Another shot at Jamison (this time it could be done)
by NELLY808 on Jan 5, 2010 5:01 PM CST
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So according to an article in Yahoo sports and from SI.com, the Wizards of Waverly place are looking to blow the team to smithereens again in order to rebuild around Butler, Young and Mcghee. One of the pieces they are looking to trade is a familiar name within the Cavs organization ( because we have been trying to woo him forever) Antawn Jamison.
I believe that this time around will be a bit more serious since the Wiz seem intent on trading just about anyone & everyone on their current roster and is almost certainly in "rebuild mode" I for one would welcome Jamison, i have always been a fan of his style of play and most of all his professionalism.
I have not watched him of late, but his numbers do stand out and they are very hard to deny, the dude can play the 3 & 4 spots and can bring the much needed scoring punch the Cavs have been sorely missing from the block opposite of Shaq. He can also serve as that stretch forward they have been searching for all summer long....oh and dude can shoot 3's effectively.
Anyways here is the article i took from Hoopshype
Sources said the team would prefer to move Jamison, 33, a good soldier and automatic 20-point, eight-rebound performer every night. The free-spending Cavaliers have long been enamored with the versatile Jamison, and they might be willing to absorb the final two years of underachieving Andray Blatche's contract to get him. By July, the Wizards could be armed with more than $25 million in cap space, a high lottery pick and a few decent parts in Butler, JaVale McGee and Nick Young - SI.com
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The other part would be
to get a 20 and 8 player, will either cost talent or high draft picks and expiring contract
Since Cleveland won’t have a high draft pick, you would need to include talented Youngster
So unless you are saying LBJ, I do not see where the talented youngsters are going to come from
Could a deal around...
J.J. Hickson and Delonte West be a good starting point??
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by John Bena (aka CavsBlogger) on Jan 5, 2010 6:04 PM CST reply actions
not possible…..salaries not even close…Hickson and delonte under 6 million total and jamison is at 11.5 million. plus jamison is 34 this summer….can you say dimishing skills coming soon?
They have been saying that about Jamison for years tho… guy seems to be in pretty good shape. 12 mil/yr good? Ah… but takin his salary on could be the catalyst to a championship
"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq
by Max_in_Missouri on Jan 6, 2010 1:34 AM CST up reply actions
Don’t even joke like that!!! Leave those two alone. Hickson is going to payoff big in the near future. (he’s showing that now and he’ll only improve) Delonte’ is paying off now. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
by prophet...peace on Jan 7, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
Jamison is 34 years old this summer. I would rather have Gilbert Arenas and use him at shooting guard. Z and Delonte for Arenas. these salaries match. Z gets bought out and returns in a month. Arenas is money at the shooting guard spot and excels under the leadership of Mo and LeBron.
Gilbert Arenas and use him at shooting guard
too soon?
by hans on Jan 5, 2010 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You know what they say, the more important factor when it comes to decline is how many minutes you have played, not how old you are. Jamison played 3 seasons in college. And his first 2 seasons in the NBA he only played like 47 and 43 games, so he is a relatively young 33. He is still looking good, his stats havent declined significantly, and thats with arenas playing every game this season.Besides, we don’t need him to put up franchise leading numbers. All we need from him is to be an improvement over what we currently have for the remainder of his contract, and i think he would be that. Plus he really does come across as a team player and a guy who could play in lebron’s shadow without it hurting his ego…he’s done it with arenas for most of his career.
So i think this is the right person at the right time for the right position. Make the trade if possible!
by CavsLebronFan on Jan 5, 2010 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely,1000% agree. AJ is not needed as a starter, but could if needed. One area the Cavs need improvement in to step to the next level is pwerful bench play. The 2nd team needs to be as scary as the first team. Imagine being able to pick Z, Shaq or Andy @center, Andy-AJ, Moon @ the 4, Moon-AJ @3 and 4, you get my drift? The flexibility and power in offense while not losing a step in defense. Go ahead call me crazy, I’m salivating at the prospect.
by prophet...peace on Jan 7, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
I highly doubt Arenas will be playing basketball for much longer this season.
by Buckeye Brad on Jan 6, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
that is nuts!! Arenas health issues, lack of defense and team chemistry aside, I think you have seriously underestimated West’s and Z’s value to the team.
by prophet...peace on Jan 7, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
To be a shooting guard
Don’t you have to know how to … maybe …. shot
Yeah hitting 40% of his 2 pointer would be great
Jamison...YES!!!
Solid work ethic, great athlete, very good basketball sense, scoring, rebounding, consistency, NO ego. I keep looking for his downside but there is none. You may say age. I say, in his case age translates as experience. You say defense? I say his offensive benefits far outweigh any SMALL defensive liabilities he may have. (Besides, WASH does NOT have good defensive sets to begin with)I’m sure a 2-3 team deal that rids us of Jackson, J.Williams, Powe and/or a draft pick could probably get AJ here. I had always suspected that Powe was a potential trade deadline investment anyway. Picking up Jamison would be HUGE!!!
