Will you be watching tonight?
by AncientMariner on Oct 26, 2010 4:36 PM CDT
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PrintI am curious, now that opening night in the NBA is here, whether you will be watching the game tonight between the Miami Heat and the Boston Celtics.
I will probably be following along a little bit on Yahoo or NBA.com, but I am not sure I could take the endless highlight reel that will surely be re-run every time LeBron manages to dribble into the front court and not lose the ball out of bounds.
After all, he is special (smirks).
But I will forgo actually watching the Three Amigos.
Will you watch the game, or, if you read this after the fact, did you watch the game?
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I'll watch it here and there
Will be interested to see if they can keep it within 20 of the Celtics tonight. The Heat are so thin at most every position right now while the Celtics are 2-3 deep.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 26, 2010 5:06 PM CDT reply actions
and hey, the good news is, if the Heat lose tonight, they will be — for one day at least — 15th in the conference…lol
by AncientMariner on Oct 26, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
If they lose tonight
they’ll start the season 1-2 best case scenerio. They don’t match up well with Orlando at all and they’ve got BOS-PHI back to back tonight and tomorrow, then Orlando on Friday.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 26, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the sound of that scenario. And maybe the Celtics will use up all their emotion tonight and be flat tomorrow and we can steal our home opener.
by AncientMariner on Oct 26, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
All I know is that if we don't beat Toronto on Friday
it’s going to be a long season.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 26, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Right now my feeling is, every win is a little miracle and every loss is an “oh well, what more should we have hoped for”. Simplistic of me? Yes, probably, but it is my coping mechanism for the beginning of the season I guess.
by AncientMariner on Oct 26, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
It's so hard to gauge this team
because they either had a significant amount of talent along with Lebron or they were totally dependent upon him.
So either they could go into December being 10-7 or go into December being 4-13. Who honestly knows? We have no center, no depth and a bunch of shoot first scorers.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 26, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
We don’t really have an SF either, do we?
by JulioBernazard on Oct 27, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it will be SF by committee. We may have lineups where we don’t play a SF.
I know byron scott has toyed with a couple ideas for the SF position
a) Having Jamison play there and having a frontcourt of Jamison, Hickson, and Andy
b) Eliminating the SF and playing a more “college” style offense (not for a whole game though) with 3 guards and 2 big men. This style works best in a princeton offense and we have the backcourt to do it.
Imagine though the things you can do with Mo, Boobie, and Parker. all 3 can pass and all 3 can shoot the trey.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Nope, not at all. My fiance and I hit RedBox tonight to be able to avoid the coverage altogether. Tomorrow, our regular morning routine of SportsCenter/Mike&Mike will be replaced by local news or Saved By The Bell… lol
I think you might
change your mind after tonights debacle from the Heat. Lebron had LESS help with the Heat then he had in Cleveland. Bosh is hopeless and Wade is clearly still hurt and his injuries through out his career are going to start taking there toll on him. Lebron looked the same. Capable of scoring in bunching but forcing the ball to many times when he should be patient and generally being inconsistent.
All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
Baseball’s biggest busts Andy Marte.
16-9 Boston after one. I cannot recall ANY game last year with a quarter where the Cavs did not score at least ten points. I am watching on Yahoo and since the Cheat — er, I mean the Heat — are doing so poorly, I will not jinx it by switching to TNT.
The last time James’ Cavaliers scored nine or fewer points in a quarter was February 2, 2007, when they managed nine in the second against the Chicago Bulls.
Hasn’t happened in a WHILE.
by JulioBernazard on Oct 27, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
The Heat are awful right now
they are banking on a lot of transition buckets against superior teams. They’ll beat up on the weaker East teams but against good teams they are going to struggle like this.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 26, 2010 7:14 PM CDT reply actions
Heat down by 16, if you are still online to see this…
by AncientMariner on Oct 26, 2010 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Hahahahahahahahahaha! I’m loving this!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hahahahahahahahaaha!
