What's Next? And a Far-fetched Idea
Now that this unpredictable series has finished four games, and has become a best-of-three, what do you think will happen in the next two or three games? Will the Cavaliers figure out a way to keep Rajon Rondo from wreaking havoc on the inside? If so, what in your opinion is the best option for accomplishing this? Will LeBron James be able to get back to doing what he did so well in Game Three, and if not, why not? Was the poor shooting from the Cavs in Game Four a function of simply having an off game or is it something more? Will Shaq rebound, both figuratively and literally? He did, after all, have 17 points in Game Three and is not a happy camper now after sitting the bulk of the fourth quarter yesterday. Can Delonte West shake off an 0 for 7 performance? Will Mo Williams find the rhythm he had earlier in the playoffs? Can Anderson Varejao regain his controlled chaos and once again be a truly disruptive force on defense?
Please, vent, break out your finest crystal and look into the future of the next two or three games.
And now for a far-fetched idea. Let us assume for a moment that LeBron's teammates and coaches know no more about his plans than we, the fans, do. This may not be true, but for the sake of argument, let's say that it is.
Now...
Is it possible that there is extra pressure on the Cavaliers not wearing # 23? Is the team tightening up in close games for fear that if they do not 'have his back', he will be more inclined to leave?
To be blunt, is the uncertainty over LeBron's future hurting the Cavaliers in the here and now?
It sure seems to me that when LeBron struggles at all, the rest of the team tightens up and misses shots and doesn't have the fluidity to fight for rebounds and run the floor on D. Maybe it is just me, but when LeBron struggles, this team sometimes seems to play scared, afraid of failure and thus sometimes failing.
Your thoughts, please.
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A few things. One, I’m holding to my theory that the Cavs have been “experimenting,” if you will. They’re using these games even still to take full stock of what they have when faced with their biggest challenge: Orlando. We’re playing around with matchups and minutes and, as a result, it may seem like we’re out of sync. We’ve been learning. We’ve learned that none of our guards can handle a player like Rondo, so I expect to see LeBron on him a lot more. I think Parker/Delonte can do a good job holding off Pierce. As for Shaq, we’re trying to see just how much we can get out of him. In reality, we don’t need him to score big point against Orlando. We need him to give Howard a hard time in the paint, which he is fully capable of doing. I fully believe we’ll be playing at the highest level starting with game 5.
As for your second point, I absolute don’t buy it for a second. Regardless of what LeBron does this summer, these guys are playing for a ring this year. Nothing else should matter, and I’d bet my life savings that it doesn’t matter to the guys on the court.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
(smiles) Excellent post, and it may well be ‘just me’ that feels the LeBron issue sometimes, which is why I made it clear that it was ‘far-fetched’, even to me in objective moments. But discussion is therapeutic after a loss, and I find that it breeds confidence to look ahead instead of agonizing over what has been, and cannot be changed.
by AncientMariner on May 10, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m with you 100%. My therapy is kind of the opposite. I’ve noticed that I often feel very negative after losses, but when I write about a loss, I almost exclusively try to make it positive. Then once it’s on paper (web), I realize that it makes a lot more sense than my initial negative feelings and it gives me something to hold onto for the next game.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on May 10, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha, right back at ya!
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on May 10, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
You two give me hope. Hope for this site, hope for Cavs fans. AM, your writing and analysis is consistently some of the best I read anywhere. Turk, you know I love you, man.
Thanks, guys.
I’ll reiterate a point I made when all of Cleveland was on the ledge after game two: We needed to win one of three in Boston to win the series. We ain’t losing at home again. Won’t happen. Rondo has been wonderful, and any true basketball fan should only marvel at his talent. But we still have the MVP, and he won’t let us down at home.
Regarding Turk’s initial point, I dig it. It actually makes a whole lot of sense.
