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Trade Talk Heating Up for Cavaliers

Big Z seems to be the focal point of any trade the Cavaliers might make (AP Photo/Tony Dejak)

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Big Z seems to be the focal point of any trade the Cavaliers might make (AP Photo/Tony Dejak)

We still have two weeks, and an All-Star Break, before the NBA Trade Deadline and the flurry of activity that comes with it arrives.  For the Cavaliers, however, they are crunching their time frame a bit - so says Brian Windhorst of The Plain Dealer.

I have been pining for the Cavaliers to make a deal sooner, rather than later, if in fact a deal was going to be made.  Easier said than done, no doubt, since the Cavaliers are hoping to give teams financial relief instead of talent for talent in any deal.  That means that teams are likely to hold out for the best deal possible - a situation that usually goes down to the last minute on Deadline Day.

As Windhorst points out, the Cavaliers take team chemistry very seriously, and will take it into account with any deal - 

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With Mo Williams, Delonte West and Leon Powe all scheduled to return from injuries right at or shortly after the All-Star break, there's a feeling the Cavs want to make a move sooner rather than later to limit the turbulence to the roster with so many players coming back and roles changing.

The Cavs are usually quite conscious of team chemistry and consider it before making any move.

I agree. It is hard to mess with the chemistry of a team that has won 9 straight games, has the best record in the NBA(39-11) and is doing so with 2 major pieces injured.  The comeback of Leon Powe could also be looked at as a trade acquisition since Powe has yet to play this season.  If he can come back healthy, Powe will add energy off the bench, and he's a solid interior defender.  You can never have too many of those guys.

Of course, there are those that still want the Cavaliers to make a deal, specifically for Antawn Jamison.  According to Ken Berger of CBSSports, Jamison is still in play, and he says the driving force for a deal is LeBron James himself - 

It's been well documented that the Cavaliers' infatuation with Antawn Jamison has been rekindled. What's been underplayed is the reason behind it: LeBron James is the one driving the team's pursuit of Jamison, according to a source, and Cavs GM Danny Ferry - as usual - is trying to appease the King.

Obviously LeBron does have a huge influence - literally and figuratively - behind any decision the Cavaliers make, but with the uncertainty around what LeBron will do this summer, the Cavaliers have to look deeper.  They have to start looking at what the plan will be if LeBron does leave.

Right now, all these rumors are just that, rumors.  If Windhorst is right - and he usually is pretty damn close - pay close attention as we head towards the All-Star Break.

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Go out and get Antawn Jamison. This team is good, no doubt, but get LeBron someone to play with that is more than a role player.

Also, I know there is some emotional attachment to Z, and while I’d love to keep him around, face it: he’s basically our #3 big man behind Shaq and Varejao.

by Western Reserve on Feb 3, 2010 10:04 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I don’t think there’s anyone out there worth blowing this chemistry we have built up and become comfortable with over the course of the season. Remember that questioning feeling we had in the beginning of the season, when the Cavs were still trying to figure themselves out with the new additions. Why do that all over again?

I’m positive that we have a championship caliber team right now, with great chemistry, and everyone knowing where they stand.

Play this year out (which I see ending in a championship), then make a move in the off-season.

by Simmsinns on Feb 3, 2010 10:09 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I just don’t think ‘chemistry’ is a good enough reason not to go out and get a great — or at least a very, very good — player. At the beginning of the year, we brought in multiple new players; this would be merely a single addition. Some commentators suggested LeBron and Shaq could have some on court, alpha male tension. Didn’t happen. Players that come to Cleveland come to play for LeBron’s team — he is the master, no questions asked.

Go out and get a guy like a 21 PPG, 9 RPG Jamison and give the King a real sidekick that is a scoring threat and All-Star in his own right. I think it makes an already good team better.

by Western Reserve on Feb 3, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

An addition as major as that requires an entire reconstruction of the chemistry. It ripples through the entire bench. A lot of players will have new roles to play, and will have to find them all over again. They’ll have to see where they stand in the new lineup. Mike Brown we’ll have to find our best rotation, through trial and error.

I don’t at all, see it as a problem with egos or anything, by any means. I agree, with LeBron on this team, every other players’ ego is in check. It’s more of just a rebuilding of chemistry and rhythm that is required when adding a player of that magnitude.

Will it make this team better in the long run? Yes. Is it required? No.
What it comes down to me is if and only if the right deal comes around. I mean, like a steal. Someone begging for Z and his contract, and offering a deal we cannot refuse. Otherwise, I just don’t see it worth all that.

Giving up Z and cash for Jamison, I say take it. Throwing in talent, such as JJ for Amar’e, I say absolutely not.

by Simmsinns on Feb 3, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I think we are largely in agreement at the end of the day. My opinion still varies slightly on the level of disruption a new player would bring. I think we could easily get away with plugging a new star into the lineup with only minor issue — but a whole lot to gain.

