Chris Paul may want out of the Big Easy....can the Cavs work something to get him?
by AncientMariner on Jul 22, 2010 7:56 PM CDT
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New Orleans Hornets star Chris Paul, although he is under contract and although the Hornets' brass has said he will not be traded, now is reported to want out of New Orleans.
After trading Tyson Chandler and firing Byron Scott (perks!!) since signing a contract extension and after missing the playoffs last season, Paul is said to be disenchanted and there may be a meeting coming with him early next week to try and make him see that New Orleans still has a plan to contend, although the Hornets' only addition in this off-season has been reserve center Aaron Gray.
Technically Paul is stuck in Nawlins for two more years, but one could envision him letting the Hornets know that he will not be at all happy if they do not work a deal.
Now...can the Cavs get him? Is there some deal New Orleans would accept to pry him loose? It is likely that Paul would not be thrilled with the Cavs' situation, but...he is a great admirer and friend of Byron Scott.
Thoughts?
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There were apparently only 3 teams he wanted. Those were the Magic, Lakers and Knicks. I would be surprised if he wanted to come to Cleveland, although that would be sweet.
Any package to get a player of his calibur would require JJ Hickson and there’s no debating that. JJ, Mo (to come off the bench as a combo guard for them) and a few picks for Paul? I’m not positive the salaries match up but it’s worth looking into. I’d normally be against giving up any draft picks but for CP3 I’d make an exception.
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Knicks to play with Stoudemire in NY, Magic or Lakers because they are winners. Cleveland has no shot. This is the new reality where superstars will now go only to play with other superstars in every opportunity where they have the choice.
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by woodsmeister on Jul 22, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
salaries don’t need to match, we have a gigantic trade exception.
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by notthatnoise on Jul 23, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Let’s remember that this would be a trade, not a free-agent signing. If I am missing something wherein Paul could veto a trade to certain teams, please feel free to correct me, I truly am not aware of such a thing. In a trade scenario, where Paul could possibly be reunited with Byron Scott, I am not so sure he would nix the idea, although, of course, as has been said, he has stated his preferences and they have not, to this point, included Cleveland.
what assets could we possible entice New Orleans with to make a deal for Paul, that leaves us with a viable team around Paul to compete with?
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New Orleans as a franchise is in very deep financial trouble. Our greatest asset that we can offer to them is the trade exception. Unfortunately, Paul is not going anywhere he doesn’t want to play, and Cleveland is not on that list.
Art Modell gives me a hard one
they’ll be in worse financial trouble should they trade one of the best PGs in the league for role players and the trade exception.
You are reading my signature.
Long-term, yes. But the specifics of the ownerships group’s financial trouble may force them to act on trading Chris Paul, provided the team trading for him takes contracts in return. It’s not the move I would make if I were the Cavs, but they do have the trade exception as a valuable chip.
Art Modell gives me a hard one
While adding Paul would make Cavs title contenders again
Especially if it enticed Shaq to return, I don’t see any chance of it happening. Cavs best hope is to build through the draft and overseas FAs.
If Paul was willing to come to CLE, he should have told Lebron before Lebron cut bait.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2010 10:17 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Chris Paul ..OR.. Dwayne Wade & Chris Bosh
Yeah, LeBron still leaves.
by Simmsinns on Jul 23, 2010 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Time machine Jordan, Russell and Barkley in their primes to the present, sign them to the league minimum salary and MAYBE LeBron stays in Cleveland. Chances are that would have been the only way he would have stayed.
He decided he was gone a long time ago.
by Chief WaDrew on Jul 23, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
and another reason why there is next to zero chance of this happening is that CP is like best friends with The Betrayer, so there’s no way he wants to show him up by trying to replace him on his old team. NFW…
by Greg M Schwartz on Jul 22, 2010 10:24 PM CDT reply actions
yeah seriously
that would make for some awkward conversations. If CP has any veto in a trade (i dont know if he does) then no way he comes to cleveland. And even if he doesnt, him voicing his displeasure with a trade pretty much kills it.
Although, the Cavs could box him in
with the new CBA coming, no way would he walk away from the money he can get from his Bird Rights.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 23, 2010 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
lets not forget
reportedly, the reason CP wants out is because hes jealous of miami thrice and wants to go to a team with other superstars, the goals being either to the magic (with dwight), knicks(with amare) or lakers (obvious).
Would you guys even want him?
