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Could the Celtics be helping the Cavaliers keep LeBron James?

Maybe the world isn't coming to an end after all?  After the Boston Celtics beat the Cavaliers in Game 6 last Friday, it seemed the writing was on the wall.  The Cavaliers collapsed.  LeBron quit and would be on the first bus out of town.  Mike Brown would be fired and a whole new coaching staff would need to be hired.  Dan Gilbert would sell the team and line up to by his hometown Detroit Pistons.  

It almost seemed as if the Cavaliers should fold their tent now and go home, saving everyone the trouble.

Then something happened.  Something no one expected - well I did - but most did not.  The Boston Celtics started dominating the Orlando Magic in the Eastern Conference Finals.

It's not over, not by a long shot.  Could the Celtics performance so far have an impact on LeBron James and his view of Cleveland?  It's hard to tell, we really don't know what the reasons behind his performance in Games 4, 5 and 6.  Suddenly it doesn't look like a Cavaliers collapse now does it?

Star-divide

No, the Boston Celtics look like the team that won the NBA Championship in 2008.  In fact, they look better.  In 2008 Rajon Rondo wasn't the scoring, rebounding, assist-dishing machine he is now.  It has added a 4th dimension to the Celtics they didn't have.

Rondo is also the leader of the Celtics - at least on the floor.  He drives the Celtics bandwagon after a season long battle with the aging stars.  It came to a head a few months ago when Rondo came out, during a period of Celtics' struggles, and talked of issues in the locker room - personal agendas he would say at the time.  Many thought he and Kevin Garnett were battling for team leadership rights.

During this time, the Celtics lost a home game, it might have been to the Wizards, and Garnett and Rondo were at the interview table afterwards.  Someone asked Rondo about his comments.  Before he could answer, Garnett interrupted, "We handle our business behind closed doors - not in front of y'all".  I'm paraphrasing, but it was something to that affect.  The two got up and left.  From that point on the Celtics locker room was once again unified.

Sure, I sidetracked a bit, but I think it is important to look at a little history when discussing the present.  As for the Celtics beating the Magic - in Orlando - twice to take a 2-0 lead, should we really be that surprised?  I thought Orlando had a better team in 2009 than they do now.   That team needed 7 games to take out Boston, a Celtic team playing without KG, playing with a hobbled Paul Pierce and Ray Allen.  This Celtics team is healthy, and very, very hungry to cement its' legacy.

Where does LeBron James fit in to all of this?  Somewhere, LeBron is watching the playoffs, contemplating his next move.  I'm sure he was bitterly disappointed, as we all were, and doubts about the Cavaliers ability to win crept into his mind.  If he watched Boston's dispatching of Orlando, however, those doubts should be eased.  It's not that the Cavaliers are so very flawed that they can't get past an aging shell of a champion.  Not at all.

Like the late-80's Bulls, and Pistons before them, the Cavaliers simply need to keep taking steps.  Boston is the real deal.  Their five consecutive playoff wins, three on the road, has proven that.  The Cavs lost to a better team, and a team playing better.

LeBron should take a hard look at the Cavaliers, now that Boston's proof is in the proverbial pudding, and consider a change of venue would not be in his best basketball interests.  The Cavaliers have many of the pieces in place, all they need is a little more tinkering and some luck.  Should James return, a healthy LeBron James, the Cavaliers would once again be a contender to win it all.  Isn't that the point?

Perhaps some day in the next 6-8 weeks, we'll be looking back at what Boston is doing to Orlando right now and thank them - as hard as it might be.  

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there is only one explanation for this

david stern wants his celtics lakers matchup again.

by rocksforjocks on May 19, 2010 12:27 PM CDT reply actions  

You know I was just reading - seeing how you guys were doing..

keeping my mouth shut and then I read this drivel….

Did David Stern really keep the Cavs from beating the Celtics?

That s just the biggest pile of horse manure in the building.

