Season Over...Celtics end the Cavaliers misery 94-85
by John Bena (aka CavsBlogger) on May 13, 2010 10:17 PM CDT
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PrintLet me start by giving credit to the Boston Celtics. Largely dismissed for much of the season, the Celtics rose from the ashes and played with the heart of a champion. If there was a loose ball to get, they got it. If there was a big shot to hit, they hit it. If there was a rebound to get, they got it. Full credit to Boston for putting their foot on the Cavaliers' throat and ending the series when they had the chance.
Now for the Cavaliers. LeBron James will get all the focus - he's the man and it comes with the territory. Tonight was about many of the problems that have been a part of the Cavaliers for years now - sloppy offense, horrible free throw shooting, and a half-court defense that gets chewed up by quality offensive teams.
LeBron is special, even with the issues that will likely arise in the coming days. Even so, James needs help. Once again, he didn't receive any. Yes, Mo Williams had a solid night, but as has been the case with Mo, it lasted just a half.
Antawn Jamison, brought in to be that offensive punch from the PF position that the Cavaliers had lacked, was largely ineffective for the series. It was especially so tonight when Jamison scored just 5 points on 2-10 shooting.
Mike Brown, who spoke of lineup changes in tonight's game, stayed with the same lineups, the same rotations, that have struggled for much of the playoffs. The Cavaliers didn't go 'small' until the 3:50 mark of the 4th Quarter. In the end, Brown's insistence to stick with an offense that ran through Shaquille O`Neal was part of his undoing this series - and might be his undoing as the Head Coach of the Cavaliers.
The Cavaliers rebounded better - 48-37, but most of that was countered by 24 Cavaliers turnovers. When it mattered most, the Cavaliers were at their sloppiest. Even down the stretch, when the Cavs needed a rebound, they couldn't come up with it. Sometimes that's how it goes when the focus isn't there.
LeBron James, for his part, showed up with much more effort, but was clearly bothered by something. He did end up with a Triple-Double - 27 points, 19 rebounds and 10 assists, but 9 turnovers - many unforced - told the tale. What was wrong? We'll soon find out.
I will say this, ligament tear or not, LeBron James played like a guy that was hurting. Everything was left handed. LeBron dribbled left-handed, when he did chose to attack the basket, he shot left-handed. LeBron James is the greatest player on the planet with his right-hand. He's a very good player left-handed. Big difference.
There will be plenty of talk the coming days about Why. Why did the Cavs lose the series. Why did a locker room that was so close for so much of the season come unglued. Whatever the reason, whatever the answers, we've seen this story before, and we've seen the ending before. Perhaps it is time to shake the tree a bit.
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Congratulations to the Celtics and their fans that are civil.
They wanted it a lot more than this team and coaching staff. And as tough it is for me to say this, the Celtics deserved it more than this Cavs squad.
Now that that is out of the way, I’m utterly disgusted by the effort I saw out of this team in the final seconds. And the coaching staff has no excuse whatsoever. I’d like to see their heads on a proverbial stick.
Our team gave us a big middle finger by giving up. It’s sad to say we can’t walk away from this one at least glad that they gave it their all, because they didn’t.
I agree with both your post Simmsinns. This Celtics fan I know was bugging me about the series, but he’s told me he has a lot of respect for LBJ and hope he stays. Good thing he was civil, because I would’ve gone ballistic lol.
Goodbye, Mike Brown and please stay, LBJ. That’s all I have to say.
Noone wants to see a franchise lose their franchise player.
They want their team to BEAT that franchise. That’s how it works imo.
Good luck in the off-season, it looks like you’ll need it.
- Dirk van Boxtel, the wandering Celtic fan.
Twitter: @4Hoopz
I’m absolutely baffled by this, too.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on May 13, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
When I was a little kid, Pre Cavs existence, the Celtics were the team I rooted for..MOST of their fans used to be classy and civil..Whoever wins the EAST, THAT is the team I’ll be backing..I just hope it is Boston
by cavslandrocks on May 13, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
good luck to the cavs from here. i think LBJ goes nowhere
by celticinorlando on May 13, 2010 10:12 PM CDT reply actions
Please, please, PLEASE kick the shit out of Orlando.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on May 13, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Simmsinss…you said it best Im a celts fan and I was even po’d for you guys at the end. Thats a trashy move to quit like that at the end of the game. Start looking for a new coach, Brown knows hes unemployed at this point
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by Nick Sannicandro on May 13, 2010 10:13 PM CDT reply actions
Welcome to the club....get on the boat
I’d say your club is a more expensive version of us, but I don’t want to get jumped. Want fishing pole? I just hate to see a team that’s begging for a shot at the title give up at the end.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
mike brown happened
He has no control over that team. Well, i wouldnt say NO control, but he doesnt have a lot.
Bron is gone yall.. Im not tryna bash, but how can your team give up with 45 seconds remaining?? No fouls, no urgency, no traps forcing turnovers.. nothing. I mean, have they never heard of reggie miller vs the knicks?
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
Celtics are not a better team. They have a much better coach.
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
by SSreporters on May 13, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now that I think of it you're right
Rondo, Garnett, Allen, and Pierce wipe the floor with the Cavs. But still, they have a much better coach.
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
by SSreporters on May 13, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
hmmm
It felt like… it felt like, you know that episode in those old action cartoons, where the good guys are fighting some uber-powerful robot, and at some point during the battle, the robot loses it’s head, but it’s body keeps fighting. It punches and fires weapons into empty space but aside from a lucky swipe here or there, it really has no chance, because it’s panicking without its head. We were that robot.
That’s how it felt. But, mind you, I’m already a little drunk.
The Cavs were so concerned about the Magic
They completely forgot about the Celtics. All of the trades were done to counter the Magic effect of last season’s loss to Orlando. Stoudamire would have destroyed K.G if played at the power forward spot and Iglauskas would have been a good compliment to Amare’s style. I think that the Cavs still had the pieces to beat the Celtics but the trades made it hard for an average coach like Mike Brown to figure out the right matchups. I really do think he won most of the games based on the strength of James and not his tactical skills.
Me Against The World And I'm Winning
In my wildest dreams, I can’t imagine how Ilgauskas compliments Amare on the floor.
You are reading my signature.
Amare
would have destroyed EVERYONE on the Cavs, he does it now and that is without a Lebron sidekick. Lebron is the heart of the team, and when your heart is not 100% everything else suffers from it. Team chemistry and poor coaching also contributed to a premature end.
