Deepest team in the NBA
by Jeff at the BBC on Feb 18, 2010 9:38 AM CST
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Heading into tonight's game against Denver, there are still a few questions that need answered about the lineup,
- Is Antawn Jamison going to be in uniform and ready to play tonight? (Brian Windhorst from the PD reports "no", but the official word isn't in yet)
- Is Leon Powe going to be activated
- How much longer before Mo Williams returns to full speed?
- Is Delonte West fully recovered?
We won't get those answers for at least a few hours, so let's travel into the future....oh, say about a week and a half.
On March 1st, barring any injuries or major issues, this is what the lineup will look like;
STARTERS
- LeBron James
- Shaquille O'Neal
- Antawn Jamison
- Mo Williams
- Anthony Parker
BENCH
Look over that lineup again. It brings warm, fuzzy feelings, doesn't it?
This team is so deep, that there isn't room on the 12-man roster for Danny Green, Darnell Jackson, or even our newest acquisition, Sebastian Telfair.
There are eleven players on our active roster who can (and would) start for a lot of teams in the NBA. All 12 have actually started games in the league.
We're as deep as we've ever been, and we've got two months to get it all clicking to perfection and make a run at the NBA Championship.
Damn, it feels good.
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While Parker is playing well
I’d tempted to move Lebron to the SG and Start both Hickson and Jamison. Jamison can step out and shoot like a SF and Hickson/Shaq have been a deadly combo.
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 18, 2010 9:58 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Wow...
I actually kind of like that idea, but only when the opposition doesn’t have a highly offensive-oriented SF e.g. Paul Pierce, Rudy Gay, or Carmelo Anthony.
by Tiny iZ Boss on Feb 18, 2010 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
Big Z buyout
I know it’s not a sure thing…but think about the buyout and subsequent resigning of Big Z. That doesn’t even leave room on the roster for Jawad. That would be one of the best and deepest front courts of the past decade.
One of the best and deepest front courts of the decade?
Maybe 5-7 years ago when Shaq and Z werent shadows of themselves. Its not even the best or deepest front court this season. Boston has Perkins, Sheed, Big Baby and KG, Utah has Okur, Boozer, and Milsap both teams are atleast even if not deeper and better than Cle. The Lakers front court is by far more talented and versatile then Cle is. Gasol, Bynum and Odom trump Varejao, Hickson, Jamison, Shaq, Powe (who hasnt even played a game) and even Big Z. Bynum, Odom and Gasol all have better stats then all of Clevelands bigs except maybe Jamison, whose numbers arent on par with Gasols. The difference is Jamisons defense this season has been by far his worst season and his stats have been put up on a noncontender missing its best player for the large majority of the season.. If you think this front court is one of the best this last decade you need to take off the rose colored glasses. This whoe article actually is homerism at its best if you really think a bench with underachievers (Moon, Gibson), small time bench players (Jawad, JJ), unreliable headcases (West) and centers past thier primes (Z, Shaq) along with the fact that your starting PG hasnt played in a month. Atleast Jamison gives you a 3rd player averaging double figures in points. The lakers have 5 with Fisher, Farmar and Brown all averaging more than 7 PPG. But ya go ahead and tell yourself Cle has the deepest team in the league, I bet you think Lebrons staying this offseason also, Right?
interesting....
While talking about the frontcourts of the NBA, you kept leaving one name off the Cavaliers frontcourt.
LeBron James.
He is in our frontcourt, you know….
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by Jeff at the BBC on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
By the way....
Atleast Jamison gives you a 3rd player averaging double figures in points.
Jamison gives us four players in double-figures.
But you didn’t think we’d check, did you?
Also, our starting point-guard…who hasn’t played in a month, as you reminded us….was injured when we beat you.
We’re undefeated without our starting PG, but you think that DOESN’T make us deep?
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by Jeff at the BBC on Feb 18, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe I should brush up on basic arithmetic, but...
Since when is 7 PPG double figures? CLE has 9 players averging 7 PPG.