Sure he is getting the 2nd best finals he could have asked for after Kobe/LeBron….

but to say he had a hand in your loss is rediculous…

I watched every one of the games – you were beaten by a HOT team….. and couldn’t adjust your game to match….unless LeBron was paid under the table.

Now Orlando is getting beat – You know I hope he is pulling the strings, because then he would havee Kobe’s Lakers get revenge on the Celt’s – but I know that they will have to do it on their own…. Jeez what a maroon

by Ivabign on May 20, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see what tinkering can be done.

This team was modeled to beat Orlando and the whole time we ignored Boston. Shame on us. But as good as Ferry is, I don’t see what trades or personnel he can bring in to make us into a Boston beating machine. If he can get rid of Mo for a younger, quicker, more defensively aware PG and get something good for AJ (center?), then I vote that Ferry’s face goes on the “we are witnesses” posters.

by allovertheplace on May 19, 2010 12:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Ferry is just as much of the problem as Brown!

Danny Ferry’s signing of Anthony Parker as a starter was a JOKE! Either he for signing him or Brown for starting him is at fault. Same with Mo! Everybody knew his D was suspect, not to mention non-existent! He, like Boobie, is a SG in a point guard’s body! Averaging the minutes over 48, Delonte has better assist numbers and is obviously a better passer. I can’t fault DF for the jamison signing. He played great for all, but 3 games (his first and his last two). As long as he doesn’t have to cover KG, we’re ok! Mike Brown misplayed Shaq and woulda, coulda, shoulda had Ferry signed him at the all-star break last year like he “shoulda” (for the SAME price we actually paid). Ferry was a bum when he played for us and still is a BELOW average GM (HE STILL CANT GET THE RIGHT PIECES!)

by Erick R on May 23, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

i just don't see Lebron staying

so what is Ferry going to do with the team next year? Who do we go after or trade for to stay in the upper/middle of the pack in the Eastern Conference? Can we remain a contender with some sign and trades or do we fall to the bottom?

by OhioVilleAlum on May 19, 2010 2:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Being old isn't bad

Ladies and gentlemen worried about the Cavs age…um, are you getting the moral of the story at all? You can win when you’re old. See Boston.

You want real problems? Try having Rashard Lewis, a PF who average 14 points and 4.4 rebound this past year, on your books for over 60 million dollars in the next three years. Talk about an underperforming guy who is eating cap space. We are in a better situation than most people think. Orlando is a worse situation than most people think. They’ve loaded down their cap space with guys like Gortat and Bass while giving max type money to people like Rashard Lewis. Who in the world is taking that Lewis contract on? No one. So who do they move? VC is getting 17 million next year. Imo, they are in more trouble this coming year than we are. At least we have hung on to our best young prospect in Hickson. Orlando gave Lee away.

On how to beat Boston….WE HAV E THE TEAM. We did not have the coach who could put the guys in the right places. I have to vehemently disagree with the position that FTS is taking on keeping MB. If he plays the more athletic line-up the entire series, we are playing Orlando right now. The team is there guys. The coaching is not. I can’t, for the life of me, understand why people seriously want to give MB another post season to yet again show us he has no clue how to make in-game adjustments and continues to use an offensive system that has no movement to speak of. Yeah, sorry, he needs to go.

by FYATroll on May 19, 2010 3:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I am not necessarily advocating keeping Coach Brown. I am, however, saying that losing the series to Boston, with a wounded LeBron, might not be the litmus test to make the decision. It is worth remembering that when LeBron had three days of rest between Games Two and Three, he went off and the Cavaliers won easily. After Game Three, there was never again more than a day between games, LeBron’s production declined seriously, and the team, which is, after all, powered by LeBron, had a hard time adjusting. Of course Coach might have been able to work around that, and perhaps the fact that he didn’t will be the straw that broke the camel’s back. But after 86 games wherein LeBron seemed healthy, the Cavs clicked to a 65-22 record…the fact that they finished 2-4 with him obviously not the real LeBron gives me pause before allowing emotions to send the Coach packing.

by AncientMariner on May 19, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

It isn't emotions AM...

