Cavs have the best record in the NBA but are they the best team ?
by Luigi from little Italy on Feb 21, 2010 8:54 PM CST
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PrintThe cavs just came off what seemed liked a 6 month homestand and furthermore when you look back at the schedule,it always seems like when they play one of the better teams, that particular team was coming in to Cleveland playing the second of back to back games. For example prior to today, both times Cleveland played Orlando, Orlando was playing the second of back to back games and 4 games in 5 nights and back to back games and 3 games in 4 nights the other time while the cavs were rested on both occasions.
When the cavs played one of the elite teams this year that were not playing back to back games they have lost a lot of those games, Orlando today, Denver the other day, and Dallas earlier this year.
Did the NBA do everyting possible this year to make sure the Cavs and the Lakers were going to have the best records in the NBA and perhaps an easier path to the finals ?
Is the Cavs record a product of a really weak eastern conferance to go along with friendly schedule making or are they really the best team ?
Sure people will point out that the Cavs have a winning record against the western conferance but what if for example Denver, LA, or Dallas played in the east and played the cavs schedule and the cavs played in the west playing one of their schedules ? Would Denver, LA, Dallas have a similar record to what the cavs record is now ? Would the cavs record be just as good if they were playing more games against the west day in and day out versus constantly playing against sub .500 eastern teams ?
Should be an interesting rest of the season and playoffs this year.
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By the way, the reason the Cavs had so many home games in February is because they had the most road games of any team in the NBA over the first three months of the season. The Cavs get 41 home games just like everyone else in the league so you can stop the ridiculous conspiracy theories.
yeah. and they dominated those games on the road. they have the 2nd best road record in the league.
I think, including this game now, out of those 41 games we have played 29.
we have more games at home left BECAUSE of all the road games. we also got most of the tough road games out of the way now.
That he is right in saying
that you have an easier end of year schedule. Not that it counters the strength of the beginning of your schedule, just that he had a point in how your schedule ends.
He never said the Cavs have an easier end of the year schedule.
by Buckeye Brad on Feb 22, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
I took it
from his statement about their latest homestand that has happened since the halfway point of the season.
btw
I don’t think its conspiracy, its just an observation of schedules. People say the same about the Lakers early schedule being mostly home games, but discount their latest stretch of games where they played three weeks of hell. 13 games in 21 days. No more than a day between games for the majority of the trip. Even more telling 18 games in 26 days from the halfway point of January up to the All star break. So I’m with you that its not conspiracy. Just think the end of the schedule is easier because of the way it started.
Yes, the end of the schedule is easier, but I don’t think that’s what he was saying. He was saying that the Cavs have an easier schedule overall because of some NBA conspiracy. I don’t see where he qualified his statement to relate only to the later part of the schedule.
by Buckeye Brad on Feb 22, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
I took it from the last line
where he said “Should be an interesting rest of the season and playoffs this year” and from the first line “The cavs just came off what seemed liked a 6 month homestand” which happened in the second half of the season. He never qualified it, but I took it as such.
I was not saying it was a conspiracy. I was just saying that our first half of the schedule was pretty tough…or is this thread from my comment directed not at me…I am really confused.
It was
I was just saying that because of the difficulty of the beginning of your schedule it would indeed make the end easier as I interpreted the way whoever wrote this a different way. I thought he was referring to how the rest of the season would pan out, while only vaguely pointing out instances of the schedule. But yeah no conspiracy everyone has different strength to their schedule.
The write of this article is definitely saying the NBA is trying to make the schedule easier for the Cavs and Lakers by having them play good teams on the end of back-to-backs (as if the Cavs never do this). I don’t know how you can say anything otherwise.
And, no, he wasn’t referring to only the end of the schedule.
by Buckeye Brad on Feb 22, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
This whole post should just be deleted, anyways. It’s just a troll who came here to whine about the Cavs.
by Buckeye Brad on Feb 22, 2010 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
No, this discussion wasn’t about you, this was about the person who wrote the post.
by Buckeye Brad on Feb 22, 2010 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
Wait, every team plays the same number of home and road games? I didn’t know that.
by hans on Feb 21, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Buckeye Brad please point out one lie concerning my post ? I posted all facts and asked hypothetical questions.
Jeff Phelps stated in a recent Cavs game that the cavs played the most games against teams that came to Cleveland playing the second game of a back to back schedule.
The specific teams and games I mentioned concerning Orlando and the other teams are factual in that they did play those games on back to back nights and the loses I mentioned were in games when the teams were not playing back to back nights.
They also just came off the longest homestand in the NBA this year. Yes all teams play the same amount of home games and yes the cavs have played a lot of road games but I pointed out accurately that they have had the longest homestand and have played a lot of good teams coming off back to back nights while they were rested. Again this is simply pointing out a fact.