Atleast Jamison gives you a 3rd player averaging double figures in points. The lakers have 5 with Fisher, Farmar and Brown all averaging more than 7 PPG.
It’s double figures if you use Base 6. Or, perhaps, he means double fingers, in which you have to count on both hands.
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by woodsmeister on Feb 18, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And it’s triple figures if you use Base 2!
by Buckeye Brad on Feb 18, 2010 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
Hey about that lakers frontcourt
While Pau Bynum and Odom are stuffing the statline..
the Cavs lineup of Shaq, Z, Jamison, Varejao, Hickson, and Powe will be spending plenty of time on the bench. There stat lines might not look so spectacular but they will always have fresh legs so they can come in and continue to be part of the best defensive team in the league.
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But ya go ahead and tell yourself Cle has the deepest team in the league, I bet you think Lebrons staying this offseason also, Right?
Yawn. I thought you made a few points until you pulled out that tired line. Exactly how the hell could you be so certain what Lebron is going to do before seeing how the season plays out?
…You CAN’T.
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by johnnyphoenix on Feb 18, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure they would cut Darnell Jacksoon before Jawad.
by CAVS R BOSS on Feb 18, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
Wouldn't have to cut either....
They can stay inactive and on the 15-man roster, if I’m not mistaken.
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by Jeff at the BBC on Feb 18, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
I was talking about to make room for Z if he comes back. I actually think they should make a minor deal for a backup center just in case Z doesn’t come back.
by CAVS R BOSS on Feb 18, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
I agree
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Jackson moved for a draft pick today.
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by Jeff at the BBC on Feb 18, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that’s what Windhorst was saying on his twitter he didn’t say any names but, he said he can see the Cavs making a deal to clear a spot for a draft pick.
I’d rather see them deal for a backup center in case the Z thing doesn’t work out. Why not deal with the Kings (just an example) i don’t know their salaries but, they have a couple centers and they are definitely sellers.
by CAVS R BOSS on Feb 18, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
At the beginning of the year I wondered how our backcourt would hold up.
Now I’m wondering how we can play these people. It just won’t be fair to the rest of the NBA. At least before they could say we didn’t have a true PG. Now with Bassey I’m not sure that can even be said. I’m telling you now, this isn’t going to be fair.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
Telfair hasn’t played in a month. If you mean he’s a true point guard in the sense that he can’t shoot or play defense, then yes he is a true point guard, Telfair was nothing more than a salary dump.
by rockemsockem on Feb 18, 2010 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
Probably true that he was a dump but Not every player on a team can be a superstar.
He is young, but experienced and his passing skills are rated rather high. He’s not the shooter Mo is but his ball handling and defense seem to be in high regard. He won’t play until he’s healthy but not a bad player for the Cavs to have in their back pocket. Like I posted earlier.
Take LeBron, Shaq, and Z off this team and it still ranks as a pretty good stable of players to build around. I think this guy was picked up for next year not this year.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 18, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
Gotta love Mo's twitter today!
mogotti2 Beautiful day in Cavs land. The final piece to the puzzle has arrived. They still wouldn’t want to give us love. Don’t worry, we gone takeit.
AMEN BROTHER!
Amen
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 18, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
OF course
I don’t like his other twitter comment though getting an MRI on shoulder.
Here it is maybe bad or maybe it’s not if someone knows what crunk means?
mogotti2 Gettn a MRI on my shoulder now as soon as Twan get done. He taking his physical now. I’m crunk, yeah (lil Jon voice)
by CAVS R BOSS on Feb 18, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
They are probably doing an MRI
again to clear him to play.
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 18, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
Mike Brown
He’s pretty funny. He said he keeps going back and forth on wether or not to start Jamison.
Let me help you out Mike, Jamison is way better than JJ. I hope you are being sarcastic. Plus, why trade for someone making 14 mil to sit him on the bench.