I was a Brown supporter before this year but he had no answers or in game adjustments. We needed to get Hickson and our small line-up in there to run Boston off the court. It worked in the regular season. Lebron’s legs were not hurt. The team was versital enough that it should have at least been tested. Brown did nothing to try and make adjustments weather in-game or game to game. He was schooled by Doc even though he had a better team, IMO. Yes, Boston got healthy but we should have taken that seris.

We had no offense except stand around and see what LeBron can do. I bet LeBron is sick of it too. Brown needs to go…..that is painfully clear…..emotions aside.

I'm Polish...what's your excuse?

by Juannieboy on May 21, 2010 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh god

more excuses on the phantom elbow injury, lol. geezus.

by plyka on May 21, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I absolutely agree with this (and i'm a lakers fan)

I am so sick and tired of people claiming that Lebron doesn’t have the supporting cast. HE DOES! As i’ve said for 2 years now. And this year the supporting cast just got better. I think the Cavs are the most talented and deep team in the NBA.

And Orlando does have ridiculous problems. To pay Gortat $35m and to pay Bass like $20m? One is a backup and the other doesn’t even play. Not to mention that they signed VC who is a choke machine and gets paid a ridiculous amount. And don’t get me started on the softie max player Rasheed Lewis. The Orlando team is in deep shit in the coming years. The Lakers are also deep in the luxury tax, but luckily they paid money to players who are actually worth it, not to mention that the Lakers can afford it as they are still the most profitable team in the NBA.

As for the Cavs, everything is in place for a championship. The team just needs to do it. And the major problem that must must must be fixed is the coach. He is simply not a good coach. In fact, i think he is more of a Lebron yes man than a coach. What you guys need is a respected coach like Phil Jackson. Phil makes sure Kobe knows his place. That’s part of the team and not the team itself. Lebron has yet to learn this and this is causing all the problems. You can’t go 1 vs 5 for an entire series like last year’s Orlando series and expect to win. That type of basketball is not winning basketball. And this year, when Lebron gave the effort, again, it was either him attempting to take on the other team by himself, or him pouting in the corner and refusing to get involved. This is completely and utterly a coaching disaster. What is needed is someone to get Lebron to buy into the TEAM approach. That lebron is part of the TEAM and not the team itself. Remember, Lebron is only 25 years old, and with all his success, he probably has one hell of a swelled head. He needs a coach like Phil Jackson to get him back down to earth and show him how to win.

The supporting cast is there. What is missing is good coaching and Lebron changing his style of play (which will come with good coaching).

by plyka on May 21, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I totally agree!

LeBron needs Phil Jackson as a coach.

They should both come to Chicago and take Bosh with them!

:D

by BAB-Bass on May 22, 2010 5:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dude you're CLOSE!

I like what you’re saying. We would have been more competitive had Mike Brown started the best all-around players on the team! Delonte West at point guard, LeBron at SG (he stays around the 3 point line anyways instead of where he s/b playing), jamison at SF, Hickson (or Andy) at PF, and Shaq at center. I kinda like Andy at PF because he stays under the basket. Jamison could have handled Pierce decently and Andy plays garnett the best on our team. Either way, Boston has us at three positions and we’re tied at the center position.

by Erick R on May 23, 2010 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Where does LeBron James fit in to all of this? Somewhere, LeBron is watching the playoffs, contemplating his next move. I’m sure he was bitterly disappointed, as we all were, and doubts about the Cavaliers ability to win crept into his mind. If he watched Boston’s dispatching of Orlando, however, those doubts should be eased. It’s not that the Cavaliers are so very flawed that they can’t get past an aging shell of a champion. Not at all.

LeBron should take a hard look at the Cavaliers, now that Boston’s proof is in the proverbial pudding, and consider a change of venue would not be in his best basketball interests. The Cavaliers have many of the pieces in place, all they need is a little more tinkering and some luck. Should James return, a healthy LeBron James, the Cavaliers would once again be a contender to win it all. Isn’t that the point?