First of all, credit to the celtics. They were underestimated by everybody, including me. When they’re injury free they are still an elite contender and it won’t surprise me if they get past Orlando.
Now onto us, yes Lebron didn’t shoot well and got some TO’s but 27-19-10 is 27-19-10, he equaled his career high in rebounds. He tried hard and thats all you can ask.
Mo still can’t be relied on in the playoffs. I thought last year’s experience would make him a better playoff player, and it didn’t. If we can trade him for an upgrade i’d be all for that. Jamison is talented, but he still has a habit of disappearing when we need him, he was bad today, he was outplayed by KG, he was even outplayed by Rasheed, i’d be for trading him too if we can get value for him.
It hurts that Shaq looked like the only guy who cared at times throughout this series. It hurts to criticize him because he was trying damn hard every step of the way, and i would give anything for him to be about 3 years younger. But even though the will is there he is not an asset anymore and we shouldn’t resign him. Same with Z. We clearly though JJ was a special player, and he’s not. He’s the reason we got Jamison rather than Amare, that was a mistake.
We need to make roster changes, and besides Lebron, out of all the players that played more than 10 minutes i would only keep Varejao. Everyone else is tradeable, perhaps we could get someone in a sign and trade.
But any roster changes and trade talk is meaningless until July, noone is coming here until Lebron makes his decision.
dude. varejao sucks. dont defend him.
by karamjitm9090 on May 13, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
really?
dude held out on the team until he got his bloated contract. and there is no way his play justifies the $$
by karamjitm9090 on May 14, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought the three straight plays to Andy
that resulted in turnovers were the key point where the game was lost. I thought the Cavs fans say they are mad at their team for quitting, but I think they gave it all they had and just lost. Lebron was not 100% and the Celtics loaded up on him. I think while dissappointing, the Cavs after some reflection can appreciate what their team gave them, a great year. Think positive, basketball fans, anything is possible. Now is more than ever a time to hold on to hope.
I think the whole game ended on the no-call on LeBron followed by the ticky-tack foul on Rondo followed by two offensive boards for the Celtics.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on May 13, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
that too sir, that too
Give the coach credit, he called the lack of energy out after game 1 and 2. I don’t like his coaching ability, but at least he wasn’t pretending all was okay when it was apparent that it wasn’t.
Andy doesn’t suck. Andy just shouldn’t be put in a position where he’s putting the ball on the floor. That’s like running Joe Thomas on a post pattern and getting upset that he can’t outrun Darryl Revis or something.
I didn't say it was Andy's fault
I thought it was on the players on the floor to get a good shot. Andy shood only shoot a set shot or a dunk off of a defensive lapse. They gave it to him under duress with little shot clock. Fail.
I, uh… I don’t know what to say. I just don’t. Where do we go from here? As a team? As a city? I’m beside myself, I really am.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
Hold on, remember the sun will rise again
It is so hard to mesh as a team when a starter comes back when the playoffs start. Bad luck all around, coupled with a resurgent Boston team. It is unfortunate to see the better team not reach it’s potential.
Where do we go… as a city? You’re worried about the future of a city because a basketball team lost?
I feel you, bro. I truly, truly do. Tonight my 7-year old nephew asked his dad – my brother – before bed, “Did the Cavs win?” Welcome to the city of sports pain, my beautiful boy. I had The Drive. I was at the game for The Shot. He gets The Elbow, or WTF this will be dubbed.
But the city? Trust me, this is the city you want. You don’t want to identify your sports fandom with cities that have such massive senses of entitlement that they forget what it’s like to sweat. Those cities don’t want competition; they want titles handed to them on a semi-annual basis. They think they’re champions as a result. Instead, they don’t see that they’re not even competitors. They represent the worst of sports.
We’re on the other extreme, yeah. It’s a rough lot. But what defines us is the pride that feels so often challenged. What defines us is work ethic. What defines us is the belief that we’ll earn it one day… and if we don’t, we’ll go down doing things the right way.
(But, still, it was supposed to be now. And it hurts.)
by tabler84 on May 13, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
I agree with everything you said, and I really appreciate you words. This is really difficult, though. Surpassing ’97 Tribe for me easily, maybe worse than ’07. Certainly worse if LeBron leaves.
Put it this way. I know you’re right, but I’m gonna need a lot of time after this one.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on May 13, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
07 is still thr worst for me because a title was a lock had we gotten there.
95 and 97 sucked but I though we would be back again the next year.
The 80’s Browns losses to Denver don’t bother me much now because we would have gotten slaughtered by the Giants and 49’ers just like the Broncos (MAYBE we play Washington tough but they probably beat us too).
90’s Cavs couldn’t beat Jordan, ohh well join the club.
2007 was the worst for me by far.
Love the city too
Nice job keeping things in perspective. I’ve lived away from Cleveland since I went to college back in 1976, but it’s always been home for me, in part because my mother lived there until her death last November, and I visited her twice a year. I wouldn’t trade my love of Cleveland for all the championships won by New York, Boston, and LA put together.
I’m no great student of the game of basketball, but what happened in the Celtics series seems really easy to explain. First, the Celtics played terrific basketball. That alone might have been enough for us to lose, but, second, LeBron got hurt. I just don’t get all that TV commentary about LeBron ‘giving up.’ He’s a guy who plays basketball with the same natural grace and power with which an eagle flies. Yes, he’s studied and worked with incredible discipline to improve his game, but basically he’s a natural. The injury changed all that. He couldn’t trust his dribble; he couldn’t trust his shot. That look on LeBron’s face in Game 5 was the look of a supremely gifted young man discovering for the first time that he had a problem he couldn’t overcome. The team was built to support LeBron, and, without him able to play his game, the Cavs had only the slimmest of chances of getting by Boston. The Celtics won fair and square, and congratulations to them, but if LeBron had been 100%, I think the odds that the Cavs would win the series would be better than even.
Still, it’s a tough blow because it was so unexpected. It was just three weeks ago or so that LeBron shot a three-pointer from half court in Chicago. But while watching the last game against the Bulls (before the left-handed free throw), I turned to my wife and said “Something’s wrong with LeBron.” And I tasted ashes as I said it.
Nice post, Tabler....ABC = Adversity Builds Character
You’re right, Tabler, it goes back to the nobility of Sisyphus rolling the boulder up the hill. Despite the exodus over the past 50 years for jobs and warmer climates, despite the jokes of knuckleheads like David Letterman (the worst host in Oscar history), despite the mindless comments by people who know absolutely nothing about how work, and the worker, deserve our respect….despite all of that, Cleveland is still a great city filled with good people who have the right priorities.
Here’s hoping that your little nephew someday witnesses some glory days for Cleveland sports that rival the 1948 Indians and the 1964 Browns!
by BrownsCavaliersIndiansForev on May 15, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Another additional comment: Rajon Rondo is the best point guard in the NBA, right now. He turns it on in the playoffs and reaches levels that are near inhuman. No one is playing better than him right now. Nash and Deron get the points, get the assists, but neither can demand the boards like Rondo, on top of a ton of points and assists. He also directs the offense and commands that team despite 3 ex-superstars and their egos on the team. Brilliant of the Celts to get his contract extension out of the way earlier this season.
Rajon Rondo is something else, and highs plenty of god-like playoff performances ahead of him.
I still don’t like his busch-league scuffles from the 2009 Bulls-Celts series, however.
I think Rondo is good
but I don’t agree with the best sentiment. The guy does little things very well, but a team should really be able to defend him better than the Cavs did. Make him shoot outside, limit penetration and put a body on him.
Or make him shoot free throws.
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
by SSreporters on May 13, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I highly doubt Nelson will do much to slow him down. Rondo is too good in the playoffs for someone like Nelson to affect him.
I still give the edge to Orlando due to Dwight Who and Rashard Lewis. I don’t think Kevin has it in him to constantly come out and stop the Lewis three pointers.
I think he is a very very very good PG, and the biggest reason the Celtics have got this far, but in my opinion it’s still possible to contain him if you get your D right, and it’s not as easy to contain Deron.
by CavsLebronFan on May 13, 2010 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem with Mike Brown
Is that he loses in the same fashion every year. It’s like he has no idea what to do in April and May and it has shown in the last two years more than the previous three.
There has to be something done with him. Brown is the new Avery Johnson. Great regular season coach and a mediocre playoff coach.
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
Calipari? And if the Lakers don’t win we could have a shot at Phil Jackson.
by CavsLebronFan on May 13, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Phil isn't going anywhere
And this late in his life, you are better off with a younger coach anyways. You can’t get much worse offensively than Brown.
I’ve heard that if they don’t win that the lakers won’t want to pay him the same 8 figures he’s been getting. I’m sure we’d be happy to him, it’s a long shot but it’s not impossible.
by CavsLebronFan on May 13, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Shaq should retire and become head coach
Instant championship.
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
by SSreporters on May 13, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
He'll escape with a new job
Of scrubbing the floors at KFC.
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
by SSreporters on May 13, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
well i am back
and i told myself at the start of the series that if my celtics won that I would rub it in and everything but I am going to take the classy way and simply say
I wish your team and your city the best of luck, sorry if I annoyed anyone with my feelings and misspelled words, but hey my gut feeling was right and your stats was wrong.
get rid of that guy who you call is your coach, he isnt very good at his job.
Look, I’ve only got one thing to say to you…
Beat Orlando. Please.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on May 13, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
finally we agree
i think we have the matchups and we have the heart
we just have to get it done.
by celticcrazy on May 13, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
yepp
just like my celtics didnt have a chance in hell of beating the cavs
we love being the underdog
by celticcrazy on May 13, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
the sun shines on a dog's ass once a day
Never trust a fart
by AB's triple double on May 14, 2010 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions
orl
is better the way they are playing they win it all nothing against boston
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider
At this point, I’m not sure which team I dislike more. And then there’s the Lakers too…
Well, I know one thing: The only team I don’t hate is Phoenix. I’ll be backing the Suns. If they fall, it’s a lose-lose.
Orlando, by far. I respect the hell out of Boston after this series, and I begrudgingly respect LA and Kbeo.
Dwight is a fraud and that team is built on trick shots and Stan Van Gundy’s fat ass. I hate every ounce of every player on the team, from that POS showboating has-been Vince Carter to big ol’ Mr. Smirky. Excuse me, but fuck the Magic.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on May 13, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Showboating???
Lebron and the Cavs legacy is to take imaginary pictures and dance around like clowns when leading.
Me Against The World And I'm Winning
by Andeezy on May 13, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cavs board. Don’t like what I say about your team? Then GTFO.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on May 13, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Ligthen up guy even Lebron is in a good mood
He actually stood around after the final buzzer so cheer up basketball isnt over you still get to watch the last two conference champs battle.
Me Against The World And I'm Winning
I’d like to put forth a recommendation for a tougher troll policy.
Otherwise these threads could end up looking like a Yahoo! Sports comment section.
You and everyone else here
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on May 13, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
We’ve been saying that for over a year, and for some reason it hasn’t done any good. It’s too bad, really, because this could be a great site but we let it get filled with a-holes which makes us look bad and keeps away the intelligent commentators. Many people here have asked to ban more trolls but nothing ever gets done, so we have the same Celtic, Magic, and Laker idiots come back here to bother us.
by Buckeye Brad on May 14, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
The man was just stating his opinion…. and you?
You’ve resorted to trolling. Fans like you embarrass the rest.
Stay classy, Orlando.
Also, you’ve made up my mind for me, I hope the Celtics win.
His opinion was fuck Orlando so fuck Cleveland thats my opinion
Me Against The World And I'm Winning
um i think you are worried about the wrong team
your team is playing the celtics sunday, not the cavs
oh and we arent atlanta or charlotte, if thats hard to believe, then there is plenty of cavs fans that will agree with me on that
by celticcrazy on May 13, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
The Celtics are definately not the Hawks
The Hawks swept the Celtics and had a better record were second offensively. We swept the best defence in the NBA so how do the Celtics plan on containing us .
Me Against The World And I'm Winning
well
the cavs had the best player and the best record in the regular season and we only needed six games to bounce them
Atlanta needed seven games to beat the bucks with no bogut and we swept charlotte during the regular season
we match up well with dwight, rondo and pierce have better matchups. Kg is healthy and will dominate in the post. The bench has played very well and if ray ray gets going, then watch out.
by celticcrazy on May 13, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
This is a Cavs blog and he’s a Cavs fan. He has every right to state his opinion and perhaps vent his frustrations here. The big difference that makes him just another fan, and you a troll, is that you feel the need to talk trash here.
I’m sure he didn’t run to your blog last year and ask “Hey Stan, how’s Pau’s ass taste?” or “What’s it like shooting a realistic 3pt percentage? I bet it feels like ‘Lakers in 5’.”
I didnt come here bashing the Cavs
just because its the Cavs blog doesnt mean that its ok to just say fuck the other team and degrade their coach.
Me Against The World And I'm Winning
After a loss like this, it sure does. It’s our blog. We’re blowing off steam after being heartbroken. Don’t take it so personally.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on May 13, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
By the way, it’s because of fans trolls like you that the rest of the basketball world hates the Orlando Magic.
No respect from media? Nah, it’s just that they don’t like you. But who can blame them?
Wow im impressed
Look he dissed the Magic , I dissed the Cavs he said he was just venting after a bitter defeat which is completly understandable. No need to further spew your stupidity. The media is just witnesses players like the Cavs and Magic make their lives meaningful. Anyway better luck next year.
Me Against The World And I'm Winning
You shouldnt be on here slamming the Cavs.
These fans are potentially losing a top 5 all-time player. Besides the ECF this year is basically Orlando/Boston playing for 2nd place. Good luck with that.
I’m pulling for the Cavs to keep Lebron, though I despise him with every once of my fleeting NBA fandom. But I hate the large market teams, and would hate to see Cleveland lose another superstar. Majority of my in-laws live in Cleveland and it killed my father in-law and uncles to watch the World series last year.
Good Luck
Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain. Lily Tomlin
by Leapin Lion on May 14, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I’d like Boston to lose because they beat us. It sounds childish, but I can’t help but root against them.
Then again, I don’t like the Magic any more than Boston. So play on.
Well maybe if your lucky
Boston’s plane will crash into the O-Rena and kill both teams, then you can just root for the Suns against the Lakers for the Championship…
Do you guys really think this is all Mike Brown’s fault? We took a defensive-minded coach and gave him Shaq and Jamison. What’s he supposed to do with that? What would you all have done better?
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
I can’t put it all on Mike Brown, and I respect his fantastic defense, and loved it executed here so well for 3 strait regular season.
The problem is, we need more in a coach to win a championship.
What could any of us done better? Well, probably nothing. But we don’t get paid millions to do so.
This team was too slow to keep up with the Celtics. Even with Kendrick Perkins on the floor.
Brown should’ve realized this and gone short and fast as quickly as possible.
Blake: Thanks to you, I am damaged beyond repair!!
As I’ve said before, if 100 basketball noobs on this board can see that, don’t you think Mike Brown could, too? Obviously, there was a reason he didn’t go with that lineup. We might never know, but to think this never occurred to Brown is absurd.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on May 14, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Shaq on Garnett?
I can’t understand that plan. Why not just move Lebron to the 4 and play Garnett? I am not a great coach like Brown, but as far as some of the things he does, he cancels out the good things. But Jamison and Mo really failed to deliver so that can’t be all on the coach. Lebron makes everyone a lot better though, and with him not 100% it brought down the level of the entire team.
Maybe now you will moderate out the screen name
LeBronSHITSonKobe
Karma is a mutha…
…but you will probably moderate my message out and keep that obscene name as one of your revered members
You have no evidence whatsoever to back this statement. Revered members? What, at all, makes you say that? Oh, nothing.
What’s your real agenda here? You’re just another troll.
My agenda? Maybe to let my 13 year old son read some of these blogs so he can get a background on all the teams and players he loves… I objected to the above name earlier without spite and was removed – moderated out while that POS statements were left intact… not a troll… but checking out the classy FTS blog
As a Celtics fan, of course I’m very happy…but I truly do feel for you guys as fans with the whole lebron situation, can’t imagine that being easy. goodluck in the offseason!
by faithfulcelticfan34 on May 13, 2010 11:09 PM CDT reply actions
go listen to it again…He called the Cavs “his team” and said it would be decided by him AND his team
by cavslandrocks on May 13, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
and what do you think four Akron, OH boys, three of whom were the “Fab Four” at SVSM are going to come up with?….
AND he DID call the CAVS his team-TWICE…I’m sure the vids will be posted on STO and cavs.com soon..go listen again
by cavslandrocks on May 13, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
The truth his, you’re not going to get anything concrete or even any clues from this post game interview.
We won’t know until much closer to July 1st.
Personally, my guess is that’s 50/50.
what I got from that is that it’s to early to even think about it..had they won and gone on to a championship, it would be a done deal that he stays…My take is that he wants to stay, but only is he feels they have a chance to win it all next year
by cavslandrocks on May 13, 2010 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I did. His team has a game plan and the are going to execute it. Not the Cavs. His decision this summer will not be made by the Cavs.
can you read?
I stated very clearly that he said it will be “his and his team’s” decision…not the Cavs
and quite clearly you don’t realize that HE is is management…
IF you’re a Cavs fan, you need to act like it and wait for a definitive statement from LeBron..I could give you a few links to actual news stories in which he says-not cryptically-that he’s staying…dating back to last summer
by cavslandrocks on May 13, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
In an interview on NBA TV, James said, "I got a goal, and it’s a huge goal, and that’s to bring an NBA championship here to Cleveland. And I won’t stop until I get it."
just Google the line above and you’ll see there is ZERO chance that Lebron leaves…
Lebron will leave no matter what the fans think
I don’t care what anyone says. I’ve seen a lot of him over the years and he’s been exciting to watch, but he is really cocky and full of himself. He recently stated he was called the closer, what happened to that? He will go where the money goes. Remember the 60 minutes interview? His goal was to be a billionaire not a King in the NBA that actually has rings to earn him that title.
by LeBronSHITonKobe on May 13, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Really??
September 18,2009
For a few die-hards, it was a chance to deliver a message to James, who can become a free agent next summer. The Cavaliers offered James a contract extension this summer, but the 24-year-old has not yet signed it, saying he wants to keep his options open for the future, a stance that has some Cleveland fans worried he’ll go to another team.
“Don’t leave us, man,” one fan said as James scrawled his name.
“I ain’t leaving,” James said, smiling.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4484217
There are a few others similar to this like the interview after the bikeathon in Aug 2009 when he said he has everything he could want in the Cavs/Cleveland
but I’ve lost the links to those..What all this means is that NO ONE knows where he’s going to be next year..Not you, not me, and probably not even him, but if he is to be believed then the odds favor him staying
by cavslandrocks on May 14, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Bud, you’re an ass. Everyone knows when he referred to “his team” in regards to the future, it was his MANAGEMENT team. He is all about branding and making decisions based on a strategy. I was simply pointing it out. Chill out.
I point out the obvious (that you misread my post), I’m civil but you hurl insults, and yet SOMEHOW, I’m an ass?…Maybe you are the one who needs to chill out..I’m glad you know exactly what he meant and were able to impart that knowledge to us all…You must be high up at LRMR..He referred to BOTH the Cavs and “his team” (LRMR) as being his team…and just remember that the “L” in LRMR stands for LeBron…He is his “marketing team’s” final decision maker
You feel welcome to keep on arguing but I’m done with you
by cavslandrocks on May 14, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope Lebron leaves.
Look, there’s no way else to say this. This guy is an amazing player, but his ego and need for attention has allowed himself to create this media circus around “will he stay or will he go?” It’s been a huge distraction for almost 2 years now. If he signs with the Cavs, it’s just a huge slap in the face to the fanbase for making us sit on pins and needles and by allowing this dark cloud to hang over the team.
By signing his previous 3 year contract, he has held the team hostage to all of his whims on what players to bring in, what players to trade for, etc. If he signs again … it’s going to be for another 3 year contract and this charade starts all over again.
What if Lebron makes his intentions clear that he is not coming back unless Mike Brown is still the coach? Why would he want to come back here if the Cavs have a new coach that is a hard-ass? The Cav FO would have to respect his wishes.
Kobe held the Lakers hostage several times. Still one titles with them. Not wanting the best player on earth on your team is lunacy.
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by Turkmenbashi on May 14, 2010 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
More reason Lebron should change his nickname to “The Jester”. The “King” is so 2009.
by purpleonblack86 on May 14, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions
He has to weigh whether or not he wants to be despised by his ‘hometown’ fans. Because if he bolts, after the failures of the past 2 playoffs, he will be hated.
That last 52 seconds are what remain of his ‘legacy’ … and that ain’t good.
Especially if he goes to the Knicks and helps them win 35 games.
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If LeBron leaves, will he become the most hated person in Cleveland sports history?
To me, yes. I’m sure others will still say Modell.
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by Turkmenbashi on May 14, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I would be satisfied to have them both share the lowest level of Dante’s Hell reserved for traitors with Judas Iscariot.
Marte = Victory
by woodsmeister on May 14, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, because leaving your hometown sports team is tantamount to betraying the son of God lol
by darkcorvus70 on May 14, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Brutus and Cassius are there, too with Judas. It’s for traitors.
Marte = Victory
by woodsmeister on May 14, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Personally, I’m sick of hearing about Kobe…..Won titles with a dominating force in the middle(Shaq), then didn’t even win a playoff series from 2005 – 2007. Not. One. Series. Then, the Grizzlies simply give Gasol to the Lakers(an All-Star interior player in his prime) and the Lakers are back.
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by John Bena (aka CavsBlogger) on May 14, 2010 12:13 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You’re absolutely right. I think everyone other then Kenny Smith and Jeff Van Gundy have this in the back of their minds.
Don’t get me wrong, he’s an great player, but he’s never done it without another elite guy on the team.
It’s just a fact, guy. Clearly, a fact that you cannot dispute in anyway.
Funny how a Lakers fan seems to spend more time on a Cavs blog, than anywhere else.
Lakers don’t win a game until Monday – and I for one am tired of the cry of foul when it comes to the Gasol trade – The Grizz got what they wanted – a Gasol that averaged almost the same stats as his big brother – plus expiring contracts that got them Zach Randolh and some picks – Memphis won 22 games in Gasol’s last year with the team and won 22 the year he left – they have got better every year since. Phil is the biggest reason the Lakers have done well since 2008 – The years you mentioned the Lakres didn’t win a series is because those years Kobe was LeBron – running the team – until Cleveland gets a coach that LeBron will defer to – you will have the same problem – if LeBron tunes out the coach – the team tunes out the coach – it doesn’t help that your coach cannot make halftime adjustments – I beieve LeBron has the best chance for a championship in Cleveland – You MUST get a real coach…
I'm no Lakers fan
but how can you criticize Kobe for the players he had/has around him? A ring is a ring is a ring. Doesn’t matter how you get it – who you get it with … if you win a championship NOTHING else matters.
Kobe is a great player – to dispute that is ridiculous.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
I don’t think anyone who is thinking critically would dispute that. However, even the great MJ couldn’t win a title, until Pippen landed in Chi-Town. Kobe didn’t win those titles by himself.
In the modern NBA, it takes at least two. That was the point that was being made.
by darkcorvus70 on May 14, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Who HAS? And 3 years? Some teams go 3 decades with no titles...
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by Chris Child's Fist on May 14, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
ok its one thing to vent out your frustrations—no matter how dumb and ridiculous it would sound.
but its another thing to hurl completely stupid statements that have no basis whatsoever.
1. about shaq winning titles—the same could be said for shaq. he never won titles in orlando, he won with the help of bryant and wade. again, he didnt win with lebron.
2. about the lakers being back with gasol—ABSOLUTE NONSENSE. the lakers were in the championship hunt—waaayyy before gasol came. that year that gasol came the lakers were already pretty good, with bynum flashing skills that had teams fearing the lakers. that year, the lakers had the bench mob—which was considered the second best team in the NBA when farmar, vujacic, walton, odom, turiaf, etc…wrecked havoc with speed and 3-point shooting. this was the lakers team that had vujacic hitting his 3s and him being a lock-down defender, then they had radmanovic hitting HIS 3s as well as a starter. gasol came in the january trade when bynum was injured and he DID put the lakers officially on the top of the heap. that year however, the lakers roster werent battle-tested and thus lost to the celtics.
the year after that, bynum came back, is when the lakers won it all. so id like to think that it was actually bynum’s help (or at least equally with gasol) that made the lakers champions.
this year the bench is crap, but at least the lakers are at full strength with bynum at 80% (meniscus tear). the lakers should hope bynum doesnt tear his knee more before the championship.
one more thing—the years that kobe lost—how do you expect him to win with a roster like: kwame brown, smush parker, luke walton, chris mihm, and a rookie andrew bynum? this is NO WHERE near the lebron roster that includes shaq (past his prime but still a force), mo williams, delonte west, z ilgauskas, a varejao, a jamison!
The lakers were in the championship hunt before Gasol came? So that’s why Kobe was demanding a trade from this team that was supposedly “in the championship hunt”. Kobe is a great player, a Hall of Famer, but he’d still be losing early in the playoffs if the Gasol trade never happened. Lebron has never had a player as good as Gasol on his team.
And look at the team Lebron had that he took to the Finals in 2007, no better than what Kobe had after Shaq and before Pau.
by CavsLebronFan on May 14, 2010 4:58 AM CDT up reply actions
The Lakers had reached #1 in numerous power rankings well before they got Pau
I can bring links if you want. This is because Andrew Bynum had begun to blossom into a 20 and 10 guy. The Lakers were on top of the West for a decent period of time during the 2007-2008 season. The biggest reason they traded for Pau Gasol was because Bynum went down with a season ending injury. After winning a game in January shortly after Andrew Bynum went down, Kobe said that he hoped Andrew got back soon because “with him in the lineup we’re a championship caliber team”.
Not going to deny that Pau Gasol definitely propelled the Lakers to new heights unimaginable before the start of that season, but really the addition of Derek Fisher and the emergence of Bynum had the Lakers on the right track already. Lakers fans learned that it’s hard to do it by yourself. Now Cavs fans know this too.
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The Cavs have been #1 in a lot of power rankings for a lot of the last 2 seasons, and it didn’t get us any rings. And the Lakers may have ranked highly in the rankings but that’s because they were led by the best player on the planet at the time, just like we were, and they were doing well in the regular season just like us but that doesn’t mean they would have won a ring in the last 3 seasons.
by CavsLebronFan on May 14, 2010 5:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Power rankings don’t mean squat.
Marte = Victory
by woodsmeister on May 14, 2010 7:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Power Rankings?
AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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by Turkmenbashi on May 14, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
you got your facts wrong
Here is a FACT, the Lakers were #1 in the West BEFORE Gasol was traded to the Lakers in midseason. Kobe wanted a trade or a better team the offseason BEFORE. So get your facts straight —-yes, the Lakers were #1 in the west BEFORE Gasol got there in mid year.
I agree with your last graph. That Lakers team, minus Kobe, was pretty hilariously bad.
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by Turkmenbashi on May 14, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Not to pour it on to you guys
but it’s hard to think of any transcendent talent that has won a title without some elite company. Kobe hasn’t, but neither has Lebron…and it’s looking like he probably never will. That’s just how the NBA works. You need the killer 1-2 punch (Kobe Shaq…Wade Shaq….Kobe Pau…Michael Scottie) or the “super team” (4 all-star pistons, Big 3 Celtics, Tony Tim Manu Spurs)
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I dunno, John. After the Jamison deal, can we really bitch about the Gasol trade anymore?
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by Turkmenbashi on May 14, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
We’d need to find Jamison first. Does anyone know where he went?
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by emd2k3 on May 14, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bad results don’t mean the trade wasn’t still a swindle.
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by Turkmenbashi on May 14, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Nah
If the Cavs had gotten Amare though, mother effing a. Right up there with the Gasol trade. Jamison was a good add, but nowhere near the impact of a Gasol.
Hindsight is 20/20. Most people though Jamison put us over the top.
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by Turkmenbashi on May 14, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
That Gasol trade endewd up helping BOTH teams
Marc Gasol is blossoming pretty damn well! And Memphis knew they werent gonan hold onto Gasol, so they used him to build for the future and they did an excellent job of it!
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by Chris Child's Fist on May 14, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Funny too, how everyone seems to give the Celtics a pass
when McHale gift-wrapped Garnett to his old buddy, Ainge.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
very true.
Al Jefferson was a talent though…. but that was a gift wrapped transaction.
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by Chris Child's Fist on May 14, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
You have a point, the Jamison trade could be mentioned.
But while we are on the subject, because Mike Brown isn’t good with adjustment / matchups / line-ups, I think the addition of Jamison hurt this team. I was very hesitant when we were in talks, I called for no trade, we didn’t need one.
The biggest effect Jamison had, was it made MB take time from Varejao and Hickson. Especially Andy, because can play actual defense on KG.
HAHAHAHA you are a complete dummy
Lebron’s team last year won 66 games in the regular season! How can you claim that such a team was not good enough to win a ring? Then this year, Lebron’s team is again the best in the league with the best record…and again, he wins NOTHING!
Kobe on the other hand has gone to 6, yes count them, 6 NBA finals and has won 4 titles! Yes, the city of Cleveland has gone how many years without a title in ANY sport, and Kobe has won 4 by himself. Did he have help? Of course he did. No one can win it alone. But his help was not any more than Lebron has had over these previous 2 season, and you can see that with the regular season records. I don’t even remember Kobe being on a team which won 66 games or more, yet he has 4 titles, been to the NBA finals 6 times…and Lebron? NOTHING!!
There is a difference between Kobe and Lebron. Kobe is just like Jordan —-a freakin winner. He doesn’t quit, he makes it happen. He leaves everything on the floor. And most importantly, he makes his teammates better. Lebron does none of these things. Even though he has all this ridiculous talent around him.
It is insane that you would attempt to throw insults at such a winner like Kobe, especially after the pain you guys have felt for the last two years because you don’t have a Kobe on your team. If you switched Kobe with Lebron, the Cavs would already have 2 rings.
To say Lebron doesn't make his teammates better is ridiculous - and I am a Magic fan.
Kobe sure made his team a lot better when he was losing in the first round from 2005-2007, didn’t he?
I just keep trying to honestly think of a better situation for LeBron than Cleveland…… NY? Not if it is about winning. CHI? Would Derek Rose want to share the spotlight? Kevin Durant was asked on Twitter if he would want LeBron…He said no, that he liked his team and that he was the leader. The second part of that is key – there is only room for one Big Dog in the house.
Also, regarding Chicago, would LBJ really want to play in the shadow of Michael Jordan every night? We know LBJ holds grudges too, ya think he’d get along with Noah? Perhaps…
I’ll say this, and I have felt this way since the Free Agency talk started 3 years ago after LeBron turned down the MAX offer. If it is his dream to play in MSG, or Chicago, then he should do it. A man should follow his dreams. If it is about winning, then he should stay…
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by John Bena (aka CavsBlogger) on May 14, 2010 12:22 AM CDT reply actions
agree totally
and again tonight in his presser, he said that it’s about winning for him
by cavslandrocks on May 14, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Just a comment on one thing:
ya think he’d get along with Noah? Perhaps…
If not, I don’t think the Bulls would hesitate to kick Noah to the curb if LeBron was actually considering Chicago.
Good point, right now his trade value is through the roof, they’d get something good for him.
by CavsLebronFan on May 14, 2010 4:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I also think this gives leverage to take Shaq out of the equation.
I don’t think any team can win rotating Shaq & Z in & out of the lineup. They’re just too slow.
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I don’t see him going to the Knicks, Heat or Nets, i think it’s us or the Bulls. The Knicks are a joke, it will be Lebron, possibly another max player and then a bunch of guys on mle and minimum money, same deal with the Heat. And he’s not going to spend 2 years of his prime playing in a crappy arena in New Jersey.
But the Bulls do scare me, while i think re-signing is still his most likely option, if he leaves i think he leaves for Chicago.
by CavsLebronFan on May 14, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
“I just keep trying to honestly think of a better situation for LeBron than Cleveland”
Well if he wants to win championships until the day he retires he will come to Orlando.
Dwight and LeBron would be the next dynasty.
by gatorboi352 on May 14, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Why does everyone insist that if "it's about winning, LeBron will stay" ???
The Cavs don’t win. And they won’t win unless they get him more players …. which is then true of any other NBA team.
In other words, LBJ has just as much chance of winning with NY as he does with Cleveland. He has just as much chance of winning with Chicago as he does with Cleveland. Hell, he has just as much chance of winning with Sacramento as he does with Cleveland.
There aren’t winning parts around LBJ in Cleveland – why then would he have an issue going to another team with the same resume?
The biggest problem the Cavs have is believing the absurd notion that they’ve “built a winning team” around LeBron. No, they haven’t.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
I’ll say this, and I have felt this way since the Free Agency talk started 3 years ago after LeBron turned down the MAX offer. If it is his dream to play in MSG, or Chicago, then he should do it.
I completely agree with this.
I said last night that I think LeBron leaves 50-50. Today, I’m saying more like 60-40 for him to leave. If LeBron doesn’t want to be in Cleveland, then fine. There are reasons, both good and bad, for him to stay or go. If he wants to go to NY or Chicago, fine. Do it. I won’t hate him for it, since I can see there are legit reasons to leave. If he does leave, I just hope he never wins a championship. As for the Cavs, they’ll have a total rebuild to do. But it’s not like it’s impossible to win without LeBron.
It’ll suck at first not to have him. But life will go on. After every Cleveland heartbreak, it stings for awhile then we move on.
I don’t know what just happened. The Cavs got out-hustled, out-worked, and out-toughed in games 4,5 and 6. They didn’t play with any pride, didn’t show any guts and it was embarrassing. Boston absorbed their best shot in game 3, and then got up and slugged them right in the mouth in game 4. The Cavs took that punch and just lied there on the canvas seeing stars. They had no heart and no moxie, they rolled over like dogs. I don’t know what to think about professionals turning in such an putrid and uninspired performance, I’m disgusted.
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i was reffering to the cavs being ok
everybody was so down i thought id remind you that you have a great team. i saw somebody on here say “we got this” so i thought id cheer you up. sorry if you took it another way
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from what some of have seen from you on Yahoo!, that is pretty hard to believe..You bash and slash much more openly there
by cavslandrocks on May 14, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Sounded pretty sarcastic to me
But if you say that’s what you meant, then that’s what you meant. It just seemed you used Turkmenbashi’s exact words and skewered it for a different purpose.
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yeah, i remember when this was the battle cry: we got this.
i also remember heated debates and arguments about the retooling of the cavaliers. i then discounted the value of jamario moon, anthony parker, and jj hickson (as well as delonte west) stating that it would better cleveland to have gotten raja bell. i then said cleveland needs a lockdown defender and a post presence (which they thought they solved with shaq).
the board was up in arms in defending to death moon, parker, and hickson as well as west.
well. we all saw how that turned out. they were mostly absent during the playoffs. probably parker and varejao were good performers. but mo williams disappeared until the final game—and even at that, showed up for a half.
Who Defended Parker to death here? And Moon and Hickson hardly got any PT. Mo disappeared again, but he wasn’t part of the “retooling.” Shaq was never, never, never considered a “lockdown defender” when he came to Cleveland. The only thing I’ll even remotely agree with you on is West. He didn’t look good this series.
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by Turkmenbashi on May 14, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
This comment is just all sorts of idiocy.
by Buckeye Brad on May 14, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
“And you are about to see why Toronto and New Jersey Hate Vince Carter.”
Highly doubt that, considering he’s just another role player on this team.
+1
Role Player Vince was never in Toronto or New jersey.
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disagree
Vince has always been a role player, never had the shoulders to carry a team.
I’m pulling for a Phoenix/Orlando Finals. Feel as though I will be let down.
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by Leapin Lion on May 15, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
just a curious, non-cavs fan -
what the hell happened to lebron in that series? i am no fan of his, but acknowledge his greatness as a player. but something was weird with him. was it really as simple as an injury that was way more serious than reported? i mean, the celtics played great, maybe are a better post-season team, but here’s what i don’t get: lebron HAS dominated in the playoffs. it’s not like he’s a young guy nervous and intimidated by post-season pressure – he’s done well before.
really, it was odd, and i’m curious what fans who follow closely think was going on.
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by little stevie colter on May 14, 2010 11:23 AM CDT reply actions
Hey guys just wanted to say great series you guys have a good team
good luck trying to keep LeBron!
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by bestbostonsports on May 14, 2010 11:47 AM CDT reply actions
thanks bestbostonsports, best wishes to your team down the road.
by AncientMariner on May 14, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
thank you
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by bestbostonsports on May 14, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
laker fan here
i know you all have probably heard this enough, but LEBRON WILL STAY IN CLEVELAND. Cavs have spent too much time, effort, and money to try and bring him a championship. its take time to integrate players who are new (shaq, jamison, parker, moon). next year the cavs will be even better… as long as lebron stays.
if lebron does leave, the team he ends up with will have to start from scratch. first they have to provide him with a solid supporting cast, find a coach that can put together a championship team, and above all, the team will need time (at least a year) to be championship worthy. and then what? he’s in the same position as he is now with cleveland. everything lebron needs is already here in cleveland.
this may sound crazy, but i think the future is bright for cleveland. just one piece of advice: get rid of shaq.
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Good series
I didn’t feel good about it until the final second last night. I know how it is to be on your end and how it sucks. But you guys here are a classy bunch and better luck next year.
Now, time burn Disney to the ground…..
Now, time burn Disney to the ground…..
Haha, right on
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by Turkmenbashi on May 14, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, next year when we do such polls (thinking positively that there will be playoffs next year) we will have to cut off voting when game one begins…of course, I said Cavs in seven, so don’t listen to me (grin).
by AncientMariner on May 14, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
shaq was drunk
LeBron was stoned the whole first half, he came down during halftime
Mo was the only guy who wanted to win
Everybody else gave up cuz of how Lebron was playin
Complete lack of effort by the team
Mike brown mine as well have taken the night off, hell what does he do anyway?
Anyone catch the semblance of Lebron tearing off his jersey just as he was walking off the court. He didn’t even care they just lost, the team didn’t seem to really care either.
I didn’t really care either. They were a defeated team and played that way all game.
Next Year…
Lebron leaves, We trade or release jamison, release Shaq, Z retires, Mike Brown gets fired Mo might be gone as well but his salary isn’t double figures so he might stay.
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Tough loss to take guys. Not exactly a fan of either team but damn, the way they gave up in the last minute and change was shocking. Sucks that you guys have to hear non-stop ‘Why would Lebron stay in Cleveland when he could leave’ coverage from ESPN 24/7. Reminds me of the summer of ‘04 as a Lakers fan when the boys lost to Detroit. One minor point of contention to the guy who pointed out that Kobe didn’t win a single series from ‘05-’07. He might’ve won one if he got to play the Wizards three years in a row. Just sayin. Anyways, good luck to keeping Lebron and stay away from all media for the next couple of weeks. Become Hockey fans!
Another day, another excuse for Lebron
The author of this blog is the typical Cavs fan. No blame on Lebron, despite the atrocious performance when the series was on the line. Again, the team with the BEST RECORD in the NBA, with Lebron on it, doesn’t win the championship. I’m just wondering, when was the last time Jordan or Kobe were on a team that won 66 games in the regular season and didn’t win a championshp? When was the last time a team with Kobe or Jordan on it had the best record in the NBA and didn’t win a championship? NEVER!
The truth is that the supporting cast for Lebron is perhaps the BEST supporting cast in the entire NBA. It is just THAT good! When a player like Hickson doesn’t even get off the bench, you know that the team is simply stacked with talent. Tell me, where would major players on the Lakers get time on this team? Fisher, Brown, Farmar, Powell, etc. These players get MAJOR time on the Lakers team, and they wouldn’t even sniff the court on the Cavs. A player like West would be the starting piont guard on the Lakers. The Cavs have so much talent, with the likes of all-star Mo Williams, all-star Shaq, all star Jamison, all star Big Z, etc etc etc. The only all-star on the Lakers is…Pau! Ridiculous that anyone would claim the talent is not there for the Cavs.
But, we all knew it was coming. Last year everyone was falling all over themselves saying how great the Cavs were as they won 66 games and had the best team defense in the league. Once they lost, the excuses came piling in. It couldn’t be Lebron’s fault, right? It is not that his 1 vs 5 offense just doesn’t work in the playoffs? Of course not, it can’t be the Kings fault, and so the peasants needed to sacrafice themselves, and threw themselves on the sword for the king. And this year? The pre-emptive excuse was the elbow. After all his 360-dunks pre-game, and his showing absolutely no ailments during the game, this excuse no longer would hold water. And so the Lebron religioun went to an oldy but goody, that his supporting cast just isn’t good enough.
I think even if Lebron gets the dream team as teammates, his teammates just won’t be good enough…simply laughable!
Quit being a jerk
Trying to project Lebron’s cast as better to somehow justify Lebron being a bad player. Pathetic. It is one thing to criticize Lebron’s performance, but to act like facts are made up excuses is laughable, as they are facts. Orlando won last year because of mismatches on offense and a defense that swarmed Lebron, while Mo faded yet again.
This year anyone can tell Lebron wasn’t playing normal, whatever the reason. Like the Bulls are really on par with the Cavs team? Why not just accept him for what he is, a great player? Laughable? Was it funny when the Magic lost to the Lakers? Quit being a poor sport and learn to respect the game.
Please, don’t rail against this man, who only wishes to share his knowledge with we, the lesser, puny mortals who post here. Its clear that plyka is a genius ahead of his time, who seeks only to give of his valuable time to make us realize the truth of the matter.
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I may sprain my sarcasm-gland if I keep this up :D
by darkcorvus70 on May 15, 2010 2:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Noone is suggesting Lebron played perfectly, noone is suggesting he deserves no share of the blame. But to suggest he has the best supporting cast in the NBA is ridiculous. He does not have the supporting cast that Dwight or Kobe have. It’s his fault Mo dissappears more often than he shows up? It’s his fault Jamison was 2-10? It’s his fault Shaq is years past his prime? It’s his fault Varejao played a lot worse in the playoffs than in the regular season?
This is the best supporting cast he’s ever had and it is still nowhere near LA, Orlando and Boston, that tells you all you need to know.
by CavsLebronFan on May 14, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
What original, astute insights. I am so very glad that you took time from what must be an important and time-consuming professional position to impart upon us these gleaming pearls of wisdom. Perhaps you are a brain-surgeon, a nuclear physicist, the prime-minister of a nation, or perhaps even a rocket-scientist. There’s no way that you’re some regular “Joe Blow” with too much free time on your hands, not with your canny, logical insights.
Truly, you are a visionary, a man ahead of his time that will lead us all into a new age of remarkably well-thought and enlightening forum posts. Sir, my hat is off.
by darkcorvus70 on May 15, 2010 2:42 AM CDT up reply actions
The pressure of the playoffs.
I really believe the pressure was the cause of the failure. James showed some and it dropped down to the supporting cast. The coach for sure felt it and failed to make adjustments that might have worked. I just didn’t see the coach react in a good way at the end of games. He has to lead and get the team to calm down and do the things the way it needs done. I think he is a pretty good coach but just didn’t have the playoff experience needed. I also think that the supporting cast was fine but also didn’t have the experience overall that was needed. They tended to freeze up when they were really needed. A lot is just that time and experience are needed in both the coach and supporting cast. It takes more than just a couple years in most cases. I hope your team stays together because they have gotten a bunch of experience this year. The more you keep a team together the better they get and the better chance of getting over the hill. I also should say that I’m a Laker fan but would have no problem in having your team succeed unless it’s agains the Lakers. :)
Laker fan here
But I hope Lebron stays in Cleveland, his home town.
P.S. Cavs fans, your team let me down. I was rooting for them to beat Boston.
Don’t worry man, they let us down too.
Good luck to ya!
by darkcorvus70 on May 15, 2010 2:44 AM CDT up reply actions
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