I agree with all that. AM, your work here has been great and I hope we can keep the content on this site up to the high standard where it belongs.
by Buckeye Brad on May 10, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks, man. It all comes down to your initial point. We’re not gonna lose again at home, and I feel like we’re doing enough to stay alive while taking a long, hard look at what we’ve got. It’s almost as if Chicago was basic training and Boston is a live-fire exercise, all in preparation for deployment — Orlando.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on May 11, 2010 6:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I usually wait a good day after a loss for a little less emotion and a little more perspective.
by johnnyphoenix on May 11, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Am I reading this correctly? With words like Cavs have been "experimenting, when faced with their biggest challenge: Orlando, We’re playing around with matchups and minutes", you sound as though the Cavs are up 3-0, or even 3-1! Turk: you guys are tied up 2-2 against the Celtics. Let’s worry about Boston right now.
AM: Another great post. Thought provoking and engaging. I wish we could swap out Ben Q Rock for you over at pinstripedpost lol….
I think you’re misinterpreting what I said a bit. I mean we’ve been experimenting in the Chicago and Boston series to prepare ourselves for an Orlando series. Naturally, the experimenting yielded fewer losses against a weak Chicago team than it has against a playoff-tough Boston team.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on May 10, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks gatorboi, I truly appreciate that.
by AncientMariner on May 10, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Lebron can't be counted on to do game 3 over
If it takes a guy starting the game 8-10 to beat the Celtics, then the Cavs don’t deserve to win. The one thing the Cavs need to do is learn how to defend again if they want a shot at winning the series. I still say keep Rondo out of the paint (which the Cavs did fairly well in game 3), and make him shoot jumpers instead of making him look like Oscar Robertson. Damn it, Rondo is a good player, but there is no frigging way he should be putting up those numbers on ANY team, not the Nets, and certainly not the Cavs.
Um, but it doesn’t take him starting 8-10 to win. At all. Ever. So your whole comment is moot. Congrats.
Nice comment yourself
Seriously his whole comments about Rondo and defending is Moot? You need a reality check apparently. The Cavs need to defend Rondo better and make him a jump shooter if you don’t agree to that then you have no clue about basketball.
All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
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by E5 on May 10, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow thanks for such a great reply
I love it when people show that they are just on a blog to be a frigging jerk. If you don’t have any real response than don’t click reply a-hole. In case you were wondering, my thoughts are just as welcome as yours here, I didn’t berate you, and I made a valid statement. Just because your girl dumped you or your dog got run over is no reason to attack my post. Go to the Cavs game and take it out on Boston, jeez. And guess what? If the Cavs don’t do as I said, and Lebron has to shoot 8-10 in the first quarter for 21 points to win, prepare for the likelihood that you will go home disappointed. The Cavs need to find their defense to close out this series.
Eric – You don’t understand. See, it didn’t take LeBron starting 8-10 to win game three. We won that game by 29 points. LeBron could have started 3-10 and we still win without too much trouble. So my point is, this extreme premise garbage is a waste of time and indicative of overly panicked fans who are not prepared for playoff ups and downs.
You are still justifying making a rude remark for no reason
I say that the Cavs defense has been horrible, especially so in game 4, and that the team defense should not allow Rondo to be that much of a factor considering he is pretty one dimensional. I thought my point was pretty on the ball so to speak with exactly what the Cavs are lacking. You are correct, Lebron can go 3-10, if Rondo isn’t getting the rebound and laying it up on the other end each miss. But why not just say, sorry for belittling your post for no reason, I am upset at fair weather fans? I am talking basketball and venting as to why the Cavs are allowing Rondo to look like Oscar Robertson. If that point is moot, then what is pertinent to this blog? Shall we discuss Lebron’s elbow? I am sorry you don’t like to talk about the Cav’s greatest current flaw, but no one made you respond to it…
See, it didn’t take LeBron starting 8-10 to win game three. We won that game by 29 points. LeBron could have started 3-10 and we still win without too much trouble.
