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Eastern Semi's Game 4 - Boston 97-Cavaliers 87 - A Mother of a Game

It seems to be true almost all of the time that when a team spends an extended amount of time and energy coming back from a big deficit, once the comeback is complete, the team that lost the lead regroups immediately and ultimately wins the game.  The Cavaliers proved that a few weeks ago in the last regular season game played in Boston between Cleveland and the Celtics, where the Cavs came back from +20 down and took the lead, only to lose.

They proved it again today, and they almost proved it twice.

In a game that gave a new meaning to the term 'maddening', Boston evened the series at 2-2, with a foul-plagued 97-87 victory.  Thus this series becomes a best-of-three, and if the Cavaliers do not find a way to slow Rajon Rondo down...fast...a trip to the Eastern Conference Finals for Cleveland is seriously in doubt.

And it wouldn't hurt to have more than one good game in a row offensively.  The effort today was...yes, maddening.

Here is a number for you:  79.  As in free throw attempts.  NFL games frequently finish more quickly than this nearly-three-hour affair. 

And here is another number:  17.  As in Cavaliers turnovers, many of them on cross-court passes to unsuspecting recipients.

But the numbers which mattered most were these three:  29, 18, and 13.  As in Rajon Rondo points, rebounds, and assists.  Eighteen rebounds...for a guard.

Alrighty then.

Star-divide

Cleveland came out and for a while it looked very much like a repeat of Friday night's game, right down to the badly missed opening shot from Shaq.  Undeterred, the Cavs jumped up 7-0 and Doc Rivers was forced to call a timeout less than three minutes into the game.  That woke the Celtics up, but even so, an Anthony Parker three and Cleveland led 12-5.  From there, Boston ran off nine straight points to take their first lead since Monday night, and after a brief tie, Rondo's hoop game Boston an 18-16 advantage.  The Celtics never trailed again until late in the third quarter.

By the time quarter one ended the Cavs were down by nine at 31-22, and only four Cavaliers had scored, led by LeBron James, with eight.  Parker and Shaq had five, including three free throws from O'Neal, who is quietly doing pretty well from the line in these playoffs, although later in the game he did miss two in one trip to the line.

For the Celtics, Rondo already had 11 points, five rebounds and 3 assists, and unlike Game Three, Boston was getting penetration at will, either driving and being fouled or dishing outside and hitting overall at a 55% clip.

The second quarter became a case of creep-close, slip-further-behind.  In fact, with LeBron on the bench at the start of the quarter, Cleveland cut the lead to 34-31, only to see Boston extend the lead to ten at 44-34, and status quo for the rest of the half had Cleveland staring at a 54-45 halftime deficit.

At the break, Boston owned a healthy 24-16 lead in rebounds, and had blocked six shots, to Cleveland's one.  Zero points from Cleveland's bench, and with Rondo not far from a triple-double, and it was fortunate that the game was still in reach.

The referees, perhaps expressing their displeasure at having to work on Mother's Day, had already whistled 46 free throws.

In the third quarter a Kevin Garnett basket pushed Boston's lead to 58-47, and then Cleveland began chipping away.  A 15-6 run, capped by a James hoop, and the Cavaliers were within two.  Boston pushed the lead to four, but the Cavs were not finished.  An Anderson Varejao basket tied the game at 67, and after the Celtics regained the lead, Delonte West was fouled on a three, made them all (for his only points of the game), and Cleveland had come all the way back, and led, 70-69.

Boston, not surprisingly, regrouped and ended the quarter with a 5-2 run to regain the lead by two going into the home stretch.

Sloppy passing and ball-handling through three quarters had the Cavs sitting on thirteen turnovers, and three quick turnovers to begin the fourth quarter, and going 4:45 before they scored on a Mo Williams shot following a 12-0 Boston run, and Cleveland looked dead in the water, all their energy spent from the long comeback. 

Except the Cavs were not quite dead.  They had one more run left in them, and almost made it all the way back from a double-digit deficit again.  A Rondo basket made it 86-74, and suddenly Cleveland ran off ten straight, and again was within two. 

