Possible Off-Season Moves
Why have we just gone after a free agent wing man? Danny Ferry is moving too slow. For what reason can the Cavaliers trade Z? Here are just some thoughts...
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Use your MLE to bring in Paul Millsap, David Lee or Channing Frye...
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/paul_millsap/index.html
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/david_lee/index.html
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/channing_frye/index.html
----- We need a post presence to go along with Shaq. This leaves the Cavs with some sort athleticism in the post which is something that Z doesn't give them. You might not be able to get Millsap through an MLE, but you might through a sign-and-trade involving Z and a future first round draft pick. We might have to take on some of Utah's Salary Cap trash like Kosta Koufos. We don't really use our first-rounders very productively (LeBron being the shining exception). So wht not give next year's to the Jazz and get Millsap. They would drool over Z's expiring contract.
Trade Z...
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/zydrunas_ilgauskas/index.html
---- This move makes sense. He is probably the worst valued player on the Cavaliers at the moment. He is a center without a post presence. What good is that? He has expiring contract and we could do some damage with that. We could get Andres Nocioni. He's a tough defensive forward, but can play dirty at times. That can be controlled though, with right surroundings. Stephen Jackson is also a tough-minded defensive player that has a contract to take. He would fill the SG spot.
Re-sign Varejao...
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/anderson_varejao/index.html
---- Just give like $8.5 million per year for like three years. We are gonna have plenty of cap room next year.
Go after Will Bynum...
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/will_bynum/index.html
---- This guy hasn't gotten any noise since free agency started. Why not? He gave us some trouble in the 1st Round of the playoffs last year. He's solid defensively and is quick to the basket. He could be a great 6th man on our team. We could probably get him for like a couple million per year on a short contract.
A possible lineup could be...
PG Mo Williams (Daniel Gibson)
SG Delonte West (Will Bynum)
SF LeBron James (Danny Green)
PF Paul Millsap (Darnell Jackson)
C Shaquille O'Neal (Anderson Varejao)
I am comfortable with that line-up... Danny Ferry needs to get a move on or he can just move out. This upcoming season is going to be a factor whether he will be here next year. I hope he makes another move in free agency in some manner, or Lebron might not be here next season.
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Thanks Hedo
He hurt us in the playoff bad but for him turning his back on Portland and signing with Toronto we can pursue Parker and Marion freely. As the markets clear there are less teams that are willing to spend their MLE to sign guys our options actually are increasing. Sure we didn’t get Artest (did we really want that headache) or Ariza but Marion, Parker and Linas Kleiza are better options for this team in my opinon. Kleiza would look good in a Cavs uniform. How many threes did Damon Jones hit with the Heat when he had Shaq. Mo Williams, Delonte and Kleiza would really create problems for defenses trying to stop Lebron and Shaq.
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by E5 on Jul 4, 2009 11:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Possible off season moves
I am going to be completely honest with you… The Cavs will NOT trade Z. Not saying that it would be a bad move on thier behalf, but I assure you that his loyalty and contribution to this franchise does not go overlooked and he will be able to retire a Cav. He is still serviceable. The only problem he had was against Howard. In the first two rounds he wss very good and in the regular season as well. Next, Utah will NOT trade Millsap because of the uncertain status of Boozer. You have to figure why whould they sign and trade for Z who would not be able to play anything but 15 min per game on that team. Lee is out of the question b/c NY wil match that MLE offer. Frye could be had but he plays too soft and is not very agressive. I would prefer McDtess who can hit the open J. is a really good rebounder, a savy veteran and would not cost much at all for a cpl years. The Cavs adding another post PF wouldn’t make sense. That would clog up the lanes for Delonte and LeBron. They need one who is athletic and can stretch the floor. You can’t have both C and PF in the paint and then LeBron (who get’s mostly all of his baskets down there.) Will Bynum isn’t a 2 guard. And bringing in another gurad who is barely 6 foot is counter productive. If any guard comes here it will be Barnes or Parker, both 6’6" plus who can defend on the perimeter. A 2nd unit of Gibson and Bynum would get destroyed evry time out on the floor mainly because they would not be able to defend.
No way you resign Andy for that much. If C Vill is setting the bar at 8 mil per year, why would you pay Andy more and he is not even as valuable of a player. Artest didn’t even get that much. He averages 8 and 8 in 30 min a game. And if you sign him to that deal and use the MLE or Bi annual than you WOULD be taking yourself out of the race for a big time FA. ANd with your scenario a sign and trade for Millsap would take you out even more b/c Z and Shaq our our biggest assets coming off the books next year. I know that he is an energy guy, but there are ones like Birdman who only got paid 1 mil last year… he is an unrestricted free agent btw.
Cavs will likely end up with Parker and McDyess. But an interesting name is Travis Outlaw from Portland. He’s a free agent and they lave a log game at the 3 spot. He’s real athletic and is 6’9" so he can defend multiple positions. He also has a knack for coming up huge in the clutch if you wayched any of thier games last year…. Do a little more hw before you post next time
by Evan S on Jul 5, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the post
very informative, level headed and concise unlike the topic post.
