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RUMOR - LeBron James Has Torn Elbow Ligament?

CLEVELAND - MAY 11:  LeBron James #23 of the Cleveland Cavaliers gets a shot off next to Ray Allen #20 of the Boston Celtics during Game Five of the Eastern Conference Semifinals during the 2010 NBA Playoffs at Quicken Loans Arena on May 11, 2010 in Cleveland, Ohio. Boston won the game 120-88 to take a 3-2 series lead. NOTE TO USER: User expressly acknowledges and agrees that, by downloading and or using this photograph, User is consenting to the terms and conditions of the Getty Images License Agreement.  (Photo by Gregory Shamus/Getty Images)

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3 months ago: CLEVELAND - MAY 11: LeBron James #23 of the Cleveland Cavaliers gets a shot off next to Ray Allen #20 of the Boston Celtics during Game Five of the Eastern Conference Semifinals during the 2010 NBA Playoffs at Quicken Loans Arena on May 11, 2010 in Cleveland, Ohio. Boston won the game 120-88 to take a 3-2 series lead. NOTE TO USER: User expressly acknowledges and agrees that, by downloading and or using this photograph, User is consenting to the terms and conditions of the Getty Images License Agreement. (Photo by Gregory Shamus/Getty Images)

UPDATE -- When asked earlier today about his elbow, LeBron, for the first time, admitted that it was an issue that will need addressed after the season - 

"The elbow is an issue I'll deal with in the offseason."

Again, make your own judgments....

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Warning, Warning, Warning!  This was forwarded on to me by someone I trust, that has no reason to lie.  That said, I am treating it as a rumor.

According to this unconfirmed rumor, a  medical professional close to LeBron James is suggesting James is suffering from a torn ligament in his right elbow - 

Lebron has a torn ligament in his elbow that should keep him out 6 to 8 weeks. He's trying to play through it and not complain, so the media doesn't know it's that serious. Before game 4 he had a shot in the elbow to numb it. You can only get the shot once every 10 days, so last night he couldn't do it.

I was also told that LeBron did the main damage to the elbow on the same play I had talked about a couple weeks ago right here.  I'll re-post the video at the end to remind everyone.

What this means I'll leave up to you to decide.  If true, does it forgive LeBron's indifference on and off the court?  Does it explain away consecutive home blow-out defeats?  Your call.  What it does explain, at least for me, is the flat trajectory of LeBron's jump-shot.  So much of a jump-shot comes from the elbow and forearm.  

In today's Per Diem column, John Hollinger gives further reasons why the elbow is bothering LeBron more than he, or anyone else, is letting on -

Thus, the most logical conclusion is the elbow was a major factor, and it affected LeBron mentally as much as it did physically. We have one other data point to support us: his track record in this series. Since Game 5 of the Chicago series, James' effectiveness has directly correlated with how much rest he had between games.

Witness: Games 2, 4 and 5 came with just one day of rest; in those three he shot 0-for-13 on 3s and 17-for-47 overall. Games 1 and 3, on the other hand, had an extra day of rest beforehand, which seemingly allowed his elbow to feel much better: In those two contests he was a one-man wrecking crew, making 26-of-46 from the floor and scoring 73 points. Needless to say, those were the two Cleveland wins in this series.

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Count me among the crowd skeptical of the veracity of this fourth-hand rumor.

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by Turkmenbashi on May 12, 2010 11:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Just too hard to believe at this juncture.

A complete or partial tear of a ligament is not something you can play through.

I'm Polish...what's your excuse?

by Juannieboy on May 12, 2010 11:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Could be hyper-extended and a partial tear

Course you can play through that…it would just hurt a lot. Ask Pierce, he did it.

by BorninBoston on May 12, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, he’s still been our best player.

by Chemo on May 12, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?! Shaq had more points in Game 5, Parker nearly had as many (and he’s not counted on for his offense), and Mo was the main reason why the Cavs came back to win Game 1. It’s hardly been LeBron out there, good or bad.

by cavaliersfan on May 12, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like you said, this would explain the shot if it were true, but NOT his attitude. If he was playing hurt, he’d still play with pride, and that’s not something I’m seeing. Sad thing is, it’s affecting the rest of the team that Ferry and DG worked so hard to assemble.

by navycavsfan on May 12, 2010 11:41 AM CDT reply actions  

1. I’m not going to believe this until it’s confirmed.

2. If it is true, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised that LeBron is trying to cover it up, convince himself that he can play through it, and not let his team fall without him giving it all.