Then came the sequence which decided the game.

Garnett gathered an offensive rebound which led to a Tony Allen score.  After a Varejao free throw, another offensive board for the Celtics and a Paul Pierce score, and the lead was five.  Then Ray Allen stole the ball from Mo Williams, and a Rondo hoop, and it was all but over, at 92-85.

A handful of free throws for Boston after desperation misses from the Cavs, and it was lights out in Boston...until Thursday night, when Game Six will be played in this off-the-hook series.

Before then, Game Five will be played in Cleveland on Tuesday night.  If Rondo is not somehow slowed, the Cavaliers had better be ready to neutralize most of the rest of the Celtics.  And 40% shooting, including 4 of 21 on threes, isn't going to get it...not if we want to get our shot at Orlando.

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LeBron was definitely not in attack mode today, and that is extremely frustrating. Also, their spacing on offense was terrible, and even worse, they complained to the refs way too much and got burnt by not getting back on defense. For some reason, Parker was playing up on Rondo out near the 3 point line, and he just cannot do that; let Rondo shoot from the outside. Mo was doing way too much dribbling today, just give the damn ball to LeBron at the top of the key, put Parker in one corner, Mo in the other, and let LeBron run a pick and roll with Shaq or Jamison….this isn’t rocket science, it’s actually very simple…too bad Mike Brown can’t figure it out…

by BirthTimes on May 9, 2010 6:51 PM CDT reply actions  

It really bothered me today to see the constant drive-and-dish to open three-point shooters and then the ball clanking off the rim. If it’s broken, fix it on the fly, and if fixing it means driving every single possession rather than settling for less than 20% shooting on threes, then fix it. Of course it isn’t that simple, but if the refs are calling fouls, take the ball to the hoop over and over and over again, and if you get fouled and it isn’t called, get back on D instead of worrying about the no-call.

by AncientMariner on May 9, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

these guys are done. not wasting my time with this. if they won’t put up consistent effort to play then i’m not gonna put in consistent effort to support them. if lebron wants out, let him leave already and get it freakin over with. stop putting us through this crap and lethargic play. we aren’t gonna win with him anyway. won’t be any different when he leaves.

by VABrownsFan on May 9, 2010 6:56 PM CDT reply actions  

What a terrible attitude

"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay

by Turkmenbashi on May 10, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Give him a minute

We all have our days. It is frustrating to watch the Cavs play sometimes, I think it is worth noting that the team is getting itself right still after Shaq was out a long time. There are so many pieces that it takes a while to gel them together.

by Eric9321 on May 11, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

This game was closer than it looked at the end. The Cavs missed a few key open shots, they stood flat-footed while the Celtics, mostly Rondo, got offensive rebounds, they did not exploit the Celtics main weakness: age.

Is it Mike Brown? Is Williams a stiff when it counts?

Have to shoot better than 40%, have to do better than 4-21 on 3s.

by JamesPowell on May 9, 2010 7:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Hard to watch this "slugfest"

JJ Hickson hurt us alot with his bad D and an ill-advised drive to the basket on Garnett. LeBron passed to Andy for a crunch time jumper? Delonte had a stupid foul on Rondo, etc. etc.

They were just not in sync when it counted and played into the only type of game the Celtics could have won.

Some peeps here were clamouring for a tough series…looks like we got it.

I'm Polish...what's your excuse?

by Juannieboy on May 9, 2010 8:08 PM CDT reply actions  

I thought this series would go seven, but that was more because of Boston’s history…I didn’t see them going down meekly, and thought that pride alone would get them a couple of wins. But the Cavaliers playing this on again, off again style…it would not work against Orlando, and if we don’t snap out of it, it won’t work against the Celtics either.

by AncientMariner on May 9, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Am i the only person that regrets us not pulling the trigger on the JJ-Amare deal. The suns have one foot in the WCF, while we’re struggling with a team that’s supposed to be a long way past it’s best.