Not necessarily. Could we have won it with LeBron on the bench, too, since the performance of his teammates was so scintillating? Is it even remotely possible that LeBron’s strong start enabled the Cavs to roll and win by 29? I think so.
by Western Reserve on May 11, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cavs will be fine. IMO, the problem can be traced to the Shaq injury and the Z trade (being lost for 4 weeks). Z has more value against the Celtics than Shaq does since he can spread the floor for more driving lanes and doesn’t have to defend a offensive center (Perkins). But the reverse is true against Orlando. With Shaq being out so long the Cavs are forced to use this series to figure out how to play together. It’s unfortunate because it is preventing us from using our depth appropriately, but we can beat the Celtics with a less than optimal lineup, but the reverse isn’t true for Orlando.
As fans, it’s easier for us to watch our team win easily so we don’t have to stress about it, but I can promise that when June 15th comes around and the parade is rolling down Euclid Ave we won’t care that it took a few more games and a little more stress to get there.
Yes, yes and yes. Perfectly sums up my thoughts about this series.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on May 10, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I pin game 4 on Mo,D West and Parker
19 % shooting from the backcourt was killer. Celtics clogged the paint daring LBJ to drive…(he wasn’t hitting his shots to boot)…so we had nothing from our guards, no room for LBJ to maneuver in the lane and poof! A team that scores 102 or more a game gets 87.
Despite his absurd game, Rondo did not beat us. The Celtics scored less than 100 and, if our backcourt trio hits their average, we win that game.
We don’t need wholesale changes that put LeBron on Rondo. We just need the backcourt to play “decent”. Be agressive, proactive and play our game instead of reacting to what the Celtics are doing. These are the keys to winning this round.
I'm Polish...what's your excuse?
Also...
Play Shaq and Andy at “winning time” to prevent Ronda and Tony Allen from driving into the lane and geting rebounds with inpunity.
I'm Polish...what's your excuse?
Rondo did beat us, face up to it. Did we not learn anything from last year’s loss to Orlando??? We still have matchup problems at the guard position, which was only properly taken care of this year when both Mo and Delonte were out for a month due to injuries, and LeBron took over the point…
Re-read my second paragraph, friend. IF, we get anything from our backcourt, Rondo’s big game does not beat us. I understand he had a great game but I am not willing to say he was the difference maker in that game. Our lousy backcourt was the difference and gift wrapped it for them. If they just average 40% shooting …we win.
I think Delonte will bounce back….not sure about Mo.
I'm Polish...what's your excuse?
The guard play is killing us. I am wracking by brain to come up with a championship team where the PG and SG only averaged 10-12 pts. each. Considering that Mo is below average defender and Parker a hot and cold one, this exacerbates the problem.
by kingcrimson2 on May 10, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree that
the guards need to play much better but it would be false to say Rondo didn’t have a significant impact on the game. Completely foolish to think that Lebron defending Rondo will not help. Lebron is one of the best defenders in the league and can stay with Rondo’s quickness and be up on him preventing alot of the passes he is throwing into the post. The problem is Mike Brown is very slow to make adjustments to his original game plans. This cost us the series last year against Orlando and could cost us this year. Having great players and defenders helps but coaching is the real diamond in the rough the Cavs need to get over the hump. If the Cavs don’t win the title Mike Brown will never be an NBA head coach again.
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Baseball’s biggest busts Andy Marte.
by E5 on May 10, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for asking, Ancient Mariner!
I shared the frustration of all Cavaliers’ fans yesterday, and I felt that most of yesterday’s comments contained an element of “overreacting”—although it is certainly the fans’ right to overreact when their team plays a sloppy game.
But I also share the optimism of today’s posts. And here are some thoughts:
After the blowout in Game 2, we were hoping for a split in Boston, and that is what happened. Just as in the regular season, we split 1-1 in Cleveland and 1-1 in Boston.
The Boston Celtics are a tough team. This 2010 Celtics team is not so different from the 2008 Celtics that won it all, or the 2009 Celtics that battled Orlando for 7 games in the playoffs.
As good as the Celtics are, it is clear to me that the Cavaliers have the best team, and the best individual player.