Same thing with Shaq you had Z but, you traded for him so you have to start him. I’m sure LeBron will set you straight after 1 game of not starting him.
what are yout talking about,its feb. not june.the cavs need to stop with the pre game show and pase them self! you haven’t won nothin! shaq,williams,will flame out you wont beat a quility team in a 7game serise you never do.james is the man in the regular season! KOBE IS THE MAN WHEN IT COUNT…………LAKER LOVE SEE YOU IN JUNE SOON TOBE 16 STRONG
Translation
What are you talking about? It’s February, not June. The Cavaliers need to stop with the pre-game show and pace themselves. You haven’t won anything. Shaquille O’Neal and Mo Williams will flame out. You won’t beat a quality team in a 7-game series, because you never do. LeBron James is the man in the regular season. Kobe Bryant is the man when it counts. Laker Love, see you in June. Soon to be 16-strong.
There. Now that it’s written in English, we can deconstruct the writers’ intent.
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by Jeff at the BBC on Feb 18, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
looks familiar…Laker Nation is in full fledged DENIAL that the Cavs just got better while their team failed to make a move…Some of the crap I’ve read so far goes to the trade of Z hurting the Cavs because of “karma”…I have a one word answer for that little gem….Kobe
If ever “karma” was going to intervene because of the actions involving one player….need I say more?
by cavslandrocks on Feb 18, 2010 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
Ummmm…… What on earth are you talking about?
It’s ok that you’re scared. You should be. I would respond further but, i speak English maybe you should give it a try.
LOL
Please see the above entry. It makes more sense now.
Of course, it’s still kinda lame contextually, even when placed in proper grammatical form.
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by Jeff at the BBC on Feb 18, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
Cleared Up?
You won’t beat a quality team in a 7-game series, because you never do.
I’m a little slow. I can’t quite get the logic.
No analysis, no facts, no explanation just an opinion that nothing can change.
By that logic the NBA has had the same finals winners every year for the past 50 years. Wait a minute. That isn’t right is it?
What do I know I’m just a Cavs fan.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 18, 2010 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
What he means is (I think), there has been no evidence thus far of them being able to go “all the way” because of their lack of championships.
Which is true – and the Cavs still may not get there this year (Lakers are still better).
by there will be time on Feb 18, 2010 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
Sigh...
(Lakers are still better).
As evidenced by…..what again???
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by Jeff at the BBC on Feb 19, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
what are yout talking about,its feb. not june.the cavs need to stop with the pre game show and pase them self! you haven’t won nothin! shaq,williams,will flame out you wont beat a quility team in a 7game serise you never do.james is the man in the regular season! KOBE IS THE MAN WHEN IT COUNT…………LAKER LOVE SEE YOU IN JUNE SOON TOBE 16 STRONG
I am just terribly, terribly sad to see that our public school system has failed him so badly.
(a single tear escapes— trickling slowly and mournfully down my cheek…)
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by johnnyphoenix on Feb 18, 2010 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
Don't you worry
Clearly this kid is in the 7th grade. He has five more years to learn reading comprehension.
Since he’s a Lakers fan, he’s got 7 or 8 years before graduation is upon him. Freshman year, he’ll get 2 or 3 cracks at passing.
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by Jeff at the BBC on Feb 18, 2010 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah Cavs are pretty deep now...
I will enjoy using them in 2k10 :D
Even moreso.
Oh, give me a break. Let’s not confuse the ability to start on a bad team with a starter. The Cavaliers are still a lot of glorified role players, plus James, Jamison and Mo Williams. If you’re actually calling stiffs like Daniel Gibson and Jamario Moon “starters,” then you’re being really, really flexible in the dictionary department.
The Lakers can still beat the good teams without Bryant. The Cavaliers would even have trouble against the bad teams without James.
Maybe I should correct myself … Moon is a solid 15 minute a game player. But not a starter. Gibson, on the other hand, is a certifiable stiff and was grossly overpaid by Santa Ferry.
But the point is, guys that would play 10 to 15 minutes a game with a good team is not considered a “deep” team. A “deep” team is a team that can win, and win often, without its star. Even with the Jamison trade, that does not describe the Cavaliers.
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