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
by Simmsinns on Oct 26, 2010 7:20 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
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I really hope Z fails miserably. He is just one more reason to hate that team.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I do. He’s nothing to me now, other than an a**hole. I need to think of something to do to my jersey of the last 4 seasons.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Come on… his wife’s family is ailing in health in southern FL and she wanted to be near them this year. Z said he would love to come back as a coach for the Cavs next season. Don’t rag on the big man, I wish him well.
Don't be afraid to fight for your rights!
there is a difference between leaving when you are 26-27 and leaving when you are 35. I don’t blame anyone who leaves their team to get a championship when they are in their mid 30s
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Yeah, that difference is that I fully expected that from LeBron, I was calling it years ago.
I never expected this from my once all-time favorite Cavalier since I was like 12 years old. He could have gone anywhere else I would have still respected that. But this… after the whole circus… hell no. It’s not like he’s pissing off the crew that treated him like sh*t last season. He’s stabbing his own die hard fans in the back, with apparently no shame whatsoever. Screw that. I expect more than that out of my favorite players.
I won’t wear a jersey with Ilgauskas on the back, like I had been for years.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Z is not stabbing anyone in the back. Z is chasing a championship. At his age with his health, I can’t blame him. Do I wish he had gone somewhere else? yeah. But I won’t get angry over this.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 27, 2010 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I can’t say it any better than NTN.
Honestly, lebron was the first player I truly lost respect for when they lost cleveland. I have no problem with free agency, just the way lebron did it. Somewhere deep down, I believed lebron would do it, but I denied it for so long, I forgot that thought existed.
Maybe my favorite cleveland player left when I was a kid…Jim Thome. I was upset at first, but realized that the indians were not going to the playoffs and he wanted to go to the playoffs and the indians were a rebuilding team. i can take a guy doing what thome did (leaving a team already in the rebuilding process) or a guy who did what Z did (veteran going after the championship).
There are many players throughout the NBA that have done what Z did (Jason Kidd, Mike Bibby, Vince Carter, and AI come to mind). Z just was unfortunate to decide to do it the same year as the decision. You look at what he did and take away factors outside of his control (lebron, “the decision”), his is no different than theirs.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
The fact remains, for me, that he joined the one team that he knew might upset his most loyal fans. That hurts. In fact, it’s worse to me than what LeBron did, because I never saw it coming.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
The fact remains, for me, that he joined the one team that he knew might upset his most loyal fans.
and why, at this point in his career, should he let cavs fans decide where he wants to go. He wants to win a ring before he calls it quits. Honestly, if the cavs fans don’t want him to go to a place where he can win one, then screw ’em. He played here for a while and yes he loves the fanbase, but in the end he has to do what is overall the best for him. The best for him would not have been staying here, or going to another midlevel team.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
For the record, the only team I would have minded him going to was the Heat, any other team in the entire NBA and I’d have rooted for him to get a ring. Not the Heat.
I’ll leave it at this, you can have your opinion, I’ll have mine. But I refuse to root for the Heat, I will no longer root for Z.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I won’t root for Z and I won’t root for the heat, but I will not root against Z. Right now, I am indifferent to him as a player and I still like him as a guy.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
LeBron has played all but 3:37. If he plays at that pace for long, I would look for an elbow excuse about the time Kobe schools the Heat
You mean when the Atlanta Hawks
take them out in the first round?!
All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
Baseball’s biggest busts Andy Marte.
TNT: “Haslem is really the heart and soul of this Miami team”
Hahahahaha! Yeah, they are definitely in trouble if that joker is the heart of the team. Ha.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
What’s wrong with Haslem? He’s not the best player, but he’s the only one on the Heat I really respect…..
"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq
by Max_in_Missouri on Oct 26, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
When LeBron, Wade, and Bosh are on your team, but you need to rely on Haslem to be the heart of the team, that’s a problem.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Hahahahahahahah!
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
It’s so funny that this Miami team is going to play out just like it did on the Cavs, LeBron has to take over big games because he needs the ball in his hands to be effective. And they can’t say no to him, not after this summer. Hahaha! The funniest part is that they supporting cast he had in Cleveland is so much better than what he has now.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
by Simmsinns on Oct 26, 2010 9:27 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Alright, they lost their first game. Let’s not jump to any conclusions yet about how well they’re going to do throughout an 82 game season.