And as frustrating as it was to watch the Cavaliers blow leads of 7-0 and 12-5 in Game 4, the reality is that we now have a best-of-3 series, and the best team has home advantage.
The Cavaliers have won the odd-numbered games so far. So Game 5 is theirs. They have the incentive to return the blows in this Heavyweight Battle. They have home court advantage in the loudest arena in the NBA.
When the dust settles, the Cavaliers will show that they are 11-0 in playoff series in which they win Game One.
by BrownsCavaliersIndiansForev on May 10, 2010 3:47 PM CDT reply actions
This is not the regular season. The best team, and the best individual player, does not matter diddly unless they play like it. Home advantage doesn’t mean a thing to a championship team like Boston. Nor do loud arenas. It sounds like you’re trying to convnce yourself and others that the Cavs will win this series.
I agree and disagree with you, BirthTimes
I agree, BirthTimes, that this is not the regular season. Nevertheless, the playoff results so far are identical to the regular season results: 1-1 split in Cleveland and 1-1 split in Boston.
And I agree that the best team does not always win. But if Cleveland plays their best game and Boston plays their best game, Cleveland will win Game 5. That is what I am saying.
But I disagree with what you say about home advantage and loud arenas. If this series goes seven games, the Cavaliers will have an enormous advantage in Game 7. Boston is a great team but, like Cleveland, they are also human. That is why teams play so hard every year for home advantage. When it comes down to a seven-game series, put your money on the home team.
GO CAVALIERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by BrownsCavaliersIndiansForev on May 10, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe....put boston is a better road team than home team...they played very well in cleveland
this playoffs…other than a poor 3rd in game one…they could have won both at the Q. i think it will be a tough game 5 and an even tougher game 6…no matter
by celticinorlando on May 10, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
The pendulum can swing both ways, but it tends to balance
You’re right, CelticOrlando, the Celtics could have won both at the Q. But you can also say that the Cavaliers could have won both at the Garden. Two blowouts and two competitive games. Some unfortunate turnovers, some layups that weren’t completely executed, some three point shots that came close but no cigar, and this series could easily be 3-1 in either direction. But the fact is that the series is tied 2-2. The ebb and flow of performance is maddening for the fans of both teams (not to mention the always lamentable job done by the officials) but it is that lack of perfect predictability, the breaks, the adversity that must be overcome, that makes the game so exciting to watch, and makes the great truly great.
by BrownsCavaliersIndiansForev on May 10, 2010 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
obviously i am a celtics fan but i would like to say this:
IF the cavs get through boston..it will help them tremendously vs the magic. the magic haven’t played anyone. this is what champions need to do….go through the fire. i do think a ton of people overlooked the celtics in this series. but the cavs will be better because of the celtics and this series
game 5 is big as will be game 6. it is an old school best of 3. putting LBJ on rondo would open up PP. i believe pierce would absolutely abuse parker in that match up. and ray allen can get whatever he wants if mo williams plays him…the post…the 3…whatever…mo cannot run through screen after screen to keep up with allen. i think you sprinkle LBJ on rondo…but most of rondo’s damage comes in transition where anyone has to pick him up. LBJ cover him bringing it up the floor really doesn’t concern me. plus it will make james work twice as hard on defense. as pierce can testify by covering LBJ…that effects your offense.
the key to stopping rondo is rebounding. when the C’s defense forces one shot and out and rondo can get going in the open court…they are tough to stop. in game 3…boston let the cavs have whatever they wanted and didn’t really board. if the cavs out rebound the Celtics..esp on the offensive glass getting second shots…they win the series.
by celticinorlando on May 10, 2010 4:13 PM CDT reply actions
LeBron on Rondo, Parker on Allen, Moon on Pierce, Shaq on Perk, and Antawn on KG. That’s our best defensive matchup against that lineup of boston…
moon and parker are a liability on offense. taking mo out takes away the chance of spreading the
court for lebron to kick out.
by celticinorlando on May 10, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Parker is certainly not a liability on offense...
if we did nothing but kick out to Parker every single play, we’d win every game handily. There are few players who can be kicked out to better than Parker, with his excellent 3 point shooting, fair ability to drive to the basket, and icewater in his veins. That is, if other teams didn’t adjust….