Again 2. is only the case if it is true, which I don’t expect it to be.

by Simmsinns on May 12, 2010 11:52 AM CDT reply actions  

If this rumor is true

LeBron made himself look like a bigger fool. Why take off that sleeve at the end of that game? Don’t ask me what my point is with that statement; I’m a bit confused myself. And I know no one will agree with me on this point, but you have to live to fight another day. Grant Hill, anyone?

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by Lex L. on May 12, 2010 11:58 AM CDT reply actions  

I don’t buy this. He wasn’t even wincing during the game. Of course, I guess he would have had to move in order to create pain.

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by Turkmenbashi on May 12, 2010 12:47 PM CDT reply actions  

I totally believe this. It really explains everything, especially his depressive body language. It is the same body language after his free throw against Chicago. He knew he was done then. He worked all year to get here, and now he knows he can’t do what he wants/needs to do. I’d be depressed also. He also knows if he mentions his elbow, people will call him weak and that he looks for excuses. But if you are hurt, you are hurt, and no matter how much you want to, you can’t “man up”.

No matter what coaching, no matter what rotation, no matter what anything, the equation will always be hurt Lebron = no chance for championship.

by oxforddave on May 12, 2010 1:43 PM CDT reply actions  

“hurt Lebron = no chance for championship”

That’s only because of two reasons:

1. LeBron, if he’s truly hurt (which I also have my doubts), should not be playing then – a healthy Delonte West would be able to run the offense better and provide better defense, a healthy J.J. Hickson could provide more inside muscle and athleticism, a healthy Leon Powe could also provide more inside muscle and scoring, a healthy “Z” could shoot the ball better and give the Celtics a different look, and a healthy Gibson could shoot the ball better from the outside than an injured LeBron.

Frankly, there’s no excuse for playing out there hurt, regardless of his perceived importance to the team. He’s hurting the team more by being out there if he’s hurt, and his being hurt doesn’t excuse his lack of effort – you can always control and provide maximum, continuous effort, especially during this time of year. And, if he truly cannot give that effort, whether it’s due to injury or indifference, he shouldn’t be out there.

Of course, reason #2 will prevent that from happening.

2. Coach Mike Brown – he has been outcoached yet again. This guy is really not a good coach. He’s been riding LeBron’s coattails for way too long, putting too much into him and making LeBron look good, being the big “star” that he’s supposed to be that virtually everyone else on the roster has been neutralized in terms of effectiveness. Two ways that this has occurred.

a. Virtually every play is run through LeBron, even though he’s technically not the point guard (it’s supposed to be Mo) – LeBron will often dribble down to 5 or 6 seconds on the shot clock, then try to break down the defender with a few dribbles, then hoist up a shot that often misses the mark. Several analysts blame the other Cavaliers for this “1-on-5” offense, but in reality, Brown believes LeBron is the “go-to-guy,” saying “he carries us,” etc., so he allows this to happen. He doesn’t come out and say that the whole offense needs to be involved, that there has to be more ball movement and less dribbling, specifically by LeBron.

That’s a major reason why Shaq, Jamison, and even Mo have not gotten into good rhythm and been consistent offensive threats in this series like they were supposed to be. Even Paul Pierce or Kevin Garnett came out and said to this effect: "With our (Boston) team, you don’t know where the scoring will come from each night. With their (Cleveland) team, you know where the scoring will come from, LeBron James – you’ve got to contain LeBron.

With so many weapons on this team, why does the opponent acknowledge that there really is only one guy to stop? That’s because of Brown’s coaching philosophy, to get the ball to LeBron and let him “do his thing.” And LeBron also feeds into this, mostly due to his ego that he is this “great player” and that he is the “leader of this team” and that he needs to make the plays – where I go, the team goes.