Arguments against Amare included his D, well his D is looking pretty good now. I was never convinced he was a bad defender, he was never in a system that thought seriously about Defense. D’antoni even refused to spend any time on D in practice. Now that Amare is deep in the playoffs, with a team that actually thinks about D, he’s proven he can play on that end of the floor. Meanwhile JJ has been ordinary for most of the playoffs on both ends.

JJ is an energy guy, except he doesn’t do energy as well as Varejao. He’s got athleticism, except with less athleticism than Amare

The other argument was Amare was no certainty to stay here beyond this season, well to be honest i don’t care about that. I’d rather a much better shot at this season than thinking what if’s for next season. And i very much doubt Amare would leave for anywhere if he won a ring here and had a chance to repeat.

We’ll still probably win this series, and we’re still a chance to go all the way, but we would have been certainties to go all the way if we traded a role player for one of the best big’s in this league.

by CavsLebronFan on May 9, 2010 8:30 PM CDT reply actions  

I dunno about regrets

But as dangerous as the Cavs are, I for one am glad they didn’t pull the trigger as it would have been so damn unfair to the rest of the league! ;)

That being said, not like it isn’t hard enough with just the Jamison addition. Amare is just a different breed, unstoppable at times.

by Eric9321 on May 9, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can you imagine an offense based on a pick and roll between Lebron and Amare, that would have been unstoppable.

by CavsLebronFan on May 9, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hell no

it is too scary to think about. That would be a terrible thing for Phx to do to everyone, that’d be like Memphis trading Gasol to the Lakers for nothing…oh wait, crap.

by Eric9321 on May 11, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mike Brown needs to take one for the team, and Shaq

To read my full post, go to www.no2statquo.typepad.com
Cleveland is all great and all but, unless Shaq is allowed to play, they’re not winning anything this year. I would never want to have M. Brown as a coach, he’s too politically correct for me.
Every time Shaq starts to get on a roll, the refs take him out the game. Yet he gets fouled on every time. I would venture to say on 50% of his misses, he’s been fouled, but nothing’s called. Mike Brown has not once questioned the refereeing of Shaq. He has let the only player that assures them of getting past Orlando and possibly L.A. too, to be treated as a “nothing player”. Phil Jackson, Greg Popovich, Pat Riley (when he coached), and Stan VanGundy all stand up for their players. All I ever hear Mike Brown do is compliment LBJ and talk of how great he is. Okay we all know that already. That’s not in question but, LBJ will not win without the full services of Shaq, and right now the refs/league has decided that they are not going to let Shaq “show”. Mike Brown needs to see to it that he gets the league/refs off of Shaq’s back and let’s him play. How are the refs/league expected to respect “the Big Dog” if the coach doesn’t respect him enough to take one for him.
You should now read my post…
Go Cleveland – Go Shaq! Give Shaq the damn ball (15-20 shots) = Championship

by no2statquo on May 9, 2010 8:59 PM CDT reply actions  

I AGREE

IM JUST GONNA SAY THIS…IF DOUG COLLINS WAS COACHING OR ANY OTHER COACH FOR THAT MATTER….THE CELTICS MIGHT HAVE ONLY WON 1 GAME AND THIS SERIES WOULD BE OVER IN 5 GAMES. BROWN HAS THE PERSONAL TO MIX UP THE LINE UP, RONDO IS A VERY GOOD PG,, BUT IF LEBRON JAMES CAN BE SLOWED DOWN SO THE HELL CAN RONDO….RONDO MAKES THE CELTICS GO..PERIOD…PUT BIGGER PLAYERS ON HIM AND FORCE HIM INTO JUMPSHOTS….GO UNDER SCREENS…STOP CHASEING…PLAY SHAQ 30 TO 35 MINUTES IF POSSIBLE….IF THEY GET PAST BOSTON WITH THIS NOVICE COACHING JOB, THERE IS NO WAY HE CAN LEAVE SHAQ ON THE BENCH FOR WHOLE QUARTERS AGAINST ORLANDO…LET MOE IN OFF THE BENCH…START WEST OR PUT BRON AT THE POINT…IF AND WHEN THE CAVS WIN IT WONT BE BECAUSE OF BROWN. IT WILL BE BECAUSE THE PLAYERS FIGURED THIS OUT ON THERE OWN….PUTTING BRON ON RONDO ISNT SIMPLY THE ANSWER BECAUSE IT BRON DEFENSE THAT HAS PEIRCE AVG 5 PTS….NOBODY ELSE IS GONNA DO THAT…COACH BROWN FIGURE SOMETHING OUT…I SHOULDNT HAVE TO…..

