cavs 83% Magic 70%.
When the winner of 5 of the 6 games is the team who shoots better FT%, I’d say that’s pretty good evidence that foul shooting wins close games.

by sether1 on Jul 1, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

OK, but how much of that was Varejao’s fault?

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 1, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he’s a 60% ft shooter, so every time he’s on the line late in the game, he’s a liability. cv is an 80% ft shooter. who would you rather foul as an opposing coach? i think av went 4-7 against the magic. so not too much of it. with av i’m thinking more back to the celtics last year. 6-14 in the series, including a 2-6 in game 5, where the cavs shot 68% from the line and lost by 7. They were putting Andy on the line late, and it made a huge difference in the outcome. if i remember correctly, he missed 4 in a row in the last 2 minutes. i’m still not blaming him, i’d just rather add guys who can make ft, especially with shaq on the team now. late in the game, you don’t need 2 inept ft shooters, a la ben wallace and av.

by sether1 on Jul 1, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and if Dwight Howard

shoots his career ft% in the series, the cavs probably only lose 1 game.

by sether1 on Jul 1, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

OK, but the point is that there are many other facets of their games to look at besides just free throw shooting. CV may be better on the free throw line, but how many more points is he going to give up defensively?

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 1, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Defense is way easier to instill into a NBA player than foul shooting. Shaq is a perfect example once again. The coaches will spend all the time in the world with CV on D, but obviously spend very little time with AV on foul shooting. I think it’s fair to say most teams don’t spend a ton of time on ft. It is something the individual goes out and practices. I remember seeing something before the season, there are only 2 or 3 teams with actual “foul shooting” coaches. As for the extra 6-10 he gives up a game, he scores that much more than Andy. I guess as a Cleveland sports fan I get sick of the “young guy with talent waiting for his breakout year” and the breakout year never happens. Andy is a dime a dozen player and more than likely wouldn’t start on most playoff teams. If he is not playing with a superstar, he will be exposed for the 7th man he is. Like I said, I like him, just not at $10+million and a starter. You can have Turk for the same money, or CV for half that and get much more production.

by sether1 on Jul 1, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is Andy really going to command 10+ million this year? And CV half that?

Geez, seems like a no-brainer to me.

by rufio on Jul 1, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Andy’s NOT getting 10 million a year, I can guarentee you that.

Supposedly the Pistons want to offer CV $7-8 million a year. The Cavs can only offer him the mid-level exception which is about $5 million.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 1, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ESPN reporting that CV signed with Detroit for 35mil over 5 years.

by rufio on Jul 1, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Now ESPN is reporting $40 million for 5 years.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 1, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think Andy is a “young guy with talent waiting for a breakout year”, I think he is what he is. He isn’t a great offensive player and he never will be, but he’s made improvements in that area. And he seems to work well with LeBron on things like pick-and-rolls. He’s definitely not a “dime-a-dozen” player; he plays well defensively and does all the little things that don’t show up in the box score (I’m usually not a big “intangibles” guy, but he does things that you can’t see in the stats). He can be a good starter on a team with other guys who can score, kind of like a Shane Battier-type player. No, he’s not a great player, but you can certainly win a championship with him as your starting PF.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 1, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Looks like we won’t have much choice!

by sether1 on Jul 2, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That shows correlation, not causality.

I think looking at free throws missed vs. win-margin might be better. For example, if we missed 12 free throws and lost by 4 points, you can absolutely say if we made more FTs, we would have won.

You point would become even more potent if AV missed 4+ of those FTs.

by rufio on Jul 1, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am not saying AV lost games, he never really gets to the line too much, but when he does, he misses. And it tends to be late in the fourth when he gets to the line. That’s all.

by sether1 on Jul 2, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it tends to be late in the fourth when he gets to the line

that sounds made up. and to all of your earlier comments, FT shooting is clearly important, but if the cavs had shot better from the field in those ORL games, your FT angle falls apart. FTs are never the primary issue.

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 2, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would have to do a bit of research on it to see when he gets to the line. When watching the games, it always feels like it’s in the 4th when he, or Big Ben is on the line. As for the field, to an extent I agree, but in reality, no matter how you cut it, you put a team away or let them hang around on the FT line. And in close games like the Magic series was, the game will almost always be won by the team who is shooting better from the line, especially , obviously, late in the game. In blowouts, the winning team always gets to the line more (a la late fouls) and their percentage tends to be a bit lower because of that. Just look at the Celtics series last year to see that. The blowout games, the winner had the lower FT%, and the close games, the winner had the higher FT%. I guess what I’ve been saying is: Give me a clutch free throw shooter over a slightly above average defender any day of the week. They may not be the NBA players “primary” issue, or the Cavs, but I can reverse what you said simply: If the Cavs would have shot better from the FT line, we wouldn’t even be talking about this.

by sether1 on Jul 4, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

When watching the games, it always feels like it’s in the 4th when he, or Big Ben is on the line.

