Cavs Zero In on Amare??
According to multiple league sources, the Cavs have put their interest in forwards Troy Murphy and Antawn Jamison on the back burner for the moment and are getting serious about a higher-profile name, Phoenix Suns All-Star Amare Stoudemire.
Cavs General Manager Danny Ferry and Suns General Manager Steve Kerr, former teammates and friends who have already collaborated on big deals, met this afternoon in Dallas. Suns owner Robert Sarver and Cavs owner Dan Gilbert are also in town and are on the labor relations committee that met.
Sources indicate the Cavs, who first started talking to the Suns about their high-profile big man last month, are advancing talks to bring him to Cleveland.
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well, if that's the cost, Ferry would have to do it.
but only if Amare is signed long term. The Cavs would immediately go from “strong contenders” to “prohibitive favorites” for years to come. I doubt it happens…if it sounds too good to be true…..it probably is.
I'm Polish...what's your excuse?
I disagree.
I think Chris Bosh would be a better option. Trading and signing Amare would mean no Bosh.
No thanks, and not at that cost.
Keep our current team, win it all this year. Re-sign LeBron and sign Chris Bosh.
6+ peat
we are not getting Bosh. we can’t trade for him and we don’t have the cap space next year to sign him. the only way to get another superstar is thru a trade this year with Z or Wally’s contract and other young players, draft picks.
Granted, I have not done any actual math whatsoever with the contracts and the official salary cap, but don’t we get some kind of exception for re-signing a player already on our team (i.e. LeBron)? I could be wrong, but I thought I read that somewhere. If so, couldn’t that help us get Bosh?
Also, is there by any chance a link to anyone who has done the actual math completely eliminating another max contract (or close to it)?
I can see it being possible, I’m just curious and would like to see it myself.
Another max or large contract IS possible but, with the Cavs payroll being in the 80M range, it is only possible via trade…even next year the payroll will be 50M going in and that is not including Shaq or Z….team and individual salaries here
http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm
Salary cap/tax info here… http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
these just give you the facts…you’ll have to work it out for yourself
Actually there are too many variables at this point to say there is or isn’t room but the odds are strongly against a FA signing of any significance in the upcoming off season
by cavslandrocks on Feb 13, 2010 2:53 AM CST up reply actions
No, the Cavs can’t resign LeBron and also sign Bosh. They don’t have the cap space for that. It is true that they can go over the cap to resign LeBron but before they resign him there is a “cap hold” of a certain percentage of his salary and the only way that goes away is if they renounce their rights to LeBron (which means they can’t resign him). I’m not sure exactly how it all works, but it’s been discussed on here before if you search for it. Basically, though, the Cavs will not be able to resign LeBron and add another large contract like Bosh.
by Buckeye Brad on Feb 13, 2010 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
i co-sign this message. we need to wait for bosh. and yes the cavs will have enough to sign lebron and another name. i dont think lebrons salary goes against the salary cap.
by eye_was_born_ready on Feb 12, 2010 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
i dont think lebrons salary goes against the salary cap.
And you’re officially done
by Julie H on Feb 12, 2010 10:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
ALL that is needed is 13 Million…You DON’T have to trade even up on dollars..the Cavs can take on 125% PLUS $100,000 of the “salary” they trade away
WHY are you in such a rush to give away players?
Wally, at a reduced amount in a sign and trade, would be enough…or the Cavs could match them even up on dollars by contributing UP TO 3 Million in cash (to be used toward Wally’s buyout)
The above all assumes that this is a salary dump for PHX…Just remember that the Cavs got Shaq for nothing in a salary dump from this team too
by cavslandrocks on Feb 12, 2010 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
AND
If Stoudemire walks after the season, the Cavs gave up no more than 3 Million (plus his salary) to “rent” him for 4 months
by cavslandrocks on Feb 12, 2010 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
amare is not a salary dump, they want some value and to rid themselves of jason richardson’s salary next year. if it happens, i think is would be:
wally, Z, hickson, danny green, #1 pick
amare and richardson.
phoenix isn’t giving away a 27 year old starting All Star PF for nothing.
I think...
if Richardson is involved it could lead to a 3-team trade as well…
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by John Bena (aka CavsBlogger) on Feb 12, 2010 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
agree
the Cavs aren’t looking to take on 14.4M for next year in Richardson…especially not if they’re going to try and keep Stoudemire…IF this isn’t just a smokescreen for some other deal
by cavslandrocks on Feb 12, 2010 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
that would leave the Cavs with NO picks in the 2011 draft if they gave up the 2011 one and I think the league MIGHT have something to say about trading both picks in the same year to the same team even if it is in two different trades
by cavslandrocks on Feb 12, 2010 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
My mistake I got my years crossed..they traded the 2010 2nd round pick already so they would probably have to use 2011 or later
by cavslandrocks on Feb 12, 2010 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
they lose him for nothing one way or another, unless they trade him to a team that is willing to gamble on him coming back next year…that team should not be the Cavs….haven’t we heard enough of that kind of crap already?
Look at the potential downside…Shaq leaves, Z leaves, Amare` leaves LeBron leaves and they no longer have Hickson, Danny Green or any draft picks…Is THAT worth one championship??
by cavslandrocks on Feb 12, 2010 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
I’m not saying yay or nay on any trade here, but I would nuke any Cleveland team we have right now for 1 sweet Championship. It shouldn’t come to that, but I would do everything I could to win the thing and keep TheBron.
problem is if we go all out to win this year with LeBron and then have no pieces around him next year (no Green, Hickson, Z, Shaq, and Amare), then he has no real reason to stay.
Ferry will not do this trade
unless Amare is signed for several years. Too much at stake not to have him signed.