by Amon Greene on May 9, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tweek is that you?

AAAAH!

"Just to remind you, Orlando made it to the finals last year without this guy. Crazy."~John Krolik

by BS Patrol on May 10, 2010 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Refs have no idea how to referee big strong centers anymore..

If a big strong center barely touches anyone else, its a foul on them.. offensively or defensively.

by i2ambler on May 10, 2010 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

You’re asking Mike Brown to be someone he’s not. The team has been playing with the motto of “No Excuses” and that started with LeBron and includes the refs. Mike Brown is not going to say anything about the referees and neither is anyone else on this team. He’s not going to work the refs through the media like Doc, Phil or Pat. He’s just not.

"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags

by woodsmeister on May 10, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Have you been watching Shaq? The guy is settling for jump hooks and missing them time after time. He’s not the answer.

by Chemo on May 10, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

haha

i wouldnt say the acquisition of shaq “assures” the cavs anything except a slow pace. the guy is pretty washed up and honestly, the cavs play better when he’s on the bench and they can run a little bit. i’d say you’re being a little obtuse if you think any series win is “assured”.

by Snyde on May 10, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

They will not beat D. Howard without Shaq. Isn’t that why they picked him up. Other than Lebron, Shaq and Jamison, the others have stagefright. And unfortunately, the stage is only going to get bigger and brighter.

by no2statquo on May 10, 2010 11:58 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

How is it that Rondo is able to get into the lane at will?

I mean I know he hit a few jumpers, and that is fine, but why all the layups? How is he able to penetrate the defense so easily? With how badly Pierce is shooting, I would say using his man to help form a wall to eliminate the drive would help, and maybe it would make no2statquo happier to remove some of those fouls Shaq has to pick up coming over late to try to get the block.

by Eric9321 on May 9, 2010 9:57 PM CDT reply actions  

No, definitely SHAQ

Rondo can’t shoot a jumper, just tell shaq to stand 10 feet away and make Rondo run around him (world record is 32:14 seconds)

by XblackychanX on May 10, 2010 4:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

CAVZ BEING OUT COACHED

IM NOT USUALLY ONE WHO LIKES TO BLAME COACHES, BECAUSE THEY DONT PLAY, BUT WHEN ADJUSTMENTS NEED TO BE MADE, WELL THEN ONLY THE COACH CAN DO SO, AND FOR THE SECOND YEAR IN A ROW, MIKE BROWN HASENT DONE A THING..IN MY PERSONAL OPINION HE NEEDS TO MIX UP THE LINE UP,,MOE OBVIOUSLY CANT GUARD RONDO..EVERY TIME RONDO HAS A BIG GAME THE CELTS WIN,,,START SHAQ, ANDY,JAMISON,PARKER AND JAMES..LET MOE COME OFF THE BENCH FOR THIS SERIES IF NEED BE…ITS ABOUT WINNING RIGHT? HE CAN STILL GET HIS POINTS OFF THE BENCH…PUT PRIDE ASIDE….FOR A GAME OR 2 .KEEP FEEDING SHAQ,,HE PUTS PRESSURE ON THE FRONTLINE OF BOSTON TO FOUL….AND HE SHOULD HAVE PLAYED THE 4TH QUARTER TODAY AS HE WAS THE SECOND LEADING SCORER…Y BROWN DIDNT LET HIM FOUL OUT IF HE WASENT GONNA PLAY HIM IS BEYOND ME? BROWN NEEDS TO BE MORE CRITICAL OF HIS GUYS AND STOP PRAISING THEM WIN OR LOSE..LEBRON IS PRETTY MUCH THE COACH….LEBRON NEEDS TO BE COACHED….NEEDS A HIGH PROFILE COACH WHO CAN GET MORE OUT OF HIM AND THE TEAM…