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by E5 on Jul 5, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think the cavs will target marion now
that sheed has agreed with boston
by celticinorlando on Jul 5, 2009 7:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
NO
nice try but Marion is an overrated declining egomaniac that this team does not need or want.
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by E5 on Jul 5, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Marion would really help the Cavs and is an improvement over Varejão. I hope we can sign him.
2009 Prediction: Att - Yds - TD
Jerome Harrison 95 - 532 - 8
by Simmsinns on Jul 5, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but you mentioned marion by name in your initial response to this post…
in addition, you’re wrong about marion. he would be a PERFECT 3rd or 4th guy (behind LBJ, Shaq and Mo) on this team…long, athletic, guards 4 positions, rebounds well, and can shoot a bit (even if it’s horrible to watch). he would be an excellent addition to the cavs.
by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 6, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His shot is pretty ugly. If he can put them in the basket, I am in for Marion.
by rufio on Jul 6, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need to resign V, we need to sign millsap, parker or marion, and shop Z, he has a massive expiring contract that could get us someone good, the reason we need to do something with him is right now all he is is a back up declining big man, we got enough bigs that are good enough to be backups in v and darnell and jj, we need to get a good wingman to help out with perimeter d in exchange for Z’s expiring $$$
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2009 7:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why does everyone want to trade Z? He was fine the entire regular season and the first two rounds of the playoffs, then he has a bad series against Dwight Howard (the best center in the NBA) and all of a sudden everyone wants to trade him? We have the perfect situation now; Shaq and Z can each play about half the game and take days off when they need to in order to keep fresh for the playoffs. I don’t know why we’d want to change that.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 6, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. He has also spent his entire 11 year career with Cleveland, I think he deserves to retire as a Cavalier.
2009 Prediction: Att - Yds - TD
Jerome Harrison 95 - 532 - 8
by Simmsinns on Jul 6, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
typically, i would say this is a horrible reason to keep someone, but in this case i think it will come true. z has already accepted a back-up role for the first time in his career, and he is the one player to whom it seems ferry has some emotional attachment. both he and the cavs want him to finish in cleveland.
while shopping him wouldn’t be a bad idea, it ain’t going to happen. you’re right.
by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 6, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My problem with Z is that he doesn’t perform well deep in the playoffs. And I don’t think it’s some “he disappears in big games” nonsense, I just think by the time you distill the NBA teams down to the best 4-8, Z is not going to win his matchups.
The only reason to actually move Z would be if he could net us a “where amazing happens”-esque lopsided trade. It would probably have a better chance of happening mid-season after a young small market team tanks.
by rufio on Jul 6, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank You...
That is what I was going for…
He is an $11 million dollar backup!
For god’s sake… Let’s “attempt” to make a deal with a team like NEW ORLEANS for Tyson Chandler. The salary is roughly the same for the upcoming season. The Hornets would save an additional $12,750,000 for the 2010-2011 season unless Chandler were to opt out of his contract, which he probably won’t do.
I was just being open to any and all possibilities. I was being a fan first and hoping for the best. We have given Z 13 years in a Cavaliers uniform. It’s time to stop thinking about sentiment and start worrying about whether the Cavaliers can keep LeBron James beyond this season. He is the most vital piece to the Cavs being a contender for the next 10+ years.
Z was not fine in the playoffs. LeBron was stellar in the playoffs even when we were losing to the Magic. LeBron had to make the better plays to make anyone else on the team look like they were there. They stood around most of the time. That includes Z. He can’t hold his own down in the post. It makes zero sense to keep him. He no longer benefits the franchise. No one is asking Shaq to play an entire game. That’s what a rotation is for. Darnell Jackson is a bigger post presence than Z.
By the way, Z to the Jazz doesn’t make a bad move. The Jazz are shopping Kirilenko for Tracy McGrady. It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to the Jazz to trade with us. It’s an option to explore though if we any advantage. If we could find a way to get Dwyane Wade to Cleveland and send Z to get him, then it’s definitely worth a look. That’s definitely hypothetical, but I think I’m making my point.
We need to maximize our team’s talent. When Z retires next year, how good will you feel if we don’t have an NBA Championship parade down Euclid Avenue? Oh yeah, but at least Z is happy by retiring as a Cavalier. It’s an extremely depressing thought. And it’s not one I want to have.
by Tiny iZ Boss on Jul 6, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to maximize our team’s talent. When Z retires next year, how good will you feel if we don’t have an NBA Championship parade down Euclid Avenue? Oh yeah, but at least Z is happy by retiring as a Cavalier. It’s an extremely depressing thought. And it’s not one I want to have.
Are implying that if we don’t trade Z, we won’t win a championship?
I personally think with our current roster we are still the favorite to win it all, especially in the east. And we can still make a nice move for the MLE, if the right player wants to take advantage of the opportunity at a championship, but that’d be icing on the cake.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t it be ideal if we can manage to win that championship, have Z retire with a ring as Cavalier, Shaq get his 5th then move on, guarantee LBJ in Cleveland, and still sign another max contract (Chris Bosh) to cement our future? Because, as I see it now, that is very very possible.