Why get bent out of shape when I simply ask is their good record a product of the scheduling and the fact that they play in a very poor conferance or are they really that good?
by Luigi from little Italy on Feb 21, 2010 11:00 PM CST reply actions
You "convienently ignored" some other facts
- The LA Lakers lost to the Cavs twice. Both times, they had two days rest prior to their games against Cleveland.
- The Cavaliers played back-to-back games in Orlando and Miami this year (November 11 and 12). They won both, without whining about how unfair it is.
Also, your theories on the Cavs playing in the Eastern conference do not diminish the fact that we are still 19-6 against the West, BY FAR the best record of any team vs. that conference. Your weak-ass argument about how much harder it is to play evevry game in that conference falls short…..because the average record of the West is only three games better than the average East record.
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by Jeff at the BBC on Feb 22, 2010 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
Conspiracy theorists think up their conspiracy theories by ignoring facts that don’t match their opinion. Instead of looking at the facts and then coming to a conclusion they dream up a conclusion they like and then pick and choose facts to make themselves sound right.
by CavsLebronFan on Feb 22, 2010 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
There heads are in their @$$.
I swear for every Cavs fan there are two haters! Why the hate, its not like we dominate pro sports or anything. Let us enjoy this already! Haters, go talk about the Yankees or the Patriots anything but leave us in Cleveland alone already!
LeBron was unavailable for the picture, had to go with Sherry instead! Damn my luck!
Rashard and Ryan Anderson missed the first game
So there was no stretch 4 for the Magic. They did come off of back-to-backs as you said but regardless, the Cavs are a top 2 team by both record and roster. Getting Jamison makes them even more dangerous. The Magic or a healthy Boston can still beat them in a 7 game series but you have to favor the Cavs in those series just as you favor LA over the Nuggets, Mavs, Jazz & Thunder. The Magic & Nuggets have the best chance to spoil a Lakers vs Cavs Finals.
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excuses excuses excuses
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by Jeff at the BBC on Feb 22, 2010 8:07 AM CST up reply actions
Was this supposed to be sarcastic?
You seriously don’t question the validity of those first 2 games given that 1 was without the starting & backup 4 and the other was on the end of a back-to-back that had them playing 4 games in 5 nights? LMAO @ you.
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Why again was Rashard Lewis out?
Because he CHEATED during the playoffs last year and used an enhancement drug. He was SUSPENDED and therefore NOT a member of your team.
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by Jeff at the BBC on Feb 22, 2010 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Suspension doesn't mean you're not on the team
Suspension means you can’t play, but you’re still on the roster. So he was still a member of the team. And I don’t remember the specifics of the case, but didn’t he by an OVC prescription or something like that.
Furthermore
There is no column for “losses on the seond night of a back-to-back”. You play the games, and you win or lose. No excuses afterwards.
You lost, the losses count, and that’s it. Anything else is just an excuse.
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by Jeff at the BBC on Feb 22, 2010 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
People often
write off the second night of a back-to-back against good teams and even lousy teams, if the competition was hard enough in the first game. It is well-documented that they’re more difficult for the team playing them, and teams usually do get a pass for them. Thats why its impressive when people win a good share of them.
you mean like Cleveland being 9-6 (.600) on the second game of back to backs this year with four more left?..just curious what other team’s records are here, even though it’s not an official stat…They were best in the league last year on these…so yeah it’s an excuse…just not worth bickering over
by cavslandrocks on Feb 22, 2010 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
Idk other team's records
but the Lakers are 9-4 in the second game of back to backs. 3 of those losses coming in which the mountain time change occurred between games.
Wow man, slow your roll
I was bringing up those facts in reference to a playoff series since neither team will be coming off a back-to-back and barring injury Rashard will be playing.
The first regular season game was missing major pieces and the second was as previously mentioned. We don’t see the matchup and we can’t truly judge the Magic’s performance under those circumstances. The third meeting was the first real look we had at this matchup and it showed that neither team has a clear advantage over the other right now. Each team has strengths and weaknesses so whoever exploits those and executes down the stretch will win. Since the teams are so evenly matched I give the slightest advantage to the team with the best player, LeBron. Whichever team executes down the stretch will advance to the Finals.
Rashard’s banned substance was an OTC (Over The Counter) supplement. GNC has the best steroids on the market.
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o rly?
how was this time fair? cavs were coming off a huge trade and didn’t know how to use antawn and have to learn how to play without a 7 footer center for the first time this season
Jamison went 9-14
If he went 0-12 again then you have a better point but this is the closest thing to go by for now. Rotations & cuts will improve but he’s not going to put up 19 pts on 14 FGA all series and sustain that 64% FG. Floppy is 6:-11" so he’s a capable 5 as far as height.