In my opinion, LeBron isn’t as great of a team player as the media has made him out to be. Yes, he’ll dish out some assists, but it always comes down to him at crunch time, often doing what I described above – he never really trusts his teammates to deliver the big plays down the stretch, and they have shown from time to time on rare occasions in the regular season that they can do it, whether it’s Mo, Delonte, Shaq, Jamison, even “Z.” No, it’s all about LeBron, all of the time.

What has arguably hurt the Cavs even worse is the fact that Brown’s coaching and time management have really put the Cavaliers into this pickle -

- Brown didn’t play “Z” much when he came back from the Wizards
- Brown didn’t integrate Powe into the offense down the stretch (what was this about Powe being an important signing when we got him from Boston last offseason)
- Brown didn’t utilize Gibson virtually at all, supposedly because he plays “poor defense” – how is Gibson supposed to improve defensively when he’s sitting on the bench with DNPs throughout most of the games. He’s arguably the best 3-point shooter on the team and was a decisive factor in eliminating the Pistons 3 years ago that allowed the Cavs to reach their first NBA Finals.
- J.J. Hickson, who showed remarkedly improvement over the course of the season both offensively AND defensively, now is relegated to playing around 5-10 minutes a game, while the 38-year old Shaq can play 25-35 minutes a game.
- Jamario Moon and Delonte West have been rendered non-factors because they’re only playing only 10-20 minutes/game at best, yet were critical components to the Cavaliers winning 61 games in 2009-2010. Nevermind that both Moon and West are considered solid to above-average defenders – Parker has been as poor defensively as Mo has, and West can give you more consistent offense than Parker can, and Moon is considered as good of a 3-point shooter as Parker has, and has likely had more productive games this season than Parker has, yet Brown keeps running Parker out there.

Coach Mike Brown deserves as much of the blame as any of the “active” players (by “active,” I mean those that Brown is allowing to play for significant minutes, including Shaq, Mo, Parker, Jamison, and yes, the “King” himself – LeBron, who probably deserves as much blame as anyone, with all of his self-proclamations and “not overreacting to the loss in Game 2,” and “I know what needs to be done,” “it’s a long series,” blah, blah, blah, when his effort was not acceptable for a regular-season game, let alone a postseason game.

These are the main reasons why the Cavs are in the pickle they now find themselves in – even if by some miracle, they come back and beat the Celtics, does anyone really think that they will match up with the Magic? Forget the 2008-2009 Cavs’ first 2-round sweeps and the 2009-2010 Magic’s first 2-round sweeps – those aren’t as similar as they appear on the surface, as Orlando faced better competition (Charlotte was better than last year’s Pistons team and the Hawks were more experienced and healthier this year than last year’s group) and still has matchup advantages against the Cavaliers, especially now that Nelson is back to full strength.

Let’s face it – the Cavs have been undone by poor play from the “active” players, especially LeBron and his passiveness and lack of leadership, and Mike Brown’s very questionable management of his talented roster throughout the course of this season and the playoffs. Owner Dan Gilbert has even implied that much of this current situation is at Brown’s feet, and I don’t disagree at all. If the Cavs fall, Brown should be out – then perhaps more of the talent on this roster can actually manifest itself, instead of it just being LeBron all of the time.

by cavaliersfan on May 12, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Two additional points:

1. Looking at the link of when LeBron may have suffered this elbow injury, I’m not surprised that a dunk may have caused it. Too often, LeBron is too worried about wowing the crowd with a ferocious dunk – I think most Cleveland fans would have gladly traded some ferocious dunks for an NBA Championship. It’s again the idea of LeBron showing off for the fans, although he’s hardly the only one to do that in the NBA nowadays, whereas it was less common for Jordan, Magic, or Bird (I don’t think he dunked often, but probably had a few here and there) to do.

2. One other contention about Brown’s management of the roster: He allows LeBron and Mo to take whole games off late in the season, in an effort to give them rest. Not only might this have backfired in terms of their rhythm in the postseason (as they didn’t look very impressive in the Chicago series outside of Game 4), but ironically, James may turn out to be injured anyway (though probably not to the extent of a torn elbow, but probably more of a bruise or strain – otherwise, why the half-court shots and cancelled MRI?)

by cavaliersfan on May 12, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with about 90% of all this.