2009 Prediction: Att - Yds - TD
Jerome Harrison 95 - 532 - 8
by Simmsinns on Jul 6, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not necessarily implying that.
I’m saying that the Cavs should think about making a move.
I do agree with what you say. It would be a nice scenario.
To rufio….
I wasn’t saying that we should get Kirilenko, but that it would open a Center spot on their roster for Z if he were traded to Houston for McGrady. Then we might be able to get a sign-and-trade for Millsap. It’s a long shot because the Jazz say they match any MLE offer, but it was a thought.
by Tiny iZ Boss on Jul 7, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t Kirilenko one of the worst contracts in the NBA?
by rufio on Jul 6, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cavs don’t want to trade for Tyson Chandler because they don’t want to take on his long-term contract. They want cap space for 2010 and Z is only signed for one more year.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 7, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Contracts
the Cavaliers are going to need a starting center or power forward in 2010/2011.
Shaq and Z are both Free Agents – $32,100,000+ comes off the books at the end of the season which leads to Cleveland being roughly $18m under the cap (depending on where it is next offseason) even with LeBron picking up his option.
If LeBron does NOT pick up his option, they’ll be $35m+ under the cap if they renounce his “Bird Rights” when/if he signs somewhere else.
Chandler’s contract isn’t “long term”, is expires in 2010/2011 IF he picks up his player option (which he most undoubtedly will). So while Chandler would seriously eat into Cleveland’s available cap next offseason, they’re going to need a Center or a Power Forward anyway so… he’s not a horrific option if he’s all that’s left to choose from.
by Boney on Jul 7, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
$12m under the cap in ‘10-’11 when they use the MLE this offseason… my bad, forgot CLE still had $5-$6m to spend on top of whatever they sign Andy for.
Right now CLE is at $68m (assume a $53-$55m cap) and Z ($11m) and Shaq ($20m) come off, takes it down to the neighborhood of $35m. If LeBron opts out, it’ll be roughly $18m in salaries going into 2010/2011… but there will be several holes to fill as only 6 players are signed going into ‘10-’11.
by Boney on Jul 7, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they definitely aren’t going to renounce LeBron; the only way he comes off the books is if he signs elsewhere. when he opts out, he’ll still count approximately $17.5mm against our cap for 10-11. which, depending on the 10-11 cap, the remaining signings this year, and the cap holds for various empty roster slots next year, will leave somewhere around $17-18mm in space. VERY tight to being able to sign another max guy. if you pick up chandler now, you blow any shot at a max guy next summer (assuming you keep LeBron…and if you don’t keep LeBron, no other max guy is signing in CLE anyway).
but you raise an interesting point, and a balancing act that i’m sure the cavs are trying to manage. picking up chandler now could provide the type of running mate that LeBron would like, and increase the chances of LeBron staying. on the flip side, if chandler is a malcontent or injured (again), you’ve blown a shot at bosh, and potentially run LeBron out of town. further, if you don’t get chandler, and something goes awry in the above and you can’t afford bosh (etc.), then you’re pretty SOL as far as providing LeBron a running mate, and maybe he leaves.
in the last scenario, though, i think $15mm in cap room still gives you a chance to put some real pieces around LeBron, even if it isn’t bosh (etc.). that would be a main reason, in my mind, that they don’t go after chandler now.
by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 7, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm Will Byum isn't an option
Detroit picked up his option. He’ll be available next year, so long as Detroit doesn’t re-sign him.
Cleveland doesn’t need him though, there are enough undersized guards on the roster
by Boney on Jul 7, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Best, and most likely bet for next season (unless another trade is made)
PG – Mo/Boob/a LLE PG
SG – West/Parker/Kinsey
SF – LeBron/Wally/Green
PF – Varejao/Frye or Dyess or Bass/Hickson
C – Shaq/Z/Jackson
15 players – with Kinsey, the LLE PG and Wally/Green alternating in street clothes.
Nobody without cap room is getting Millsap. Utah is stuck with 2 expirings in Okur and Boozer and want to keep Millsap. A sign and trade for Millsap would likely require bringing back a horrible contract (Kirilenko).
I don’t believe anyone will want Z, at least not until close to the trade deadline so he can be bought out for less. Z will be the player that brings in the next wave of talent to Cleveland, Z or Shaq. It’ll be an interesting trade deadline in Cleveland this year, that much is certain. Shaq and Z will make up more than 50% of the cap alone, which could bring back a superstar who could opt out (Bosh, Wade) and some role players.
by Boney on Jul 7, 2009 3:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
no more Dyess
rumors have him becoming a Spur…
down to Frye and Bass.. and Detroit and Bass have mutual respect for each other so, who knows
by Boney on Jul 7, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frye is going to Phoneix
Lets face it people the Cavs can’t sign anyone unless no one else wants them this off season.
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by E5 on Jul 7, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
another absurd comment. you’re on quite the hot streak.
who cares about channing frye?
by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 7, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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