I don’t know what alien took over Moon’s brain from December-March, but it seems to be gone now. 8-15 on 3s in the playoffs, and 4-6 on 2s. This to go with 4 assists and 0 turnovers. Look at those numbers and tell me he’s a liability on offense. These are very similar to his numbers in April during the regular season.
Jamario may fall back to Earth eventually, but at the moment he’s one of our top players offensively and one of our top players defensively. He should be getting 20 minutes a game, not 3 like in the last game. I know Lebron doesn’t like playing point guard, but if our four best players are Lebron, Shaq, Jamison, and Jamario, I just can’t see not having them all on the court at crunch time. I can see arguments in favor of any number of people for the fifth guy, but I’ll settle for Anthony Parker right now.
LeBron can’t guard Rondo the whole game; that would take too much energy and it would hurt his offensive game. Maybe at the end of the game if it’s close and we need a stop, but that’s just asking LeBron to do too much to run the offense AND chase Rondo around all game long.
by Buckeye Brad on May 10, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Some necessary adjustments - Lebron at the point. "look no caps"
I have no doubt that the Cleveland Cavaliers will prevail against the tough gritted and excellently coach Boston Celtics. In fact, I see the Cavs prevailing in 6. As for their containment of Rajon Rhondo, this will take some serious adjustments on the Cavs part. Unfortunately, Mo Williams is a defensive liability, and when he is exploited for his lack of defense his offense tends to suffer as well. Does anyone remember when the Cavs were playing their best ball of the season, Mo Williams was out of the lineup and Lebron was basically playing the point. If you’ll recall, for 13-straight game he basically had double digits in assists. They also did not have Shaq in the lineup either. They ran teams right off the court with a lineup that showed LBJ, A. Parker, Jamison, Varejao, and JJ Hickson, with D. West and J. Moon coming off the bench.
I have detailed each point at www.no2statquo.typepad.com
They ran teams right off the court with a lineup that showed LBJ, A. Parker, Jamison, Varejao, and JJ Hickson
That lineup right there has yet to actually appear together in an NBA game so I’m not sure which teams they ran off the court. In fact, the most used lineup out of the 7 people you mention was West, Parker, LBJ, Jamison, Varejao and they only played 35:55 together the entire season with a game high of just over 7 minutes (which occurred 2/23 against the Hornets — a game in which both Shaq and Mo started.)
I take it you’re not counting the games when Shaq, Mo, and West were all out at the same time. Humm, they won thirteen straight after losing the first three when Jamison came over, and Lebron had double digit assists in all of them. Maybe I missed D. West because he was hurt too while Moon covered for him along with Jawad Williams.
You may want to check your records before you start calling someone out with BS. Se u in the gym – oops, you probably ain’t played before. Anyone who pulls stats out to the minutes, that’s all he can do, cause a real baller don’t care about that BS.
No, apparently a real baller just makes stuff up. Pulling out stats to the minutes is real easy if you just go to a simple website…..and read. Check for yourself if that’s baller enough for you:
http://basketballvalue.com/teamunits.php?year=2009-2010&team=CLE
After you check that, admit your mistake.
hahahahahahahaha
you are experimenting your asses out of the playoffs
good luck!
by friedgreentomatoes on May 10, 2010 7:45 PM CDT reply actions
Welcome to Fear the Sword, FriedGreenTomatoes!!!!!
Welcome to Fear the Sword, FriedGreenTomatoes!
Always nice to welcome a Celtics fan to Cavalier Country!
by BrownsCavaliersIndiansForev on May 10, 2010 7:51 PM CDT reply actions
friedgreentomatoes, thank you for your time and astute insight to make us forsake our aspiration to see our team win an NBA Championship despite the clean nature of our discussions and avoiding any unreliable remarks of the past. Oh and welcome to the Forums btw.