by Amon Greene on May 9, 2010 11:13 PM CDT reply actions  

that is aton of all caps

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by Czheck on May 9, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you’re just going to write a stream of random phrases in all-caps then nobody is going to bother reading what you wrote.

by Buckeye Brad on May 10, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Cavs were playing like they had a 20 point lead..

I just didn’t see the energy..

we don't light the stars, we simply fade with them..

by silenthero07 on May 10, 2010 2:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Why is the sky falling after every loss? After game three I heard these same fans thumping their chests, saying we had our swagger back. Now it’s gone – potentially forever – because we lost a close game on the road in the playoffs?

Cleveland.com is truly infecting the world. It’s like a plague. I don’t mind incisive analysis, and AM provides some very, very good analysis, but I’m sick of the woe-is-me crowd. Go watch Desperate Housewives, girls. Playoff basketball is tough. Some games are letdowns. The goal is to win the series.

by tabler84 on May 10, 2010 5:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Is it tough for ORL, LA, PHO… only CLE and it was supposed to be humm well not easy but a shoe-in. CLE GOT SHAQ FOR A REASON AND JAMISON BUT THE REF AINT LETTING SHAQ PLAY. THEY’RE LETTING HOWARD PLAY IN ORL AND LOOK HOW GOOD THEY LOOK. Bottom line is NO SHAQ NO CHAMPIONSHIP. MO AND THE REFS ARE KILLING US. Do u think ORL WILL BE WELL RESTED? We may be dog beatup and tired.
I’ll be back later to really put on blass

by no2statquo on May 10, 2010 7:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

We got your point the first time you made it.

"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags

by woodsmeister on May 10, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Enough with the capital letters.

by Buckeye Brad on May 10, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it would be one thing if we were just losing, but the Cavs have been lackadaisical and listless in the two losses (and half of one of the wins). It’s incredibly frustrating to watch. So I don’t think the sky is falling, but I expect better out of this team.

by Chemo on May 10, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously. We went into Boston wanting at least one game, and we got it. And we took the first game, so we weren’t sitting on pins and needles for game 4. And we did it in a dominating fashion, on the road, proving what this team is capable. Has anybody thought for a minute that maybe we’re just pacing ourselves?

"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay

by Turkmenbashi on May 10, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yup. Boston is a tough team — they took Orlando to 7 games last year without Garnett. This was not going to be an easy series. Boston was playing for its life last night — there was no way they were going to win going back to Cleveland down 3-1 — and it showed. We’re still the better team and we’ve got 2 home games left.

by Buckeye Brad on May 10, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup. Wish more people would remember Boston took Orlando to 7 last year. That team just steps it up for the playoffs, no matter what.

"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay

by Turkmenbashi on May 10, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well it ain’t been tough for anyone else thus far… And.Cle has the best record throughout. Is it only supposed to be tough for “the best”. Oh okay… Mark my words all of the above – like those comments from A Greene, and GIVE SHAQ THE DAMN BALL AND BRING MO OFF THE BENCH AND BROWN GET A FUNE FOR SHAQ AND GO WIN DA DARN CHAMPIONSHIP ALREADY OR SAY GOODBYE TO EVERYTHING! THIS CAPS THING IS PRETTY COOL AND MUCH EASIER.

by no2statquo on May 10, 2010 6:39 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

The all-caps thing shows that you have no concept of how to post to a civilized board.