You could be absolutely right about this year being the year. My biggest concern is just the memory of last year where we sort of got lulled to sleep by having such a good team, the 66-16 record and talk of team chemistry that we didn’t seem to expect a team like Orlando sneaking up on us.

by Western Reserve on Feb 3, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

While chemistry is good…with Powe, West, and Williams coming back, why not try to unload Z for someone who will help this year? It opens up space to resign LBJ next year and shows him that they are committed to building around him and winning.

by JaredM on Feb 3, 2010 10:23 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think a trade will hurt our cap space coming into the 2010 off-season. Z has a huge cap relieving expiring contract coming along with him.

by Simmsinns on Feb 3, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no worries

Cap space is never something to worry about with Gilbert as the owner. He’s always willing to pay the luxury tax when were over the cap

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by Jeff at the BBC on Feb 3, 2010 3:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Cap space does matter, though. We can go over the cap to sign our own free agents but not other free agents, so if we want to add pieces to our team then having cap space is very important.

by Buckeye Brad on Feb 4, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

even if Shaq and Z are allowed to walk after this season, there is only about 3-5 million (depending on where the cap falls to) to “play with” anyway…A trade or sign and trade is the SMARTEST way to add a high $ contract-and hopefully a high production player-to a cap challenged team..I’m sure that if Ferry/Gilbert had to pay 30 million in tax to get the right player(s), it would happen…the only problem I have with a trade right now is the loss of a big man for 30 days…and the only player I’d be willing to part with permanently is Darnell Jackson…So I guess I’m saying I’m against a trade, which is the way I voted

by cavslandrocks on Feb 3, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I voted no, but if we were gift-wrapped a don’t pass this up, ala Gasol, please do it.

by talonk on Feb 3, 2010 10:31 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Careful about what you ask for.

Part of the strength of the Cavs is the ability to backup one skilled 7’ big (Shaq) with another skilled 7’3" big who can pass, rebound, pick and pop from outside. Starting JJ Hickson gives the Cavs the luxury of bringing in Andy “Energizer Bunny” Varajao for some instant action as the 6th man.

I like what the Shaq/Z combo does to LA, Boston and Orlando, i.e., totally neutralize their bigs.

by mrbobdevo on Feb 3, 2010 11:35 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

That's why...

I think any deal involving Z would have to have some kind of agreement that a buy-out would be coming. Risky, yes, but with the Cavaliers likely sending cash along with Z, it would be worth the risk, for the right player.

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by John Bena (aka CavsBlogger) on Feb 3, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I see you got mentioned (FTS did) on “the Basketball Jones” today for your post about JJ developing from athlete to player…WTG!

by cavslandrocks on Feb 3, 2010 5:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This subject leaves me spinning in circles at this point, to be honest.

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by johnnyphoenix on Feb 3, 2010 2:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

IF it is indeed LeBron spearheading the “get Jamison” talk, then let him be the first to step up and re-sign…or, at the very least, make his intention to public…I’m one of the biggest Cavs fans around and have been for over 30 years, and I’ve come to accept that LeBron is hands down the best to ever wear the Wine and Gold and will become one of the best to ever play, but it’s time for him to take the next step and truly lead and not just dictate

by cavslandrocks on Feb 3, 2010 2:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

True…but that won’t happen as we all know. Jamison is 36 as i recall, and I would like this team to build for more than just 1 championship. I know that sounds rather odd as a Cavs fan, but if Lebron stays we have the tools for greatness for years to come..

"I don’t dance too much." --Mike Holmgren

by johnnyphoenix on Feb 3, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and I agree…I have argued vehemently on other boards against becoming “the Indians of the NBA”…My main focus here is that by making that move, Lebron would potentially give critics one less thing to use as a distraction for the team

by cavslandrocks on Feb 3, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As long as we have LeBron James we’ll be built to compete for championships. For consecutive years we’ve been shuffling players in and out trying to finally create the team that will take Cleveland to the summit. I think a mid-year transaction in this regard would just be another one of those moves. I don’t think winning now would be a detriment to this team’s long-term success.

by Western Reserve on Feb 3, 2010 8:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Without trading players where do the minutes go?

If we trade for Jamison and get Z back in a buyout who’s minutes will Jamison replace?
 JJ Hickson will be relegated to very few minutes on the court. If we trade West, JJ, and Z for Amare Stodemier everyone gets to play and Shaq is backed up by a rotation of Amare and Varejo. Leon Powe can spell the PF position. With Jamison’s age he won’t play more than 2 years. If Amare wins a championship with James it would be hard to imagine both not resigning next year.

Lets assume Shaq and Z both retire after this year. Do you want to be stuck with Jamison’s contract or have the flexibility to rebuild the inside?

Lets say LeBron leaves and both Z and Shaq retire. Are you going to win with West, Mo, JJ, Gibson,and Powe. That is not a team that will beat the Celtics or Orlando or Atlanta.

Have to trade off the players now and get the chance to have Amare and LeBron for years to come. If LeBron doesn’t want to play with Amare then go with Jamison.
IMHO there is no other choice.

Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes

by lifelongvike on Feb 4, 2010 6:43 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

If its not broke, why try to fix it?