Mike Brown has no clue about his playoff or regular season rotations.His not playing Z on a night when he was to set the teams all time played games record is a huge example of his it is my team and not yours mentality that is ruining the team chemistry. No one on the team buys into what he is selling any more and his horrible offensive sets leave the Cavs in a position where as Lebron has to do everything. The reason Phil Jackson has won multiply championships has alot to do with talent but also his understanding of rotations and the triangle offense. The triangle offense would be perfect for the current Cavs team with Lebron as the focal point and Mo Williams, Antwain Jamison and Shaq as major offensive weapons. The Cavs don’t run very many offensive sets and rarely call plays for players other then Lebron. You can see the Celtics run plays for Ray Allen, Paul Pierce and Kevin Garrnett.

The reason Mo Williams, Delonte West and the guards are struggling is because the ball movement is nile. Watch the Celtics on offense the ball is consately moving and the players are not standing around. It is hard to shoot in this league when some one has a hand in your face all the time and you are forced to take off balanced shots. Mo Williams looks like a chicken with his head cut off right now and has no clue where to go with the ball or what to do and the reason is because there is no flow to the offense. This 1 on 5 set we run all the time doesn’t work and leads to bad habits from the role players. Jamiro Moon should be a key player in this series because he is athletic and is a good defender yet he is no where to be found. Jamiro should be guarding Paul Pierce when he is in the game to give Lebron a break on the defensive end. The basic tenet of this post is that Mike Brown has lost his team and is clueless about to make adjustments during the games and this is the reason he will be fired after this season.

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by E5 on May 12, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow

An honest take from a Cavs fan. I’m impressed. It is very difficult to look at the situation RATIONALLY when it is your own team on the line and its best player. Count me as incredibly impressed. You are right on ALL counts.

by plyka on May 12, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

regardless of whether you are wrong or right about all that...

… I have to rec you up to say; well written, and I agree with a lot of it. A very impartial look at your squad, which I appreciate.

Cheers.

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by Kiorrik on May 13, 2010 3:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Celtic fan here

So I don’t understand. If this rumor really is true, why hasn’t Lebron just drove to the key more instead of settling for jumpshots? Has it really come to the point where also in some plays couldn’t involve himself in the offense? He seemed fine enough in the 1st quarter to at LEAST set up plays for his teammates! I mean, he didn’t have to play 22 minutes in the 1st half (42 for the whole game) if this was really the case; even Rondo got his rest in Game 5 (only 17 min in the first half) after getting very little the first 4 games, and then he was good to go in the 2nd half.

Why cancel a MRI if this is really true?

Who are you kidding? Who is John Bena’s source kidding? Consider this post a deliberate slam to whoever handed John that rumor. I’m not afraid to say it on your blog.

I have to chalk this up as a rumor that will never come to pass as real.

by Tai on May 12, 2010 2:08 PM CDT reply actions  

You have a right to your opinion..

I don’t know if it is true. All I can say is I trust the person who told me, otherwise I wouldn’t have posted it. It is CLEARLY marked as a rumor, and even if true doesn’t explain a lot of other things that are going on in that locker room…

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by John Bena (aka CavsBlogger) on May 12, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I completely agree. LeBron would’ve played harder even if he did have a terrible injury. I think something else was on his mind the whole game, he just looked completely removed the whole time.

by macdowellm03 on May 12, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great questions, and I too don’t think that this elbow injury is for real either, for many of the reasons you stated. Plus, as mentioned above, his injury should not be affecting his effort and determination – if he is truly that injured, then he should take himself out and allow a fully healthy player to be on the court instead, because, even with that player’s limitations, he will still be able to bring more to the court than an injured LeBron can, as seen by the lackluster games by the “King” in this series.

by cavaliersfan on May 12, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I feel like

LeBron could have played better with one arm tied behind his back. He can find other ways to get it done, even if that means not taking long jumpshots. He started to figure that out in the second half when he kept driving and getting fouls.

It’s the injury that’s messing with his head, which in turn messes with his game, which in turn messes with the entire city of Cleveland.