That’s called confirmation bias. You think Varejao always gets to line in the 4th quarter so you remember when it happens and ignore when it doesn’t (not you specifically, by the way, because everybody does it). That’s why it’s usually ineffective to go by memory because those moments stand out in your memory better than others do. I’m guessing that if you looked at the stats Varejao doesn’t go to the line in the fourth quarter more often than other Cavs players (relative to their playing time, of course).

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 4, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with you on the memory thing. He really doesn’t shoot too many free throws, and he’s still not very good at it.

by sether1 on Jul 5, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Paul Pierce and Ray Allen “know how to win”.

Lot of good that did them this year.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Jun 30, 2009 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I believe Pierce and Allen suffered the same fate as you.

The Magic.

Some people swear they down as can be
Turns out those same Homies Sit down to pee

by I blocked Patrick Chewing on Jun 30, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly his point — they didn’t win.

by Buckeye Brad on Jun 30, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t have a great handle on how much we have to spend this summer, but assuming we resign all our guys don’t we only have the mid-level exception right now? Because as much as I’d like to see CV in wine & gold, I’d much rather have a great perimiter defender instead. Give me Artest instead, adds some toughness and some much needed D.

by Go Cavs! on Jun 29, 2009 11:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

God bless twitter. I’ve finally found a use for it as I never knew how to showcase my “mad love” before.

by gahnki on Jun 30, 2009 12:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

if we get CV and let Andy go...

And get absolutely nobody and/or move anyone else, our starting five looks pretty awesome next year…

PG- Mo Williams
SG- Delonte West
SF- LeBron James
PF- CV
C- Shaq

And Z coming off the bench would pose a big problem for most teams backup centers. I think Green is going to surprise a lot of people, will be even better than anticipated. If Gibson can get his shot back, he can be nice off the bench.

I don’t actually think we’d stop if we got CV though. We’d just need a few more solid pieces off the bench and we’d be set to beat Orlando.

Things are looking promising…once again..sigh lol

by Mark23 on Jun 30, 2009 1:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yes I can not wait to see West guard Carter.

Some people swear they down as can be
Turns out those same Homies Sit down to pee

by I blocked Patrick Chewing on Jun 30, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

OK, who else ya got? The Magic, IMO, will be a far weaker team next year if you lose Turk and only add Carter.

Ride on ye fearsome Horsemen of the Basketball Apocalypse. We got this.

by Turkmenbashi on Jun 30, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

lose turk, lee, alston, and potentially gortat…and only add carter.

by DontCallMeJoey on Jun 30, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can’t wait for Carter to take entire weeks off before deciding to try on a nationally televised game

by Roger Dorn on Jun 30, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Carter doesn’t know how to win

by rufio on Jun 30, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Carter had a pretty awful .449 TS% against the Cavs wingmen last year.

by 7foot3 on Jun 30, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it will be a sight to behold. west has a much better chance at guarding him than he did hedo, whom west held to 39% shooting in the ECF.

by the way…you’ve said elsewhere that you hate the carter deal…you off your meds again??!!

by DontCallMeJoey on Jun 30, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

POWDER!

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Jun 30, 2009 7:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I prefer Rasheed Wallace.

by oxforddave on Jun 30, 2009 8:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Guards...

I still think we need a guard with some length more than we need a mobile big.

Just like Pat Chewing said…..

“Yes I can not wait to see West guard Carter. "

I just saw that the Pacers are letting Marquis Daniels go. He’s good for 12ppg and a solid defender. We could probably sign him for the mid-level exception. What do you think of him???

I eat, drink, sleep Cavs.

Then drop the Browns off at the Super Bowl.

by zdub1983 on Jun 30, 2009 9:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

he is awful.

next.

by DontCallMeJoey on Jun 30, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think against the magic lebron will be on vince,

by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can't wait to see Gortat guard Z

Wait….Gortat’s going to be gone cuz Orlando’s broke.

Maybe Hedo too, then Lebron will be guarding the artist formerly known as Vincanity.

I eat, drink, sleep Cavs.

Then drop the Browns off at the Super Bowl.

by zdub1983 on Jun 30, 2009 9:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

im not worried about the magic, theyre already done, they wont even be in the top 4 in the ecf, bulls and heat will be 3rd and 4th, and magic will compete with atlanta for 5th and 6th, they strangled themselves since the season finished with the bonehead vc trade, traded a number of good role players for vc, an over the hill declining star with suspect knees, now because both rashard and vc are dramaticlly overpaid deep into 8 figures along with dwights salary, they are pretty much at the salary cap with a roster of….8, meaning everyone has to play heavy minutes, as a result i dont see vince or lewis playing more than 60 games, they will start well but limp into the finals and lose in the 1st or 2nd round, cavs v boston in the ecf, cavs v lakers in the finals

by CavsLebronFan on Jun 30, 2009 11:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

ESPN is reporting that Villanueva has agreed to a contract with the Detroit PIstons for 5 years, $40 million. The Pistons have also agreed to terms with Ben Gordon for 5 years, $55 million. So Detroit was able to offer CV more money than the Cavs could and he took it, not surprisingly. This puts added pressure on the Cavs to resign Varejao.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 1, 2009 7:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs