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To Trade or not to Trade - Cavaliers will gain either way

The Cavaliers are going for it.  They should be applauded for it.  They are one of the few buyers in a seller's market - one of the few teams that are willing to take back a contract and add to the payroll.  Kudos to Dan Gilbert, Danny Ferry and the rest of the leadership over at The Q for taking advantage of the situation.  No matter what happens, you can't say the Cavaliers aren't doing everything they can to get a deal done - even if they really don't HAVE to do it.

At 43-11, the Cavaliers don't have to make a trade.  The team is deep and is a solid mix of veteran leadership(Shaq, Z), star power(LeBron, of course) and up-and-coming youth(J.J. Hickson).  They also have the players willing to get dirty(Varejao) that every championship team needs.  I am leaving out guys like Mo Williams, Delonte West, Jamario Moon and Daniel Gibson, of course, which goes right to one of my points about the Cavaliers.  They are incredibly deep, much deeper than last year's squad.  That depth is the reason they can even think about a trade right now, since any deal would likely be based on the assumption that Zydrunas Ilgauskas would get bough out and eventually return to the Cavaliers.

That depth is one reason why the Cavaliers could do nothing by this Thursday and still end up acquiring talent.  I'm talking, of course, about Leon Powe, set to return from the knee surgery that ended his playoff run last season and in many ways led him to the Cavaliers this season.  Sure, there are question marks, and no one knows if Powe will be as effective as his was with the Celtics, but if Powe does come back he provides the Cavaliers with another force inside, a tough defender and rebounder that will allow the perimeter guys to guard the 3-point line.

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Powe also provides the Cavaliers a lot of what J.J. Hickson gives the team - meaning it would lesson the sting of his departure.  Now, in now way am I comparing the athletic ability of Powe and Hickson - especially after the multiple injuries Powe has encountered, but what Powe has lost in explosiveness he has in basketball IQ and good ole' toughness.

This depth also allows the Cavaliers to play hardball.  They can stare down the Suns, or Wizards, in this high-stakes game of chicken knowing that each of those cash-strapped teams need the Cavaliers more than the Cavaliers need them.  Really.  The major argument I see coming from fans of those teams is the fear-factor.  

Do this or LeBron will leave, do that or LeBron will leave.

I'll be honest, I'm done with the threats.  It doesn't scare me.  As a Cavaliers fan, I am proud of the work Dan Gilbert and Danny Ferry have done to try and put the best possible pieces around James.  They are doing so again.  It will not be the fault of the Cavaliers if James leaves.  Think about it.  Look at how Miami has treated Dwyane Wade.  Why would James want to go to the Heat, where Pat Riley is the biggest star and let's people know he is in charge?  The same goes for New York where they Knicks or Nets for that matter, are still years away from contending.  If it is truly about winning, LeBron will stay in Cleveland.

So that brings us back to the next 3 days or so.  You know the Cavaliers would like an answer sooner rather than later.  There are several deals on the table, however, and it will likely come down to the last moments on Thursday.  While the rumor-mill is fun, and I can't keep my eyes off of it, I am confident that no matter what the Cavaliers do - if anything - they will be primed and ready to make a run at a NBA Championship. 

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Totally agree

Tired of hearing about LeBron leaving it’s way past old! Just think we’ll probably still have to listen to it even if LeBron does resign it will probably be like this until he retires or until he comes and says he’s never leaving. It’s so annoying I have never heard so much talk of a superstar leaving a contending team especially when one of his possible destinations talked about would be a terrible team like the Knicks or the Nets. He may help them but, they would still be far from championship status.

In Ferry i trust! GO CAVS!!!

by CAVS R BOSS on Feb 15, 2010 12:32 PM CST reply actions  

Attention

He loves having people talk about him all the time like 99% of all Super Stars. Not saying that’s the whole reason but, i’m sure it’s part of it. To be fair to LeBron though Kobe, Wade, and a bunch of other stars haven’t said they will never leave their respective teams. So, he’s not the only one.

by CAVS R BOSS on Feb 15, 2010 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Because leaving it uncertain puts the pressure on the front office to not only keep him happy, but to put the best possible team around him.

"Nobody ever thinks, 'Hey, maybe I’m actually an idiot.'" - Jay

by woodsmeister on Feb 15, 2010 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

This. And he, like most athletes, loves the attention.

by Buckeye Brad on Feb 15, 2010 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Those could be it

or he is on his way out of Cleveland. Just doesn’t want to hear it from you fans, by saying it before the season is over.