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by PHXgp on May 12, 2010 2:32 PM CDT reply actions  

The injury...

Is messing with his head? So what about Game 3, when he went off? He wasn’t even that bad in Game 4, he just went 0-5 from 3-pt land. Game 1 he was even better, obviously not better than Game 3, but he went 12-24 to get 35 points. And even Game 2….7-15 for 24 points, which included getting 15 FT attempts?

And honestly, what about the rest of his teammates? Are they injured too? It seemed like, for example, only Shaq and Parker showed up in Game 5…

Well, I’m outta here before I say something that gets me tossed. Good luck in Game 6.

by Tai on May 12, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again, great points in my opinion – and again, I’m not convinced about this elbow injury. Personally, I think it’s a convenient excuse if (or when) the Cavs fall that LeBron couldn’t deliver.

Personally, I’m sick and tired of this excuse that “LeBron doesn’t have enough talent” around him. How much more talent does the “King” need? As one poster said on Yahoo Sports said, does he need the “Dream Team” to win him a championship?

If LeBron is truly as good as most of the media says, don’t you think that one of the past 4 incarnations of the Cavaliers would have gotten it done (the team that lost to SA in the 2007 NBA Finals, the team that lost to BOS in the 2008 East. Conf. Semifinals, the team that lost to ORL in the 2009 East. Conf. Finals, or the team that is teetering and near elimination against BOS in the 2010 East. Conf. Semifinals, with a very imposing and dominant ORL team waiting in the 2010 East. Conf. Finals if by some miracle the Cavaliers actually get past BOS). Those team did have talent on them, and as another Yahoo poster put it, Jordan likely would have gotten one championship at least with those 4 teams, Kobe likely would have to. In all likelihood, a Shaq in his prime, a Duncan in his pirme, or D-Wade today likely would have to.

Perhaps we should realize what some in the media are starting to realize – LeBron isn’t as good as he is made out to be, not on the level of Jordan, Johnson, Bird, Kobe, Shaq, D-Wade. LeBron is an imposing specimen, sure, but his other skills, such as his shooting, shot selection, and free throw shooting are not up-to-par with a true superstar. LeBron looked very impressive in high school because of his physical skills and how he could overpower smaller players by muscling his way to the basket, but his shooting has always been suspect and a weakness, even being critiqued as having a hitch in it when he came out of HS. Perhaps LeBron should have focused more on that part of his game – then, perhaps, he’d have a more reliable jumper to go to when the lane is cut off for him. Then, he might be able to do what Jordan, Kobe, Johnson, and Bird could do, which might have helped the Cavaliers win at least one championship already.

Additionally, this one-on-5 offense that Brown allows LeBron to employ negates many of the other team’s players, making it look like LeBron has no talent around him, which is clearly not the case. Mo, West, Shaq, Jamison, Z, Powe – these were all solid to above-average players in their own right before they came here, yet, talk of “LeBron doesn’t have enough talent around here” or “his supporting cast sucks” is coming out of people who think that it’s not LeBron’s fault that the Cavs are on the brink of elimination.

Is he the only one at fault? No, certainly not (the other “active” players and coach Mike Brown) also deserve blame. Is LeBron blameless? Most certainly NOT – he’s the 2-time MVP; other MVPs step up and lead their team to victory – that doesn’t necessarily mean trying to score all yourself and forgetting about your teammates (look at Kobe and D-Wade now and Jordan, Johnson, and Bird 15-25 years ago), which LeBron and Brown seem to employ far too often, which I think is a major reason why these last few Cavaliers teams have fallen below expectations.

by cavaliersfan on May 12, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not a Cavs fan at all or a Celts fan

But I believe in the whole is better than the sum of its parts.

It’s not only about the amount of talent together, but how those talents feed off each other.

Case in point: Denver (extremely talented players) and Phoenix (torn down parts, but seems to be working very very well right now).

by Azrael on May 12, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Torn Elbow Ligament?

See how he plays tomorrow night,then start the rumors

by DirtyDeeds on May 12, 2010 3:10 PM CDT reply actions  

We need to do a better job policing trolls after games like this. It’s unacceptable to come here to a “home” blog and hear idiots spouting off anti-Cleveland BS.

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by Turkmenbashi on May 12, 2010 3:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Waiting period? Many SBN blogs have one.

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by woodsmeister on May 12, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not a bad idea, but no waiting period was necessary for that last post attacking Cleveland….I will start flagging such posts too, for John to decide what to do with, but that one Turk was referring to has been….dealt with.

by AncientMariner on May 12, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup. And why are we letting Celtics and Magic fans trash each other upthread? Kick then all out, please!! This is a Cavs blog.

by Buckeye Brad on May 12, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is a sports/Basketball blog

that is based on the Cavs, that doesn’t mean basketball fans can’t post here. This isn’t China my friend, freedom of speech is a necessary evil. The more viewers and posters, the better the blog does. I agree that people just looking to be jerks should be banned, but legitimate opinions should be welcome from everyone.

by Eric9321 on May 12, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

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by BS Patrol on May 12, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Those guys we’re giving “legitimate opinions”, they were being jerks. They weren’t adding anything to this blog or making in better in any form. Did you even read the comments I was talking about?

by Buckeye Brad on May 12, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

May be a good idea.

by emily522 on May 13, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

As regards the possible elbow ligament tear, here was a post from yesterday:

   " LeBron having fun shooting pregame, even went for a 360 dunk. Grabbed his right arm briefly after but told me coming off the court he’s fine

via Rachel Nichols twitter account"

If LeBron really did have a tear, and it did not occur recently, why on earth would he be risking everything showboating during a shoot-around?

by AncientMariner on May 12, 2010 3:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Exactly – this further emphasizes the point, in my opinion, that LeBron really doesn’t care about the game or the series. For further thoughts, read Adrian Wojnarowski’s article here.

This is another reason why many are questioning his true desire to this franchise, its fans, and the city of Cleveland (and Akron by extension), and why he’s not at the same level of a Jordan, Kobe, Magic, Bird, or even Shaq.

by cavaliersfan on May 12, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Knowing that you're injured...

and could possibly aggravate that injury and cause further harm by continuing to play with that injury, would be on many people’s minds in this situation. It’s not a sign that Lebron lacks above average mental composure or the will to win. The instinct to protect an injury is just a natural survival trait.

I hope he’s not too badly injured and will completely recover after the post season is over.

by oblivionspocket on May 12, 2010 3:52 PM CDT reply actions  

All the more reason why he should not be on the floor if he cannot deal with the injury (still don’t believe it’s as serious as being implied) – a healthy West or Gibson can give you more than a 50% LeBron (and that 50% might be generous, especially with the way he has been standing around in this series, especially Game 5).

by cavaliersfan on May 12, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did not listen to the interview before, but I just did and this at the end struck me.

“I don’t hang my head low or make excuses about what may be going on, as its just the type of player or the type of person I am.”

This is obvious code for “I am really hurt. My elbow is killing me, and I can only play through it with pain shots, but if I mention it, people will think I am wimpy compared to Kobe, so I can’t mention it.”

Imagine if you trained all year for something and then found yourself physically unable to perform the task you had trained for. He looks like what olympic athletes look like when they get hurt in warm ups. And yes, Boston was/is just a warmup/preliminary round. Kind of like playing the Estonians.

by oxforddave on May 12, 2010 5:43 PM CDT reply actions  

So he's so hurt

Yet he’s chucking up halfcourt shots at pregame? Is his elbow bruised? Probably. TORN LIGAMENT? NO.

by Tai on May 12, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you don’t believe it, that’s fine. But this is your third post playing off the injury, the Cleveland fans heard your the first time.

by SpursGerbil on May 12, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

With all due respect, oxforddave has mentioned twice that he believes LeBron is actually hurt, so he too has repeated his argument as well.

Is Tai overdoing it? Yes, but oxforddave has also repeated his argument as well.

And Tai does bring up a legitimate point – no one who has a torn elbow ligament is going to risk throwing up halfcourt shots during practice before a very crucial postseason game with the series in the balance when it is absolutely unnecessary to do so. That is why many are questioning whether the elbow injury is truly legit, and if it is, if it’s as bad as a torn elbow ligament (unlikely in my opinion).

by cavaliersfan on May 12, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

True.