"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags

by woodsmeister on May 10, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am so sorry my stressing in caps offends you but, the point is about the game and not ones writing techniques. Besides, you may have heard my point already but I say it again and again because if it’s not addressed, it will be an issue.
Have you heard the one where a preacher in church preaches the same sermon every Sunday until one day a parishoner asks, “pastor, I’ve been coming here every Sunday for the past year and you always says the same thing. Why do you do that, we’re tired of it and want to hear something different”. The Pastor responds, “I know I’ve been saying the same thing over and over but, I’m gonna keep saying it until to hear what I’m saying and change what you’re doing”.
Did I use proper enough etiquette for you this time? It’s all good over here, I just want Cle and LBJ, and Shaq to get the ring!

by no2statquo on May 10, 2010 11:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Much better, thank you. If you want people to take you seriously, then don’t scream at them.

"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags

by woodsmeister on May 10, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

You must realize that nobody is going to take you seriously if you post a long rant in capital letters. If you want your points to be heard then write coherantly.

by Buckeye Brad on May 10, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, it’s not OK. You can’t come over here ranting like an unintelligible moron and then offer a snarky, insincere response when someone calls you out on it. Make an effort to reasonably convey what you want to say and people will respectfully discuss it with you. Otherwise you will — rightfully — be ignored.

"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay

by Turkmenbashi on May 10, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

When I first signed up for this site, I distinctly remember it saying that you should personally bash folks – because I could do that all day long. But what’s the point… unless that’s all you can do. Hey, so be it. I’ll just keep making my point…
As for basketball and winning Championships, as far as I can remember Cle hasn’t done anything lately. Maybe their teams are listening to the wrong folks… (intended only for Turkmenbashi…?)
I read in another post that the Cavs and M. Brown are a “no excuses” team. That’s cool but sometimes you need to change things up, if you want to win. There is a difference with being politically correct and winning. Winners have something special within them, some people who’ve never won, usually don’t like whatever that is. Whether it be arrogance, cockiness, nastiness, etc., they are still winners. Isn’t it said that “nice guys finish last”. Most who do not agree with that notion, usually haven’t won anything, in sports that is. Hey I’m not from Cleveland, so I don’t know how things roll out there, but answer me this: supposing (and I hope they do) Cle gets past Boston – can they beat Orlando without making sure Shaq gets 30 plus productive minutes a night, and if they do, what about L.A. Both Stan VanGundy and Phil Jackson will out coach Mike Brown. (they’ll make the necessary adjustments) Right now Cleveland has the benefit of a superior player in Lebron but, he cannot do it alone. He will need help, and oh btw, the games will start to slow down dramatically in the next round and beyond. So who will step up? Jamison will probably do well, but my money’s on Shaq. The rest may fade. Also, what happens when the superior coaches start to make the adjustments. What will we/Cle do?

Ignore me if you like – I’ve got nothing vested in this. I’m just having fun!!! BTW when Cleveland does beat Boston, I’ll be in some nice Orlando seats for games 3 & 4 sporting up a Shaq jersey.

by no2statquo on May 10, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with the sentiment

the CAPS are annoying, I myself just skip over posts like that, but you have no business telling the guy he comes off as a moron for using them. He used caps, you called him names like a child. You could have made the same point without that, but you chose to do it anyways. Maybe a little self reflection on why you chose that route would be good for you as well…

by Eric9321 on May 11, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wrong. I never called him a moron. I said he was ranting like an unintelligible moron, which is the truth. I’m sure he’s a great guy, but his first few posts read like exactly that. Then, when he was called out, he fired back with a sarcastic tone. I did nothing wrong in this exchange for calling it like I saw it.

"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay

by Turkmenbashi on May 11, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Okay

so now you are better for responding to it like a condescending jerk. Got it.

by Eric9321 on May 11, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t think I was being a jerk. I think I was being stern and holding him to a higher standard which I hope this site can maintain. It’s actually a sign of respect for his ideas that I’d prefer he clean up his presentation so others can intelligently discuss them.