Dear Mr. Grunfeld,
I apologize, on behalf of all Wizards fans, for whatever it is we did to you.

by returnofswagger on Feb 15, 2010 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah that’s it. (rolls eyes) Cavs fans have been hearing this pretty much since he’s been here. He had a chance to leave when he was a free agent last time and didn’t when the team wasn’t nearly as good as it is now so, why would he leave now?

According to all you Wizards fans he sucks anyways and is overrated so, why do you care if he stays or leaves? Don’t Wizards fans have bigger worries with Arenas suspended, Butler gone, Haywood gone, and Jamison on his way out?

by CAVS R BOSS on Feb 15, 2010 9:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Lebron is the most physically talented guy in the NBA

He could potentially turn any team into a top 5 team in the league and those points can’t be argued. Those aren’t things I would say about someone who I think “sucks”. Overrated however, yeah that’s fair. He is not in the realm of greatest player ever as I hear people say he is. If I wanted a championship I would take Kobe or even D-wade over your guy. And my reasoning there just comes down to some late game intangibles and down right class. Lebron’s late-game, post-season successes are a 3-pointer against Orlando(in a series they lost), some 1st rd shots against my guys(sob)(and please don’t start on that), and barrage of easy shots against Detroit in the 4th and OT(easily the most impressive, due to his consistency)(oh by the way, took his team to a sweep and the least watched finals ever, the next series). He is usually missing shots in that last 4 minutes to the last minute of the game that put him in a situation to sometimes make that last second shot. Which is something his competition(Kobe) does extremely well, put the game out of reach before the last seconds, or even last minutes.

Dear Mr. Grunfeld,
I apologize, on behalf of all Wizards fans, for whatever it is we did to you.

by returnofswagger on Feb 16, 2010 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

He is usually missing shots in that last 4 minutes to the last minute of the game that put him in a situation to sometimes make that last second shot. Which is something his competition(Kobe) does extremely well, put the game out of reach before the last seconds, or even last minutes.

That is pure and utter bullshit. You have absolutely no facts to back up that statement. Please go away if you’re just going to make stuff up to smear LeBron.

by Buckeye Brad on Feb 16, 2010 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I do believe LeBron has the most points in the 4th quarter, either this year or last, maybe both.

by talonk on Feb 16, 2010 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow, you are sooooo funny.

by Buckeye Brad on Feb 15, 2010 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

This is going to be a tense few days until the deadline or until somebody pulls the trigger.

I can only imagine what Danny and Gilbert are going through with so much on the line.

I'm Polish...what's your excuse?

by Juannieboy on Feb 15, 2010 12:37 PM CST reply actions  

I remember listening to Ferry on Rizzo’s show a couple weeks ago. The subject of Leon Powe was brought up. I can’t remember exactly what he said, but it was along the lines of the Cavs being “hopeful” that Powe could produce this year. I got the distinct impression that they weren’t counting on anything from him this year. If he produced, it would be a bonus. I think this is one of the reasons why they’re pressing so hard for a big trade.

by nosey313 on Feb 15, 2010 12:50 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah I think they were looking at going into next season potentially without Z or Shaq since both are not under contract and both could consider retiring. Andy seemed like the default center with the powerfoward position being limited to someone like Hickson. So Powe could be counted on next year and at a great value contract wise. I also think they’re hopeful that Powe will provide a defensive option come playoff time at the PF and C positions. For instance, we saw in the most recent Orlando game that, once Shaq was limited due to foul trouble, Mike Brown went to Hickson to guard Dwight Howard, I imagine those minutes go to Powe come playoff time as Hickson (assuming he’s still on the team) or Amare/Jamison/Murphy aren’t going to be able to help out in such a case.

by hans on Feb 15, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I just don’t understand why we would mess with the team we have. We have the best record in the league and we’re finally beating the elite teams…even on the road. Why do we need Stoudemire? How can we be so sure that it would make us better?

I think we should just wait until the offseason to start making moves. I love the team how it is.

Hey... Cleveland happens.

by zdub1983 on Feb 15, 2010 1:05 PM CST reply actions  

I think another problem is that we won’t be able to make a move like this in the off season. Or at least it will be harder. Anyone correct me if I’m wrong, but the days of signing a free agent like Bosh next summer are over, right? If we want a second All Star for LBJ, it would have to be now via trade. At least that’s my understanding.

by nosey313 on Feb 15, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

That is pretty much correct. There is potential for sign-and-trades, but this is not to be counted on and not very likely. We have tradable assets in Z/Shaq/Wally right now that we will not have this offseason nor during next season. Considering that Shaq/Z are at the “end of the line”, Ferry has to consider how he will construct his front court beyond this year, and it doesn’t seem that their will be enough flexablility to do so this offseason or next season. We have Andy, Powe, Hickson, and Darrell Jackson comprising our front court next year at this point. You can see the need to consider a move now that will help add to that part of the team.

by hans on Feb 15, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I do agree that we will need to address the frontcourt for next season, but we don’t HAVE to do it via trade. Like you said… Z, Shaq, and Wally are all off the books next year so doesn’t that free up a lot of money to go get someone in this upcoming huge free agent class?