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Messed up rotations and Mo coming back from an injury?
Mo won’t shoot 1-9 again, and cavs are still trying to learn what works and which plays are most efficient, plus there is NO WAY u can believe varejao can defend howard by himself, it will be insanely different when we get Z back and powe gets healthy, you said shard was missing first game we played u guys, well, we are pretty much missing 2 players right now, didnt see it that way did u?
actually he might…he’s had a few horrific games this year…a 3-13 just before he was injured comes to mind..but overall it balances out
by cavslandrocks on Feb 22, 2010 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
Powe
hasn’t played post-injury yet to show his contributions, unlike the contributions you know you would get from Shard had he played since he hasn’t been injured, and there’s no guarantee you get Z back so it really isn’t the equivalent of missing two people.
This is a Joke
Take a look at last years schedule- We had a bunch of back to back games and we had the best record. find something else to complain about.
Cavs the best?.....
…..at the moment probably not, fortunately for us we have until late june to prove all of that “best” talk so i think we should be ok even with a few losses.
I for one am glad that we struggled a bit with Jamison, it shows that we are actually trying to figure this whole thing out! its part of the growing process and at least we have a chance NOW! to grow together with all of our players healthy including Powe.
I have been watching basketball for most of my life, i have been playing it since i was 7 yrs old, i love this game just as much as the next guy and i get worried, stressed, mad and everything else when my favorite team is losing…just as much as anybody else.
But this Cavaliers team is far from done, it was far from being done even without Jamison! they are still trying to figure out how to use every single bit of resource they have and thats pretty scary when in comparison with their record because this means that this “frankenstein” Cavaliers team that is still learning to walk and talk, can beat any team in the NBA before it can realize its full potential and that is pretty frikkn scary to the rest of the league.
Everybody can say what they want about this Cavs team, they can bring up Lebron leaving, they can bring up Shaqs age and the Jamison deal as a bad decision, but what is really on everyone’s minds is that they do NOT want to play this team come playoff time, they do NOT want to face this team in the Finals….nufff said…..all the talk is just senseless mutterings of fans, players, teams, coaches, GM’s and Owners alike, taking one last breath before the winds of change takes it away.
"minds sharpens minds, like steel sharpens steel"
I actually think on paper, they could arguably be considered
the best. Statistically, they’re one of the best 3-pt shooting teams. They have their superstar. They have their center, a stretch 4, and a pretty deep bench, even considering injuries, not to mention above average guards. This is a very good team. By not even considering them the best it gives you that underdog mentality of oh we’re gonna knock people off, but they are if anything 1b, with the Lakers being 1a just because people will always hold onto the notion that the championship goes through the previous champion and because the Lakers, on paper, are more talented in the starting lineup.
Moon should be allowed to
play more…I still dont get why Moon doesn’t get to play more. He is pretty good defensively. Also, why are they not playing Powe at least. Lets see what he can do.
by inquisitiveman on Feb 23, 2010 11:23 PM CST reply actions
Moon is put in the 8 man rotation against New Orleans. Jawad is not. It worked.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 24, 2010 7:22 AM CST up reply actions
So Z has to wait till March 1st to return?...
or is it 30 days after his buyout? If he is suppose to be bought out this week, then it will near the end of March before he returns.
by inquisitiveman on Feb 23, 2010 11:25 PM CST reply actions
I read where it is 30 days after the trade was finalized.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 24, 2010 7:21 AM CST up reply actions
That is a rare day when I am correct at anything
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 25, 2010 8:23 AM CST up reply actions
Here is a reprint of the article I read saying the opposite.
When the Cavaliers acquired Antawn Jamison they got rid of Zydrunas Ilgauskas, but it appears the chances of him landing back in Cleveland are getting higher by the day. Today the Washington Wizards bought outthe remainder of his contract and then proceeded to waive him. Z, as he is well-known as around the league, isn’t definitely returning to Cleveland just yet. His agent says that he expects to hear from at least half a dozen teams around the NBA. Sign up at Sportsbook.com and receive a 50% initial deposit bonus.
Complicating the process a little bit is the fact that Ilgauskas could resign with the Cavaliers, but he would have to wait for 30 days from the trade date.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 25, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
Here, final word
(g) If a Team trades a player and the assignee Team subsequently terminates the Player’s Contract, the assignor Team shall not be permitted to sign the player to a new Contract until at least thirty (30) days have passed following the date all conditions to the trade were satisfied (or until at least twenty (20) days have passed in the case of a trade that occurs during the period from the last day of a Season through the first day of the following Regular Season).
Direct from the CBA.
http://66.113.231.191/cba_articles/article-VII_8.php
by rockemsockem on Feb 25, 2010 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
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