Still nice to see though ;).
Exactly. He isn’t that good until he shoots the ball 20 times. He started off shooting really terrible, but once he hit number 10 (at that point, he was 4-10), he heated up (6-11). The supporting cast didn’t do shit, because he didn’t LET THEM.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Glad we could make you guys happy tonight
Do us a favor and get off to a hot star to really mount the pressure on Bronbron?
Haha, thanks. But you know to get off to a hot start we’re going to have to beat you guys tonight!
Still, I’ll be rooting for you guys strongly come playoff time if the Heat don’t get knocked off before meeting Boston.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
ehh, if beating us tonight would get you guys of to a 10-0 start
I don’t know if i’d really mind. We know what we are, and we know we’ll be there playoff time. but i’m pretty sure i don’t speak for all celtics fans haha.
by beantownboy171 on Oct 27, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
You’ve gotta wonder, when will the Heat FINALLY put a supporting cast around poor Lebron James?
"Have you ever thought about love????"
by Chemo on Oct 26, 2010 10:02 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The biggest issue is that they can’t afford to, at all. They already have every member of that team taking pay cuts. They’ll need to blow that team up and rebuild to put a legitimate championship team together.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Not to mention
the NBA might cut the salary cap even more after this season and impose a hard cap so no MLE or Bi annual exceptions which will really make it hard to improve their bench/supporting cast. They have no draft picks so that forgoes the youth route. The heat have boxed themselves into a corner hoping three guys with huge egos can play together and share the rock when all are still in the prime years for off the court money making. The best way to make money off the court is to put up really good numbers on it, that will cause a ton of friction.
The Heat will win a fair amount of games but Wade’s, Lebron’s and Bosh’s numbers are going to suffer and come playoffs more experienced TEAMS like Boston, Orlando and even Atlanta will really make live miserable for them. I don’t see the Heat making it past the first round of the playoffs. They have no offensive flow and no low post scoring. Lebron is not a low post scorer. Heck even with all the hating we did on Mike Brown’s offense it had more player and ball movement than the Heat did tonight. Maybe it wasn’t the coaching as much it is the player?
All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
Baseball’s biggest busts Andy Marte.
Well, thanks for the analysis guys, but I thought my sarcasm was pretty obvious.
"Have you ever thought about love????"
Sarcasm because they can’t afford anything right? Because its appearent that the supporting cast is just awful, most of them always have been.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Sarcasm because the media spent the last year saying “Lebron needs to leave Cleveland because he has no supporting cast!” And now, here he is, losing to the Celtics because he had no supporting cast.
"Have you ever thought about love????"
I had a ragin' stiffy for the majority of the game
How much did you guys love the “over-rated” chants? Or the booing consistently through the game when Lebron touched the ball? Pretty great!
"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq
by Max_in_Missouri on Oct 26, 2010 10:35 PM CDT reply actions
So, the Cavs are undefeated and the Heat have lost every game they've played!
Savor the Kool-Aid, folks. I know I am. Sipppppp….
Don't be afraid to fight for your rights!
I watched the whole game, and........... the heat sucked
Of course, Lefool got all of the calls, with 3 straight charges in a row being called as blocking fouls, and only scored when nobody else touched the ball.
The celtics looked good, especially in the first half, when their defense was stifling. Shaq also fits in much better with them than he did with the Cavs.
It looks like Lebron will just be the pg for Miami though, since they really dont have a good one. Arroyo was non-existent, and from what I have heard and seen a little of, Chalmers is barely better.
I think Shaq will look good because Rondo will give him three free dunks every game. Of course, Rondo would give three free dunks to whoever was playing center (Kendrick Perkins!), so Shaq doesn’t have much to do with it.
"Have you ever thought about love????"
I am secretly very jealous of Boston for having Rondo.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 27, 2010 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, if he hadn’t been killing us for the last few years, I would love the way he plays.
"Have you ever thought about love????"