Hey... Cleveland happens.

by zdub1983 on Feb 16, 2010 7:33 AM CST up reply actions  

The Cavs are already way over the salary cap so those expiring contracts don’t put them very far under the cap. If they resign LeBron they won’t be able to afford any other big free agents.

by Buckeye Brad on Feb 16, 2010 8:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Problem is the Cavs ability to make moves in the offseason will be very limited. They won’t have Z’s expiring contract for trades and they are already over the cap for next year.
So, if they don’t make a move it’s doubtful they can make a significant move in the offseason and would probably not be able to have the ability to get someone until next years trade deadline.

by CAVS R BOSS on Feb 15, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

How are they already over the cap for next year when LeBron, Z, Shaq, and Wally all have contracts that expire this offseason? I’m not arguing…maybe I’m just missing something?

Hey... Cleveland happens.

by zdub1983 on Feb 16, 2010 7:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Please see this site (HoopsHype) for the Cavs salaries for next season

As you can see, we are at $50M for next season already, with the cap projected to be betweeen $50.4 and 53.6M. That is with Shaq and Z both coming off the books.

I know what your next statement will be. “But you can’t count LeBron’s $17.1M if he opts out.” Unless the Cavs renounce him (which believe me, they won’t do), his salary actually counts as his maximum salary as a 6th/7th year player, or $16.2M. [as far as I can tell, am by no means a cap expert. – here is an excellent site with lots of cap questions answered].

Also, I believe we always have to have 12 players count against the cap. So, if we only had 9 guys under contract, they prorate some number for the missing 3 players as well.

by talonk on Feb 16, 2010 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

The “pro-rated” amount is the rookie minimum salary or about $500,000 for next year
nice to see someone using these sites to educate himself

by cavslandrocks on Feb 16, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks

thanks for the explanation…

Hey... Cleveland happens.

by zdub1983 on Feb 17, 2010 8:08 AM CST up reply actions  

we had the best record last year too. Theres no way we can pass up Amare gift-wrapped to us. We shouldn’t make a deal to make a deal, but c’mon how do you turn down Hickson for Amare?

by iwearmocs on Feb 15, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Trade

Stoudamire has zero defence………. you can expect he’ll let any good team put up another 20 to 25 points in a game. The Cavs are all about defence which everybody knows win champships. This would be a great deal for the other guys.
Get a young rising star that was a James student for a full summer.
A guy that Barkley raved about and ESPN said was destin to be an All star and give up a over paid player that thinks hes great and disers to be payed way more than he’s worth..
When James talk about a trade, he had no idea that in would include the guy he worked so hard on and hoped to have as part of his team.
Ferry is throwing knives and ones in James back…………….

by Ralph C on Feb 15, 2010 3:17 PM CST reply actions  

What? for your what?

I am not endorsing his opinion in any way, but the bloke seems to be making a coherent point. What don’t you understand, sir? Maybe I can be of service or even the OP himself?

Canadian Cavalier (or bandwagon fan if you purists must insist)

by Lex L. on Feb 15, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

You call that coherent?

by rockemsockem on Feb 15, 2010 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

O

Wait, I see what you mean. Are you talking about grammatical errors? But besides that, I can see where he is heading.

Canadian Cavalier (or bandwagon fan if you purists must insist)

by Lex L. on Feb 15, 2010 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

hes great and disers to be payed way more than he’s worth..

by rockemsockem on Feb 16, 2010 12:21 AM CST up reply actions  

This we have a great team now nonsense has to stop. It was the same thing people said last year when the Cavs were trying to make a play for Shaq. Make the trade already.

by Cols714 on Feb 15, 2010 9:06 PM CST reply actions  

This team is much, much better than last year’s team and can match up much better with the Lakers and the Magic. That’s been proven already.

by Buckeye Brad on Feb 15, 2010 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed

a trade might be what is needed to maintain, but if no trade occurs, this team is capable of winning it all and JJ will become a very good player regardless of where he plays…For all we know the Amar’e trade might be a prelude to something even better in the off season

by cavslandrocks on Feb 16, 2010 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

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