I agree with no2statquo, an effective offensive starter should be with the point but I do have high respects for Mo and what he brings to the team, but its when things go from bad to worst that a team should look for optional offensive and defensive rotations and not just rely on explosive tendencies that superstars bring to a game. Series tied heading for Q the only thing Cleveland has to do is go for W and ride that momentum to Boston and hope everyone is healthy come the Orlando series.
It's coaching, coaching, COACHING!
On my video blog, I break down exactly what’s wrong with the Cavaliers – and I don’t think it’s anything they’ll be able to fix before the series is over.
If LeBron can go off like he did for Game 3, then the Cavs might have a chance – but the Celtics consistently get better shots – a good recipe for a series win. Check out what I’m talking about at:
http://bballbreakdown.com
Have to disagree with some of your analysis
I appreciated your video breakdown of the game. I don’t agree with all of it for this reason.
You give no credit to the Cav’s plays that work. That is getting your players into a position to succeed. You can’t blame coaching for Mo, Jamison , and James missing WIDE open threes at the rate they missed. Those plays are the result of good coaching. Those misses explain the success of the Celtics fast break.
I take nothing away from a great Celtics victory. They clogged the paint on us and we didn’t do what is necessary for breaking that defense. Hit the shots and we win the game.
I also don’t blame coaching for the intensity played by the players. They came into the game playing hard. They just didn’t continue with that effort. Certainly the third quarter effort was a result of some positive coaching at half time.
How you draw a conclusion that they can’t fix the biggest problem of missing shots when they have two home games remaining does not compute in my overall analysis.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on May 11, 2010 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions
"is not a happy camper now after sitting the bulk of the fourth quarter yesterday. "
Why Does Shaq even have an opinion?
He was brought in to handle Dwight.
Shut up old timer.
"Just to remind you, Orlando made it to the finals last year without this guy. Crazy."~John Krolik
DO any of you sersiouly think Celtics can win this Series
I am being serious.
Because I will tell you right now there is nothing in this world from stopping a rematch of the ECF.
"Just to remind you, Orlando made it to the finals last year without this guy. Crazy."~John Krolik
Here’s how I’d break it down:
Play with some urgency, like it actually means something. We were very dull yesterday. Not Game 2 dull, but disinterested.
LeBron needs to attack the rim early and often. If Shaq was five or more years younger, I’d agree with starting the game throwing it down to him. But he’s not the guy that needs to find his rhythm; LeBron is. I know — fouls. But how many Celtics fouled out? And LeBron draws fouls, too.
Stop the ball, and make Rondo pay. Every time. He’s their best player. Make him shoot jumpers, and when he comes into the lane, would one our four centers, with 24 fouls between them, be there to meet him? Please?
Win on the boards. If we don’t win this battle, frankly, it’s because we aren’t trying hard enough, because we are being outworked. No excuse.
I still think we can win the next two and take this series. But we have to want it; we need to be hungrier. We are the better team out there.
by Western Reserve on May 10, 2010 10:12 PM CDT reply actions
As a Cavs fan
it is sad to say that the Cavs could just as easily be facing elimination on Tuesday with 1 blowout win if not for a big comeback in Game 1.
by Hardcore Legend on May 11, 2010 12:07 AM CDT reply actions
This is a BS little groupie site
There is no room here for me, you little groupies can play amongst yourselves, I’ve found real baller’s elsewhere. All I’ve rcvd here were paltry little insults, no merits to any of the points. So you guys stay here and play with your numbers, and root, root, root for your Cavs, unobjectively of course.
Either way, ring or no ring, LBJ will end up in Miami playing with D. Wade and coached by a genius in Pat Riley. And then you guys can suffer for another zillion years… maybe it will be with M. Brown. I still got Cavs in 6, and you will eventually see who the real difference maker is aside from Lebron. Good riddance to a waste of my time…

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