We have the best record in the NBA. We have swept the series with the Lakers. We have beaten the Magic, the Celtics, the Hawks, the Heat.. We might not have the record we had last year, but we’re winning BIG games, HUGE games on the road. We have the personnel that can be interchanged to match up with any team in the NBA. You want to play small ball and try to run on us? We’ll put Lebron or JJ at the 4 spot, put Andy at the 5 and run with you. You want to get big on us? Nobody gets bigger than Z, Shaq, LeBron, Moon, and plug whoever at the 1.

Who do we need? What do we need? How will we distribute minutes? I don’t have the stats in front of me, but I’m pretty sure we’re among the league leaders in 3PT%, FG%, OPP FG%.

We’re watching guys like Hickson and Jawad come into their own, finding valuable roles on this team. Boobie is showing that given the minutes, he can also still be a solid backup. Powe is coming back soon and will give us a guy who can rebound and defend while still posing an offensive threat from the 4spot.

Unless someone wants to give us a young stud all-star caliber 4man for Z or JJ and some cashmoney, FOGETABOUTIT!!!!!!!!!

Hey... Cleveland happens.

by zdub1983 on Feb 4, 2010 7:30 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Don't get me wrong. I really like this team. The Chemistry and flexibility is great.

But the premise of the article was that LeBron is looking at wanting Jamison. So I have to assume a trade is possible. The truth is that when it comes crunch time the team shows nothing. LeBron has the ball and has to drive, drive and pass, or shoot the jumper. No one moves well without the basketball and Shaq can’t shoot free throws. A power forward like Jamison or Amare that can make their own shot from the 17’ line in gives us way more firepower in the last quarter.
The second point is that if James does not come back will you need a player like Jamison on the roster to make a decent team next year.

Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes

by lifelongvike on Feb 4, 2010 10:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that the team shows nothing in crunch time. But just like I said…if it isn’t broke, don’t fix it. We are winning games in crunch time. When we start losing games in the final minutes because of Boobie, Mo, Delonte, Shaq, Moon, etc missing clutch shots, then I’ll say “man we need another go-to guy” ….that hasn’t happened.

Also, in the case that James doesn’t come back, I don’t want Jamison. He is 36. If LeBron doesn’t come back, then we go after the next biggest name Wade, then its Amar’e or whoever else I forget who all is free next year. If LeBron leaves we look to young talent, not 36 yr old guys who might have one or two more good years in them.

That said, the only thing I’d even consider in a trade would be young talent, or Jamison for practically nothing.

Hey... Cleveland happens.

by zdub1983 on Feb 4, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

All excellent points.

The only problem is that the trade deadline might not correspond to your schedule of waiting until we miss clutch shots. Like I said I like this team. But I really want to build what LeBron is looking for. If anyone knows who makes good chemistry with him it should be LeBron.

Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes

by lifelongvike on Feb 4, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A couple points to be made here ….

First, we have not beaten the Celtics yet this season. We only played them opening night, we have three meetings with them left.

We might not have the record we had last year

If you hadn’t noticed, we do have the exact same record after 50 games as we did last year. Plus we are beating the elite teams, unlike last season.

Finally, the point of doing a trade would be to set us up for a continued run over the next few seasons. As the team is currently constructed, we have a decent chance of winning it all this season. However, as has been noted, we do lose both Z and Shaq in the off-season, although one or both might come back on reduced contracts. If we did a deal for Amare, Jamison, etc, the idea would be to cover us going forward in the upcoming years.

by talonk on Feb 4, 2010 12:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless LeBron, Shaq, and Z all leave after the season there is NOTHING to get anyone with..There is only one way to improve this team NOW and that is by trade…the preferred method being to use the expiring contracts of Z or Shaq, but only if there is a “handshake deal” to buy either out..If the Cavs “go old” then it has to be for another expiring contract so the Cavs have some wiggle room in the off season…The Ideal situation of TOR or MIA tanking hasn’t occurred so there will likely not be another “superstar” playing beside LeBron in the near future…even four more losses would never convince MIA to trade DWade to anyone let alone a Conference rival and TOR and PHX are solidly in playoff contention…AND now that Amare’ has said he might pick up his option that will likely keep him in PHX next year, or at least through this year…I’d have to go with the “If it ain’t broke, just leave it alone” way of thinking on this one..there are 5 more games to see if they can sustain what we saw vs MEM before any trigger needs to be pulled…At least wait until they play ORL next week…UNLESS it’s trade now or lose out

by cavslandrocks on Feb 4, 2010 6:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes you’re right. I realized it later on.

But we can do a deal for Amare in the offseason. I’m not big on Jamison because of his age.

Hey... Cleveland happens.

by zdub1983 on Feb 5, 2010 8:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

“yes you’re right”

I’m referring to the fact that we haven’t played the Celtics yet, and that we have the exact same record as last season up to this point. I was mistaken on both of those.

I still don’t think we should mess with what we have until the offseason. We’re ready now. I’m rolling with who we have…

unless we can re-sign Wally Szczerbiak for the stretch run.

Hey... Cleveland happens.

by zdub1983 on Feb 5, 2010 8:07 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You can’t argue…you know you want to see him dunk the ball just one more time and watch as the Q erupts.

Hey... Cleveland happens.

by zdub1983 on Feb 5, 2010 8:11 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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