I hate him but I love him. I hate the fact that no one on our D can stop his quickness and he just torches us.
I like his throwback game, the classic old school PG. He has a bit of stockton in his game (though he is a bit faster and looks to shoot more, and isn’t as polished of a passer yet). you don’t see a guy who has that kind of defensive presence and commitment to passing anymore from these offensive PGs (you do see one or the other, but rarely both).
Honestly, as a defensive player, I would already say he is one of the top 3 PGs since stockton (behind Kidd and Payton) and probably the best current defender at the position
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Comparing Shaq’s offensive abilities to Perk’s? Blasphemy
"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq
by Max_in_Missouri on Oct 27, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I actually like Carlos Arroyo. He isn’t flashy, but if you like your guy to make the occasional slick pass and limit turnovers, he is your guy. His A/TO ratio is always awesome.
The problem with him is that like any PG, he needs to have the ball in his hands to create…but there’s not enough balls to go around between Lebron who always needs it, Wade who always needs it, and Bosh who often needs it.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
my prediction on East playoffs
Cavs are number 8 seed and take out the Heat in the 1st round :)
Kobe: "Listen, if you told me at the beginning of the year that we’ve got two games at home to win a championship, yeah, I’ll take that shit"
Not meant to criticize anyone, but....
I cringe a little whenever I see anyone write that Lebron had a better supporting cast in Cleveland than with the Heat. I never did like Lebron as a person, always as a talent/player, and he could’ve done a lot of good in Cleveland. I’m not delusional, though, and claiming that Mo Williams and Jamison compliment Lebron better than Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh. That’s just silly, and anyone arguing that Wade, Lebron, and Bosh can’t coexist completely ignores the fact that the late 80’s, early 90’s Bulls also featured 3 All-Stars at the SG, SF, and PF positions. Yes, the Heat played badly last night. They were also up against the reigning Eastern Conference Champions who have one of the greatest PFs of all time, along with an all-around SF and an All-Star point guard. The Celtics can make any team look bad, not only the Heat.
Look, the Heat have their weaknesses, and are not a team that I’m especially rooting for. But in the interest of basketball, and Cavaliers basketball, I think a) Cleveland fans need to be more objective when valuing how good the Miami Heat team can be and b) Worry about the Cavs. I’ve really enjoyed watching the Cavs the past few years not only because of Lebron, but because I enjoyed watching the defense work. Lebron only helped out with that part of the floor only after the Olympics. I worry, though, that Byron Scott does not have the defensive acumen that Mike Brown does. Hopefully, his defensive assistants will keep the standard (and Varejao will keep chugging away).
supporting cast includes more than three players.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 27, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
am pretty sure that when most Cavs fan speak of supporting cast, we mean all the players on the team compared to everyone on the Heat team minus Bosh and Wade, i.e role players
The role players the Cavs had last year were very good. The role players, outside of Miller, that the Heat have are very non-descript. Very little shooting and very little size (other than Z). The role players the Cavs had last year could shoot the 3 pretty well and had size in the middle to at least compete with the other big men.
I don’t think anyone here is naive to think Jamison and Williams match up better than Wade and Bosh, but they are better than any other role players Miami currently has, at least healthy.
a supporting cast is not just a couple players.
Plus, its not like the consensus people are saying is that he has clearly “worse” supporting cast but it seems more like people are saying the jersey is different but the situation is somewhat hte same (in terms of a supporting cast)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
watched the whole game
funny, i still found myself rooting against the celtics. they are just too dirty and their fans are too big of douches to ever side with. as a result, i actually found myself rooting for the heat. i guess it was an easy transition to make, since the only reason i ever liked lebron was the fact that he was on the cavs. it was clear he was a douchebag all along, but i tolerated him and admired his skill because he was on my team. its just as easy to admire his skill on a different team. better he’s somewhere else, so we all don’t have to lie to ourselves and pretend lebron is deserving of our fanhood. him leaving did not bother me in the slightest; what really hurt was when he quit on us in the playoffs. after that, i didn’t want him on the cavs, and none of you should either. go cavs
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