I never thought about it like that, but you have a good point.

by emily522 on May 19, 2010 5:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree. Good, thoughtful point. I doubt, though, that this is one of LeBron’s serious considerations. I actually think a lot of this will come down to recruiting, who catches LeBron’s ear, who has the loudest voice, etc… You think about talented high school football prospects – not all of them choose Alabama and USC.

Anyway, I wrote about some of the scenarios (probably unrealistic) that people haven’t been talking about. What if, for instance, he signs for less than max or simply re-ups for a final year in Cleveland before the lockout? Any chance?

http://wp.me/pLvMp-xq

by Robbie Hilson on May 19, 2010 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I suppose anything is possible...

But seeing as the next CBA most likely will limit the cap thereby reducing salaries I find it more likely that free agents will want to sign longer contracts.

And hopefully LeBron will sign with the Bulls anyway… ;)

by BAB-Bass on May 21, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

It will make me feel a little better about losing to Boston if they make it to the finals, and even more so if they win it all. I think we would have beaten Orlando if we got to them but that’s this season, does Lebron feel confident we can beat them in the 2011 ECF? Varejao is the closest thing to a Center we have on the books for next season. If Shaq re-signs will a 39 year old Shaq have enough left to contain Dwight? If not, will we be able to sign anyone who could do the job?

The key to beating Orlando is being able to contain Dwight 1 on 1, we couldn’t do it last season, the Celtics are able to do it this season. Will we be able to do it next season? If we don’t get Shaq back, or if we do and he has nothing left, or if we can’t get another guy to stop Dwight, then how do we beat them?

by CavsLebronFan on May 19, 2010 11:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Doesn't really matter

LeBron being hurt should have no impact on Browns ability to actually have an offensive system. The problem is, his offensive system is give the ball to LeBron and let him create, and when he is hurt it doesn’t work. Idc if LeBron was super healthy, that type of offense will NEVER win a title…ever. They couldn’t beat Orlando last year doing it. They couldn’t beat Boston the year before and San Antonio a year beofre that. Why continue to give this man a chance to just run a narrowly conceived offense that has no rhythym?

Lets look at Milwaukee. They lost their best player. They can’t shoot the ball. They were totally out-manned against Atlanta. You know what though, they remained competitive because they had good, really good, off the ball movement in their offense. They could still compete even w/o Bogut. Cavs? No. LeBron goes down and the entire offense that Mike Brown has “designed” goes with it.

by FYATroll on May 19, 2010 11:28 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Who's been saying it was a "Cavaliers collapse"??

The Celtics are a better team than Cleveland, period. Not sure how Orlando losing is supposed to make LeBron “feel better” about the Cavs effort against Boston.
Are you suggesting he’s more likely to stay if he realizes the Celtics are kinda good, after all? I just don’t get the logic …
One of two things happened – A. The Cavs were a better team than Boston, but choked. B. The Cavs lost to a better team. Either way, LeBron isn’t happy — either his “championship caliber” team choked against an inferior opponent, or he doesn’t have a “championship caliber” team around him after all.

I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.

by Vacafan on May 20, 2010 12:15 AM CDT reply actions  

A. The Cavs were a better than Boston, but choked.

Yep.

 B. The Cavs lost to a better team.

Yep.

by johnnyphoenix on May 20, 2010 3:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

well, collapsing to a team that was inferior and flukey suggests serious irreparable damage in the cavs organization, and lebron cant fix it, and the team needs to be blown up.
But losing to a team that really happened to be the best team in the league at the right time, well that leaves a glimmer of hope that the cavs were still in the right direction. If that were the problem, lebron staying and time could heal all wounds while other lesser changes and signings are made. Will it influence lebrons decision? who knows. But it could be one silver lining in all of this.

by spinz on May 20, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

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