The Worm Has Turned

by BrownsCavaliersIndiansForev on Jun 7, 2009 10:27 PM CDT

The unbelievably great luck that the Magic had against the Cavaliers has been replaced by unbelievably bad luck against the Lakers. Bouncing balls and referee calls, previously going in favor of Magic are now going against them.

And Pietrus fouling out really seemed to hurt the Magic in Overtime. And that loose ball foul on Howard? If the refs had called the same thing when Delonte West was shoved by Howard as West pursued that errant rebound, the Cavaliers would be playing the Lakers in the finals.

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The Cavaliers-Magic series went to 6 games a couple loose ball fouls aren’t enough to put the Cavaliers over the Magic. The Cavs were the better teams I admit that, but they didn’t show up, it’s erroneous to blame the refs when you possess the greatest magnet of errant calls, Lebron James.

Don’t regard the Magic’s win over Cleveland as mere “unbelievable luck” the Cavs didn’t match up well against the Magic at all, and Brown was outcoached by the typically eratic Stan Van Gundy. The reason the Cavs lost are exactly opposite for the Lakers, they matchup great with all the guys that gave Cleveland trouble, and they have the greatest mind in the game in Phil Jackson. You can play the if game all day long, but the fact is they got outplayed and outcoached throughout the series.

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by detpistons3 on Jun 7, 2009 10:41 PM CDT reply actions

I would not discount the "good fortune" the Magic had that series.

Starting with the fact the Cavs had not played in over a week before game one. Plus, a stop here, a basket there, a bounce here, etc. and the Magic could have lost the series just as easily. The Cavs may have been out-played and to a certain extent, out-coached, but it still could have gone either way.

So I told her," I'll be nicer if you try to be smarter!'..That was a mistake.

by Juannieboy on Jun 8, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions

no way you can put it on loose ball fouls, and it’s ridiculous to say that LeBron is a magnet of erroneous calls. that’s just silly. as for luck, i won’t call it that, but the magic were historically hot in this series. let’s not ignore that.

but, as we’ve said here ad nauseum, if 2 plays go differently in this series, out of the hundreds of plays that were contested (and let’s assume that every other play went exactly the same), the cavs win 4-1. if delonte west hits that 3 from the corner in game 1, and if he manages to corral that rebound w/ 6 seconds left in game 5, the magic are fishing.

and then are we talking about the cavs getting outcoached and outplayed? i actually tend to agree w/ the outcoached, but it wasn’t exactly a wide margin.

by DontCallMeJoey on Jun 8, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions

errant fouls

and here I thought Manu Ginobli sucked those all up

by North Coast Flea on Jun 16, 2009 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions

I just posted this in the other thread, but it seems more likely that people will read it here. Are the Lakers playing Howard any differently than the Cavs did? Or is he, like their outside shooters, just finally reverting to the norm?

by Chemo on Jun 8, 2009 12:36 PM CDT reply actions

admittedly, i’ve watched very limited action in these finals, so take this w/ a grain of salt…but it appears to me that the lakers are sending a double-team pretty often, and that the shooters are now missing more often than they did against the cavs.

by DontCallMeJoey on Jun 8, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions

Hmmmm.

I think its fairly apparent that Gasol and Bynum are tougher for Howard to manhandle than Ben Wallace and Andy V were. Look, through 2 games he has just one dunk! Seems like he a had a dozen every game against us.

LA has better personel and the results show. I don’t think we are going to see any 40 point games from “bonecrusher” this series. He’s getting alot of boards but, he’s just a one trick pony so far.

So I told her," I'll be nicer if you try to be smarter!'..That was a mistake.

by Juannieboy on Jun 8, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions

Variance is a cold mistress.

by gahnki on Jun 8, 2009 7:25 PM CDT reply actions

Magic Went Down Easy

Honestly, after seeing the way the Magic played against the Celtics and Cavaliers, I thought they would win more than one game against the Lakers. But the lucky breaks and close calls really turned around, and in the end, the Magic went down easy.

by BrownsCavaliersIndiansForev on Jun 14, 2009 9:57 PM CDT reply actions

Going to OT twice in the series is easy?

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by pookeyguru on Jun 15, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions