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Chris Bosh, enjoy your KG-like career




This may be an unjustified rant, vitriolic garbage, perhaps all of the above. But after watching this, I seem to be developing a bitter taste in my tongue whenever I see or hear Bosh's name.

If you are too lazy to click the link, a Raptors insider says that Bosh is not interested to be the Robin to anyone's Batman. Let us assume there is no subterfuge behind that statement, so as to curtail the "You're too gullible" statements that I am sure some people will throw out. Edit: The video is no longer up, but I said and quoted for realsies.

There are cases in recent and not-so-recent history that either builds the statement as a successful formula for championship contention, or spells doom for the player and franchise.

I present to you 4 cases of power forwards who were given the "franchise player" tags, and their respective results:

Pau Gasol: Drafted by the Atlanta Hawks, his draft rights were subsequently traded to the Memphis Grizzlies in exchange for Shareef Abdur-Rahim, where he flourished into the savvy vet we see today. Hailed as Rookie of the Year and amassing impressive stats (check his wiki, I am not going to spoon feed you), he led the Grizzlies to three playoff appearances, all ending in the first round: sweeps by San Antonio, Phoenix, and Dallas.

Kevin Garnett: Heart and soul of the Celtics triumvirate, he stayed with the Minnesota Timberwolves for 12 seasons, leading the team to eight consecutive playoff appearances, each ending in the first round save the last one, where they lost to the Lakers in the Western Conference Finals.

Charles Barkley: Sir Charles is one of the 50 greatest players in NBA history, but alas, his quest to hold the Larry O' Brien trophy was always foiled by Eastern elites during his tenure in Philadelphia, Michael Jordan while he was a Suns member, and the Utah Jazz during his stay with the Rockets.

Tim Duncan: The lone exception to the failed power-forward-centric team construct, Duncan has won 4 rings, all on odd years. His first came with the assistance of the other half of the Twin Towers, the Admiral, but the 3 recent ones were won with him as the focal point of the squad. Now chasing a 5th championship, another ring on his finger would certainly put him in the discussion of the greatest power forward in the history of the sport, if he is not already in that mix.

So as you can see ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to prognosticate Bosh's chance of capturing a championship with him as the focal point of his team based on the small sample I presented, the odds are not in his favor.

So if indeed this "inside source" is genuine in his statements, please Mr. Bosh, enjoy your first round exits with a smile. If you decide to stay in Toronto for 12 seasons, contrary to your belief that you are Batman, you will always be the Robin to Canada's golden boy, Sydney Crosby. You will always be a sideshow to the center stage attraction, to the most beloved sport of the majority of canucks, hockey. Eat your pride and choose your allegiance with the Flash or the King (most preferably with the King), lest you be labeled as "First Round Fodder" for the majority of your career.

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That’s OK girlfriend…you can still “do your thingon the run-WAY..”.

"I don’t dance too much." --Mike Holmgren

by johnnyphoenix on Feb 5, 2010 8:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

At first I thought, “Tina Turner” ?! Thank Science for Google. RuPaul right? Or am I still wrong.

Canadian Cavalier (or bandwagon fan if you purists must insist)

by Lex L. on Feb 6, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you are correct, sir.

Shaq Calls Bosh RuPaul

Chris Bosh sounded off to the media suggesting, the refs let Shaquille O’Neal get away with numerous lane violations on his way to a 45 point night. Today, Shaq responded as only Shaq could.

    "I heard what Chris Bosh said, and that’s strong words coming from the RuPaul of big men," O’Neal said. "I’m going to do the same thing (in their next meeting) I did before – make him quit. Make ‘em quit and complain. It’s what I do."

"I don’t dance too much." --Mike Holmgren

by johnnyphoenix on Feb 6, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I am hoping that the “inside source” in the video has his/her own agenda to render this post obsolete. And if Bosh decides to come to Cleveland, with Shaq deciding to stay, here’s to hoping that they can bury the hatchet.

Canadian Cavalier (or bandwagon fan if you purists must insist)

by Lex L. on Feb 6, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, if he wants to be the ‘best player’ on the team he’s gonna have to stay on a pretty damn mediocre team then…I wish him luck if that’s the most important issue for him.

"I don’t dance too much." --Mike Holmgren

by johnnyphoenix on Feb 6, 2010 7:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bosh isn’t coming to Cleveland. We won’t have anywhere close to the salary cap space to afford him.

by Buckeye Brad on Feb 6, 2010 9:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Paycuts, Brohio

James has been quoted to say it’s not all about the money for him.

Canadian Cavalier (or bandwagon fan if you purists must insist)

by Lex L. on Feb 7, 2010 3:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha. LeBron can say that but he’s not signing for the minimum.

by Buckeye Brad on Feb 7, 2010 7:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

IF you would like to see how we are doing “financially”, look at Hoops Hype for the salary figures going forward.

We all know LeBron will be opting out, so the total for next year is not the $50.3M shown. However, since the Cavs retain his Bird rights, there is a cap number that applies to the Cavs. Plus you have to add the verteran minimum for any other missing players that make up the 12 man roster.

The Cavs will not have enough room to sign a max player, even if LeBron decides to be generous and take the league minimum. At least under the cap rules that were expelined earlier on this site.

I found this site, not sure if it explains it here though.

by talonk on Feb 7, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

excellent research into this. This also leads me into thinking that a trade of Z’s expiring contract before the deadline is likely, since they will be hardpressed to improve upon the team this offseason apart from the mid-level contract offer they will have (which considering the potential size of the free agent market this offseason can net us someone helpful if not a star player).

Hickson is the key though, if they don’t make a trade it’ll be about not wanting to give him up and not bending to anyones demands.

by hans on Feb 8, 2010 3:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well he’s not coming to Cleveland to play with Lebron, so I’d say that from Cleveland’s standpoint it’s better off that he remains in Toronto and the status quo remains in place in regards to James, Wade, Bosh, and Anthony all being on separate teams.

Also I don’t see it anywhere that Bosh is clammoring to have little if any help on his team like was the case for Garnett in Minnesota (not that Garnett clamored for no help, but that the team was unable to build around him during that time). If surrounded with other good players his team could be good enough to make a run at it. An example would be a team like Utah, you have a similar player in Boozer there with a very good PG and some solid role players (and Millsap who’s good player).

Truth be told is that Bosh isn’t all that great of a player. He was a 12.8 WARP player last season, his defense hasn’t developed and though he has flashy offensive numbers (decent PER for example) his offense isn’t good enough to make up for his lack of defense.

Also, I’d be careful how much of an emotional response you allow yourself to feel about what a “basketball source” says Mr. Bosh thinks. Show me where he is quoted saying this.

….and I don’t think the video is up on ESPN anymore.

by hans on Feb 5, 2010 10:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Sorry on the video, sir

I did not think they would take it down so fast. Another quirk brought to you by ESPN, asides from making you pay to read rumors. But believe me, my ears did dothn’t deceiveth me. I took a step back after watching that video, because of the exact reason you stated: it was from the mouth of a mule, and not the horse itself. But like I said before, I had to assume this was true so I could actually type the post up (Notice the “gullible” disclaimer).

I do not think necessarily that Bosh is asking for just a little help, but he just remain the focal point, like Timmeh. Good job pointing out Boozer, I forgot about him. Kind of surprising to an Ohioan speak well of Boozer, but I digress. I guess I subconsciously left out/forgot Boozer because I had difficulty classifying him, since he kind of works in a Stockton-Malone tandem, where the sum was greater than its parts. Whereas with Duncan, as great as Parker et al is, there is a general “Duncan’s team” vibe to it. If the mule speaks the truth, and assume with me for the sake of argument, that I think is how Bosh wants it.

I think you are right on your “Bosh isn’t all that great of a player” statement. But imagine if he was paired up with D Wade, who is as anal as LeBron on the defensive end. That is going to inevitably rub on Bosh. Hell, look at what LeBron and Mike Brown have done on Anthony Parker and Jamario Moon, who were once teammates of CB4. I am assuming you remember the slow, inconsistent start of the Cavs; during that stretch they were defensive liabilities in the context of a high-standard Cavalier defensive system. The talent was there, they just formed bad habits on bad defensive teams. But slowly, they are working it out. I guess you can say they made enough progress to be decent on the Christmas game and the game that swept it.

I guess my point being that I would rather have Bosh wear a Wine and Gold jersey than be a serious threat with somebody else, with the possibility of him developing that defensive quality he lacks.

Thank you for the feedback, sir.

Canadian Cavalier (or bandwagon fan if you purists must insist)

by Lex L. on Feb 6, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like the way Bosh plays.

He would be an addition to our shooting needs as tight games in the 4th quarter unfold.
Anybody that puts in the time and dedication to Toronto that Bosh has shown is all right in the character area by me. He has never hinted to be traded. He likes Hedo and what that has done for the team. I dismiss this rumor as such. Bosh didn’t mind being a part of the Gold Medal Team. He wouldn’t mind being a part of the Cleveland championship team.

Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes

by lifelongvike on Feb 6, 2010 1:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Patriotic duty?

I agree mostly with the first half of your reply, it is the second half I have my apprehensions with. I think with the Redeem Team, it is more a patriotic duty in their eyes; more for the good of your US of A kind of thing. But with their own respective careers, I feel it may be very different. LeBron could leave next year and join the Lakers, ensuring repeat upon repeat. But will he do it? I strongly believe against it, because that will surely clash against his ego’s desires. I am not saying he is egotistic more than anyone else, it is just human nature.

Canadian Cavalier (or bandwagon fan if you purists must insist)

by Lex L. on Feb 6, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We aren’t going to have the cap space to sign him. We would be able to do a sign and trade perhaps, but of course that’s easier said than done, and not only do you get locked into a long term very expensive contract for a good but not great player, you have to give up something in return.

by hans on Feb 6, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Even if...

James has said before that “it is not all about the money.” Would the Cavs have enough cap if he took a pay cut? I also think that the Cavs have several of what I like to call “expendable luxuries.” Danny Green is one of those in my opinion, as well as JJ Hickson.

Canadian Cavalier (or bandwagon fan if you purists must insist)

by Lex L. on Feb 6, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not very wise when it comes to the cap rules but doesn't Bosh have "bird rights"

which allow us to sign him. Same as Amare and they say we can sign him. Obviously you will have some room with Shaq and Z both having expiring contracts. The question is how are you going to replace your center.
I believe he is one of the few great players that deserves a max contract next year. I can’t imagine how good he and Mo and LeBron would be together for several years.

Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes

by lifelongvike on Feb 6, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah I see that you are talking about “trading” for Bosh before the deadline this year. We don’t have the talent to offer them for Bosh. They also believe (rightly so) that if they are willing to offer him their max deal since they have “Bird rights” on him, they have an advantage over any other team in he cannot sign with anyone else and make more money than he would by staying in Toronto. Trading Bosh because the biased national media demands it, is not going to happen. The only way Toronto entertains the idea of trading Bosh is if they decide they don’t want to pay him a max deal because they determine he isn’t worth that investment (which isn’t that far fetched of an idea). Bosh is being overvalued right now, I’d rather have (gulp) Boozer at a lower cost (not that this is going to happen either).

Amare is a different situation because its doubtful that Phoenix wants to spend the money that Amare wants to sign him (though they have claimed that they will talk about a deal before the deadline that may keep him in Phoenix beyond this season).

I also want to point out that if media types are saying that Toronto should trade Bosh, than there should be an equal if not stronger call for Miami to trade Wade considering Miami is performing worse than Toronto. The point is neither team should trade away their respective star player (like I said, unless they don’t think the player is worth the max contract only they can offer the player), nor will either team make that trade.

Whoever stupidly started the Bynum for Bosh rumors didn’t understand the nature of Bynum’s salary (that his traded salary is half of his actual salary) and this alone should have demonstrated idiocy of such a claim.

by hans on Feb 6, 2010 7:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought we could sign Bosh if he was traded to us.

His “bird” rights flow to us that way. How is it that Toronto wouldn’t want JJ, Gibson, West, Powe, or Green. Surely we have something they need to keep building. But if they don’t take one of our centers we don’t have cap space. I’m glad we have a contender if we do nothing. Takes the pressure of a trade off.

Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes

by lifelongvike on Feb 8, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How is it that Toronto wouldn’t want JJ, Gibson, West, Powe, or Green.

Hickson is the only one of those players that can be considered a player that would “contribute” to a rebuild. Non of them are players to “build” around (not that you are claiming this, per se), but why would Toronto give up a player they do believe they can build around (Bosh) for a group of players of which non of them project to have the ceiling of Bosh. If you are Toronto you roll the dice that he resigns because you offer him the advantage of being payed much more than any other team can, and take your shots at the draft and free agency (mid level) at adding to the team.

If Toronto wasn’t a playoff team this year, then i think there would be motivation to trade Bosh, much like Memphis did with Gasol, as there would be a need to rebuild.

by hans on Feb 8, 2010 5:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bosh a max playa?

Nah i dont think so, dont get me wrong, i think he’s a very, VERY good player. But MAX money??? thats only for elite level players u can build a team around with championship aspirations with them being the focal point of the team. Bosh hasn’t even shown he can get a squad out of the 1st round. I feel he’s more pau gasol than Timmmeh!!!

Now about the article and whether or not the “mule” is a credible source consider this, all professional level athletes by and large have that “Alpha Male Attitude” (or ADA if u will) meaning that they think they’re either good enough to be “DA MAN” or at least be able to do more than what their current role on the team (and in most instances skill set) allows them to do. The tricky part for a franchise and coach is convincing the less talented players to subjugate their game for the betterment of the team and allow the big guns to do the heavy lifting and recognizing whether or not ur best player is actually an elite level player that u can build ur franchise around. The right decision can lead a franchise toward great season with realistic championship aspirations, choose wrongly and you end up with the 6ers, Wiz, and Bucks.

Now onto the Raps and Bosh. Case in point both camps feel that Bosh is a cornerstone franchise player that can be built around so therefore he will get the max contract and “DA MAN” status that so many players in this league covets. And its a much bigger deal than what its being made out to be and is probably the most underrated and under-reported aspect in the “Summer of Lebron” Sweepstakes. Consider this, Robert Horry once said that he’d trade in all his rings for a chance at being “DA MAN”!!!! Now sit back and marinate on that for a min. This dude has like 7 chips, will go down not only as one of the greatest clutch shooters in league history but is also widely recognized as the greatest role player in history for a chance at being Reggie Freakin’ Miller!!! Same with Steve Kerr when he said he’d trade his career with Steve Nash. Being recognized as an elite level player is highly coveted with these players and more than a few of them would gladly give up MULTIPLE RINGS to get that status.

Now is this saying that Bosh would rather be “DA MAN” instead of being a champion? Hell nah, it just means that he would prefer more to be “DA MAN” on said championship squad. And being that he can get paid like an elite level player and have not only a whole team, but an entire country all to himself it would almost seem impossible for him (or Joe Johnson for that matter) to go to another team to be someone else “robin”

by ctown-reprezenta on Feb 6, 2010 4:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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