"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay

by Turkmenbashi on May 11, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are pushing it

It is one thing to ask people to fix grammar or eyesores, but it is another to call people names or call what they are saying as stupid or moronic. I won’t argue with your logic though, I told you what I think of how you handled it and I will leave it at that, if I keep at you, then I am doing the same thing I don’t agree with that you did. I just happen to think that your response to his post makes this blog look worse than the badly worded and capitalized post he made.

by Eric9321 on May 11, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we want to have intelligent discussions on this site then we need to hold commentators to a high standard. If we let this place get taken over by people making idiotic rants then we become like cleveland.com and espn.com and all the other message boards that are filled with morons.

by Buckeye Brad on May 11, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes of course

I forgot this is the intelligent blog that calls people’s posts moronic. I forgot. I thought what you replied was fair and sufficed, but I guess you couldn’t resist calling someone a name either, and defending those that do? Like I said above, I don’t agree, but I am not the moderator, telling the original post as you did is exactly the way to go-besides just skipping over it, throwing in mean adjectives to try to belittle someone to get your point across is not.

by Eric9321 on May 11, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

LMAO

“But the numbers which mattered most were these three: 29, 18, and 13. As in Rajon Rondo points, rebounds, and assists. Eighteen rebounds…for a guard.

Alrighty then."

I don’t care who you are or what team you root for, that bit of writing was hilarious.

by gatorboi352 on May 10, 2010 7:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks, gatorboi, the game was frustrating, but that performance from Rondo was historic, only been done twice before in the playoffs, and sometimes, you throw your hands in the air and just acknowledge that you played a game you could have won, didn’t, and it was because one player really did make the difference.

by AncientMariner on May 10, 2010 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Cleveland could take the same approach Orlando did against you guys last year. Let one guy go off, do his thing and get his numbers (LeBron last year, Rondo this year) and lock down everyone else around him. You basically hinted at that here:

“If Rondo is not somehow slowed, the Cavaliers had better be ready to neutralize most of the rest of the Celtics.”

I still see Cleveland pulling this series out, just becasue of Boston’s recent adoption (i.e. this season) of the very “On again, off again” game you speak of. I almost see them coming out game 5 flat and disinterested, as they tend to do.

by gatorboi352 on May 10, 2010 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree.
and just acknowledge that you played a game you could have won, didn’t, and it was because one player really did make the difference.

Mo missed wide open threes.
James missed wide open threes.
Shaq missed short shots.
 Rondo can have these same numbers every game and we can still win the next two. The Cavs have to produce the shots, rebounds, and assists we have produced all year. The Cavs lost a winnable game. Rondo did not beat us. ( In fact I would argue that Tony Allen beat us)

But it was a pleasure to watch Rondo’s performance. It was basketball poetry from a point guard.

"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp

by lifelongvike on May 10, 2010 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

What??

“Rondo did not beat us. ( In fact I would argue that Tony Allen beat us)”

Come on now….

As AM said in the article:
“But the numbers which mattered most were these three: 29, 18, and 13. As in Rajon Rondo points, rebounds, and assists. Eighteen rebounds…for a guard”

by gatorboi352 on May 10, 2010 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Saying it doesn't make it true.

If his performance beat us then we wouldn’t have caught up and taken a lead in the fourth quarter.
If his performance had beaten us we could not have won if we had made those open shots we normally make.
If tony Allen had played like Paul Pierce ( poorly) we would not have lost the game.

It is not unusual for a star player to score Huge points, have a triple doulble, and a team still lose. To win this game we needed to make open shots normally made, block out on rebounds ( like we normally do), and intensely go after loose balls. We lost this game. Rondo did not beat us.