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windhorst is saying we would take on amare and jason richardson. this would require Z and Wally contracts. plus i would think a player and a draft pick.
plus i would think a player and a draft pick.
I like how we throw our own two cents in and expect others to believe this BS. They will be lucky if we take on Richardson and relieve them of the risk that is Amare’s contract where he can re-up with them this offseason and since he has a player option and will put them in no position to dictate their future for at least another season.
personally, i would rather see Z and Danny Green for Rip Hamilton. of course, Z gets bought out and comes back after 30 days.
but no one knows if that would happen..I think Z stays put because there has already been too much talk about him being bought out and returning…something the league would look into for certain if it happened…Ferry is not going to get caught doing something underhanded at his stage of the game
by cavslandrocks on Feb 12, 2010 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly right. People need to stop assuming we can trade Z and he’ll come back in 30 days. That’s not a certainty to happen and the league would definitely be suspicious that something illegal was done under-the-table if it did.
by Buckeye Brad on Feb 13, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
This is true.
So after knowing this, why would anyone want to lose the “Shaq insurance” plus JJ, plus West, all for Amare?
Especially knowing how high Z’s plus minus is against top 5 opponents…
(Not referring to you in particular, by any means. I just mean anyone in general.)
What do we do at backup center?
I only like this trade if you don’t give up Z (or his contract), which obviously isn’t to happen.
Has anyone who advocates for Rip Hamilton followed his defense in the last two years? He’s not the player he once was, or the system was making him look like a better player than he really was.
Windhorst has been questioning an Amare move because he states that Amare and Shaq did not work out, but when evaluating both Shaq’s and Amare’s PER for the 07-08 and 08-09 seasons we have the following numbers: 16.5 and 27.6 the first year, and 22.3 and 20.3, respectively. I think Windhorst is basing his remarks on “hearsay” that happens to be incorrect (at least in regards to offensive performance of the two players during their time together).
Cavs front office internally debating merits of trading for Amar’e Stoudemire vs Antawn Jamison. Not much on line —only franchise’s future.
Wojnarowski just tweeted that, if it’s true and we can have our pick of Amar’e or Antawn for the same price i wonder what the front office decides. Both players have their advantages, from what i hear Antawn is the better locker room guy and on paper he is the exact kind of PF we need, but on the other hand Amar’e is younger and the idea of a Lebron/Amar’e pick and roll being the cornerstone of our offense for years to come will give Lakers/Magic/Celtics fans nightmares.
That clown is just like Kenny Smith…never has much good to say about the Cavs/LeBron/Mike Brown unless it’s inescapable….Right after LeBron said no more FA talk til after the season, this idiot wrote an “article” on Yahoo bashing LeBron for NOT talking to him about his FA options..I believe nothing he has to say
by cavslandrocks on Feb 13, 2010 2:59 AM CST up reply actions
I’m tired of Wojo’s neg-head downer BS, too.
by JulioBernazard on Feb 13, 2010 7:01 AM CST up reply actions
There are certain national media guys who usually have an anti-cavs slant in any reporting they do. Sometimes it’s not necessarily overt, but it’s noticable nonetheless…Charles Barkely, Tony Kornheiser, Wojo…although that aside I always hated Stephen A. Smith the most. Not only was he a hack for the big markets, he always included a bit of racist undertones as well…
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by johnnyphoenix on Feb 13, 2010 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
Smith was actually a Lebron ‘fan,’ but definitely not a Cavs/Cleveland fan.
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by johnnyphoenix on Feb 13, 2010 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
True…the only time they say something positive about the Cavs is when they absolutely have to because it’s an established fact.
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by johnnyphoenix on Feb 13, 2010 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
The only positive for trading for Amare
Is that he allows the Cavs to sign and trade him next off-season for another superstar, since we would then own his Bird Rights.
Bosh has said he is willing to sign-and-trade with Toronto to ensure he gets a max deal, so that is a possibility. With the Cavs in cap trouble, that makes the Amare deal seem reasonable.
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 13, 2010 9:42 AM CST via mobile reply actions
By trading for Amare, we gain his Bird Rights
by having those rights, we can then offer him a MAX deal which can be a 10% increase and for 6 years, as opposed to the 8.5% increase and 5 years other teams offer him. By having his Bird Rights, we can sign him AND go over the cap. He still counts towards the cap but we are able to go over it to ensure we get a contract. By doing that, we could then take on some other teams sign-and-trade player, such as Bosh, Wade, or whomever is a FA this summer.
In that scenario, we could set up a 3 team deal in which the third team would be the team that Amare wishes to go to.
So, say the deal involved Bosh and Amare:
Cavs get Chris Bosh
Team B gets Amare
Toronto gets compensation from Cavs and Team B
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 13, 2010 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
That’s awesome. Unfortunately who is this Team B that wants to get Amare on a 6 year deal, particularly considering a) the looming uncertainty over the CBA, b) PHX can’t get a better package than we’re offering for Amare right now and c) well-informed Cavs fans don’t want to trade JJ Hickson for him?
I don’t mean to abuse your scenario. Maybe I’m the one who needs to think outside the box more.
Team B is whoever wants to sign Amare
And wants him bad enough they are willing to offer him a max deal using our Bird Rights.
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 13, 2010 11:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Miami
would love to have Amare and Amare wants to be in Miami. Miami will have the cap space to take on his salary since they have few signed past this year. Dwayne Wade would be on board with that deal.
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by E5 on Feb 14, 2010 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
To Clarify
Cavs sign Amare
then Trades him to Miami
and
Recieve
Chris Bosh
Miami
Gets Amare
Trades
Beasly + 2nd Round Pick
Toronto
Recieves 2nd Round Pick (Miami)
Plus other compensation from Cleveland.
All makes sense
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by E5 on Feb 14, 2010 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
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