Man, the playoffs have really shown clearly that the Cavs need a true point guard. Someone that can facilitate. I think the guards have been in this seasons playoff.

by Ilamuku on May 12, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ligament tear?

Is this just an excuse because the Cavs are loosing to an “inferior team”?

by Scal4theallstargame on May 12, 2010 8:03 PM CDT reply actions  

i would hope this is just a rumor

If true Lebron is risking the rest of his career to play some so-so basketball.

by spinz on May 12, 2010 8:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Celtics fan here

Great series so far. But I will definatly admit something is wrong with LeBron and it’s a shame. But what is confusing to me is, why can’t yall sustain a high level of play without him? I mean a 32 pt loss at home? No flame here at all, just for a team of yalls caliber you would think others can carry the load.

I know yall dont have 4 legitimate scorers like we do, but you got Jamison/Williams who we both know can carry some what of a load.

Best of luck in game 6!

by C'sfan4life on May 12, 2010 8:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Good post imo, exactly what I was thinking of posting ;)

Thanks for doing it for me ;)

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by Kiorrik on May 13, 2010 3:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

man, Lebron is my favorite player and now that may change..

He doesnt seem to have the desire to win (no drive like mike or kobe), and he seems to have an elbow “injury” which is hardly believable. This makes me wonder: will LeBron James only be the MVP of the league or an NBA champion. Sorry Lebron but, for now you are not King until you win the highest honor.

by LeBronSHITonKobe on May 12, 2010 8:53 PM CDT reply actions  

EPIC FAIL..

Excuses and reasons.. These stories come out just now after the poor play on that game? lol.. The injury happened on game 4 against the bulls?? He did fine in the other 5 games.. It’s just that Cleveland doesnt have any other playmaker besides lebron.. And criticize kobe for shooting 20 fg a game coz he just wont quit.. lebron just quit that game.. EPIC FAIL

by icecreamshoes on May 12, 2010 9:39 PM CDT reply actions  

plyka

you hit the nail on the head

by cdaw on May 12, 2010 10:47 PM CDT reply actions  

What is going on on this thread? Are Cavs fans allowed to talk rationally about their team without trolls popping up?

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by Turkmenbashi on May 13, 2010 8:39 AM CDT reply actions  

I don’t know, but it’s sad. Why do we let this continue on our site? This is why I don’t bothering coming here often any more, because it’s impossible to have an intelligent conversation without it turning in to Cleveland and LeBron bashing by trolls.

by Buckeye Brad on May 13, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree. As someone who visits many team blogs, none gets the amount of trolling like you guys and it’s unfair. Obviously having Lebron James on your team brings out the green monster in these trolling fans from other blogs, most who are such cowards they blanket themselves under mule accounts.

by SpursGerbil on May 13, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, spursgerbil, most other blogs are dictatorial with ‘outside’ posters, and thus you don’t see any trolls, as the sites seem to ruthlessly cut dissenting opinions, or to ban people who do no more than disagree. This site wants to let all sides be heard, and sometimes when we are away for a few hours we walk back into a storm like the one on this thread….it is a tough balance, we WANT people like you, who are here for the conversation and the interchange, and sometimes the trolls actually talk sensibly, and it is hard to delete a post that actually tries to have a point.
The offending passages in this thread are about to be deleted. As far as banning people, I will leave that up to the ’coach.

by AncientMariner on May 13, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

You make a good point, clearly I don’t want blogs shutting out users like myself who come in for some basketball talk among fans. I guess you do get a few people who come in looking for nothing more then to incite anger from the blogs own members, but I do get what you guys are trying to do.

by SpursGerbil on May 13, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks spursgerbil, the good news is, the true basketball fans will remain when the trolls move on to the next series and opponent’s website to play. You are always welcome here, as are many of the Celtics fans and Magic fans who have posted here and been at least dignified…as long as personal insults and nonsensical character attacks are kept to a minimum, this is a pretty nice place to visit, I think.

by AncientMariner on May 13, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

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