WOW
these are some great insights, thanks guys!
and for the record, i really hope they do sign him, dude is such a good guy
and the perfect complimentary player, hard working, reliable, age is a factor, but you look past those things when adding such a piece could bring home some shiny new hardware to the city of Cleveland.
I am all for it and welcome him with open arms
"minds sharpens minds, like steel sharpens steel"
I don’t remember the exact players involved but I saw a trade that bill simmons suggested where we get jamison. he was suggesting trades to teams and he talked about how the wizards are the new knicks; way above the salary cap and a cellar dweller. they need some expiring contracts.
I think in the move, the wizards trade away caron butler, haywood, jamison, and mike james(expiring contract). we get haywood and jamison. they trade mike james and butler to Utah for Boozer. utah trades us korver’s expiring contract. this helps Utah avoid the luxury tax. while it is the GM hitting the reset button in Washington, he is getting some ECs which give him salary cap flexibility and gives young guys a chance…
While the trade on paper looks stupid, right now washington needs to be rebuilding. they are old in the frontcourt and have too much money tied down in big, long contracts. the Jazz want to get rid of boozer and could really use a solid guy to play the 3. butler is no spring chicken anymore and too old to b part of the rebuilding process (he will be 30 in a couple of months). you also trade away 2 other overpayed player on the wrong side of 30.
this actually makes a lot of sense to me. Then you have a lineup for the wizards of foye, miller, nick young, boozer and Shaq. probably about as good as what they gave up. shaq will not play a lot of minutes which opens up playing time for their good young post player andray blatche. this also opens up minutes for dominic Mcguire who can play either forward position and jarvis crittendon moves into a 4 man rotation in the backcourt.
This trade actually makes sense and they do not lose a ton of talent compared to what they get, AND it really frees up their depth chart to develop the young players they will build their team around.
while you could say this makes the jazz shallower in the front court, it really doesn’t. butler has the skills to play either forward position. I also do not like the 3 position on the jazz. their best player is CJ miles who at best, will become a role player in the league…I am not a fan. this puts paul millsap into the starting role. he has really developed into a very good bench player over the last couple years and I want to see him get a shot at starting full time. korver is the last player on their bench and mostly just a 3 point specialist. this also can free up more playing time for the second year player kosta kofus. this gives the jazz only one player listed as a PF and while butler can play there some, he cannot play every minute. this frees up more playing time for kofus who can play the 4.
Not to hard to find Simmons stuff, here is his story about the trade deadline and what "fake trades he would do as GM of the league.
Here is the deal he proposed:
Fake Trade 9 (three-way): Wizards get Carlos Boozer and Shaq; Utah gets Caron Butler and Mike James’ EC; Cavs get Jamison, Haywood and Kyle Korver’s EC. Utah drops close to the tax line.
yeah…I ended up finding it and forgot to delete that beginning. This is the trade I was talking about…and although you do give up some talent, it DOES make some sense to the wizards b/c although they don’t want to admit it they are in rebuilding mode. so they trade away 3 guys 30 and over and get one guy who is in his prime (boozer) and one guy who is old but has an EC.
wowser
interesting trade scenario, but we all know it wont happen, they would likely keep Haywood and include Blatche along with Jamison, Butler however is goners…i am pretty sure we will see him gone before the deadline.
"minds sharpens minds, like steel sharpens steel"
I know it won’t happen b/c the wizards will be waving the white flag by doing it…besides that it makes great sense. shaq is gone at the end of the yr whereas jamison and butler still have a couple years. you get rid of mike james which frees up your backcourt. you play nick young as a starter at the 3 and this frees up crittenden to crack more minutes in the backcourt rotation as the backup to mike miller. blatche can play center b/c shaq can’t handle any minutes. the only downside is they get smaller and have only one true 3 in dominic McGuire (who would also get increased minutes b/c butler plays almost 40 min). the difference in minutes played between the guys they are trading away and the guys they are getting is about 55ish. that means there will likely be 55 minutes distributed among their younger players like McGuire (only playing 6.2 min now) blatche (22 min) nick young (19 min) and javaris crittenden (buried on the depth chart behind mike james…0 minutes all yr)
The problem is...
Shaq has been absolutely pivotal in beating the Lakers and the Magic. He will be pivotal to our championship this year. The playoffs are when he will come out and shine, along with Leon Powe. We need Shaq. The only possible way this could work is if we traded Z, he got bought out, and we got him back after 30 days. Only way.
by CameronGreen11 on Jan 13, 2010 11:58 PM CST reply actions
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