"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp

by lifelongvike on May 10, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I concede your points re: Rondo not beating us all alone, in a vacuum, which is why I mentioned our poor shooting and the offensive rebounds Boston gathered in crunch time that led to the baskets which put the game out of reach. But I ask myself why Shaq sat almost the entire fourth quarter, and in my mind I see Shaq standing in the lane and Rondo blowing right past him more than once, and I see LeBron making the statement that maybe he will have to guard Rajon, and I see outlet passes to Celtics after Cleveland scores; passes from a point guard who recognized the right play to make and made it over and over again. Sure, you are right, Rondo would not have ‘won the game’ for Boston had Cleveland made shots and got back better on D…but I think he got in our heads.

by AncientMariner on May 10, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

…Not to mention the disturbing amount of careless turnovers

by AncientMariner on May 10, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for looking at what you wrote with an open mind. No doubt Rondo played beautifully. BTW, I liked the article. I can’t however, look at those turnovers again. It is much to painful.

Why did Shaq sit? Because he was missing shots, fouling instead of guarding and Not running the floor. He was a step off the whole game. I’m not a believer that him being foled is an issue. He has been fouled all game for 18 years. He is just to slow to get around Perkins. He needs to kick out to open men and then move without the ball to get open in a better position.

"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp

by lifelongvike on May 10, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cleveland is well coached.

Lets really look at the game. Did Rondo beat us? No. Even though he had an all star game we took the lead in the second half. He is very fast and will make some points and assists but he can only rebound because NO ONE Blocked HIM OUT. We lost this game on turnovers and rebounding. Missed wide open shots hurt our chances also. If we had simply knocked down a couple of threes and blocked out on rebounds we would have won. Every person would have said Mike Brown did a fine job of playing his bench and rotating players.

  Every game is played with a different intensity. In this one we didn’t have the intensity shown in game three. Not really unusual in an away game against a very strong opponent.

As far as Shaq goes? He is a 370 lb mountain of a man that is missing a ton of short shots. He is not passing the ball back out to open players. He is allowing Perkins to stop him from getting to the rim. When he catches the ball near the basket he brings the ball down instead of "jumping " to the rim. He does these things because he is not the Shaq of twenty years ago. He is a valuable asset to the Cavs but he is slow and is not scoring as well as he should be. Why Z has not played against Boston I can’t quite figure out. He can stretch the floor if he is hitting his jumper. Something has changed since his return. What is unknown.

"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp

by lifelongvike on May 10, 2010 7:47 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree with your points but if u get him the ball and the refs let him play, then he could help in many areas, plus he would get motivated if the refs would get Perkins off his back.

by no2statquo on May 10, 2010 11:38 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

JJ was a liability out there.

And Parker was given too much autonomy with the ball. Lebron looked scared to attack the hoop. He wasn’t controlling the ball at all, making moves and getting people around him open. The Cavs played like there was no gameplan at all.

by The Licensed Pessimist on May 10, 2010 8:02 AM CDT reply actions  

LeBron did look tentative going to the hoop. Sometimes, when he gets clobbered the first few times going to the hoop and doesn’t get calls, he gets tentative. He’s done it before. He’ll start driving and dishing, at which point his teammates have to step up and make shots to keep the defense honest. Yesterday, he was driving and dishing and his teammates couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn so the defense never had to do anything but pack the lane and clobber LeBron every time he drove to the hoop.

"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags

by woodsmeister on May 10, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

JJ was a liability? I'll say...

especially in the 4 th quarter. He allowed the Celtics to score over or around him on defense and drove to the basket out of control for an easy turnover before brown got him out of there. That’s just piss poor performance at the worst time possible.

I'm Polish...what's your excuse?

by Juannieboy on May 10, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely correct.

And how many fans ( Charles Barkley I am talking to you) thought MB should play Hickson more because he can run the floor. MB can’t be blamed for the Cavs poor execution in the fourth. They simply quit doing what they have been taught to do.

"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp

by lifelongvike on May 10, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

What frustrated me about this game was how many times one of the Celtics would be running the floor, Lebron would chase them down, and then they’d just drop it behind them for an easy basket because none of the other Cavs were running the floor. They had several dunks that way and Allen got two wide-open threes that way.

If you’re on the Cavs, and you see Lebron chasing a guy on a fast break, there’s no excuse for you not to get back on the second guy.

by Chemo on May 10, 2010 9:03 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp

by lifelongvike on May 10, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

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