Because he’s basically doing the same thing Lebron did, if not worse because he’s not even honoring his contract. With all the betrayal talk about Lebron, why would you want another ‘betrayer’ on your team. He’d probably betray the Cavs in two years as well…
the difference is the front office. The front office for the hornets has not shown they are committed to winning. They fired a coach very prematurely that CP3 liked. We have a FO committed to winning and that same coach. Its a different situation because at the time the cavs WERE committed to winning whereas New Orleans is content to rebuild for the next 5 years.
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gotta point there! I believe the CAVS FO places(placed) a higher value on immediate success and committment than NO…
What CP3 is doing is even worse than what LeBron did. Quit pouting and play. Honor your contract.
by JulioBernazard on Jul 23, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Quit pouting and play. Honor your contract.
really? He is still playing and playing at an extremely high level. He ad an off year but that was more about the fact that he was injured. He showed great improvement on his 3 point shot. He is honoring his contract, he is just frustrated the the Hornets franchise is not committed to winning and not making the right moves to win. the hornets have been even less active than us in Free Agency. With the Cavs, at least we have the excuse that lebron handcuffed us but the Hornets just aren’t moving forward at all…plus they already have a good, younger point guard.
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CP3…..hahahaha! you must be joking, this post is just to get a rise out of us, right? the days of us being a contender are over, we are in rebuilding mode now.
I root for Cleveland and anyone playing the Miami Heat
by rockybrown on Jul 23, 2010 7:22 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
however, if we lets say give up antwan and Mo for CP3 and he plays on a young team, not only will we have a chance to see these young players play, but we could have a ridiculous combination of CP3 and Harrison Barnes.
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Unfortunately, the math doesn’t work on that one and IF NO moves Paul they won’t want to pay 14M a year for AJ..They might be interested in doing a S&T/buy out (Shaq) in which they get to dump even more salary..Cavs sign Shaq for10M.Trade with 3.5M of the exception ( Telfair’s salary also works) they have..
NO buys out Shaq for 5M and then Shaq is free to sign anywhere for the mid level money and still make more than he could in a straight up FA singing, CP3 is reunited with a coach he is comfortable with, and the Cavs have a player who might allow them to attract players in the middle FA range..The Only negative would be Paul’s chances of “winning now”
OF course this is NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN but it would be the best win/win/win for All of the parties involved
by cavslandrocks on Jul 23, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
AM, I love your stuff on FTS. But even as a conversation starter, this is just a ridiculous topic. CP3 has two years left on his deal. What is the point of this? He would leave at the end of his contract. How can you build around that?
Forget about that Gilbert has shown he is willing to build a winner and the NO ownership/FO has not. These young basketball players are prime examples of Generation Y brats. Everything is about them. I’m sorry, but trading for a player like CP3 is not the answer. I’m thinking of what OKC has done.
If the Cavs keep trying to build a playoff team every single year, we will be treading water. I want the Cavs to win a title as much as everyone. But I’m being realistic. I’m hoping Gilbert wakes up and realizes it’s rebuild time. I know we all have had enough of “rebuilding” in Cleveland sports, but this is what happens when your super star takes a dump on the team.
For the record, I’m happy for the good basketball we’ve seen for 7 years. I will always have that. The way The Decision went down has made me realize that the NBA is being taken over by the Gen Y brats. It’s time to take a stand and start over.
Ah, a conversation starter was one goal, very perceptive, but with NO and Paul at odds, I wondered if NO would want to just unload a possible cancer to the team, and if so, what Cleveland would have to offer. But you are right, and I don’t really see this happening
by AncientMariner on Jul 23, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
my first thought exactly, we’ll give AM a pass for this rubbish, most of his stuff is high quality and enjoyable.
I root for Cleveland and anyone playing the Miami Heat
Why thank you, rockybrown, that was a really nice thing to say.
by AncientMariner on Jul 23, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe it’s just me, but I would love for him to be a laker. Hear me out. As a Laker, who I still think will win this year, a lineup of paul, kobe, ron, odom, and gasol would crush. Is it fair? No. Would LBJ get a ring? Doubtful. Anything that keeps a ring of that man’s finger I’m good for. Not a laker fan, just want to see how Miami “fans” treat their ringless king.
College basketball just became more interesting...
by allovertheplace on Jul 23, 2010 10:28 AM CDT reply actions
f it , I want the Magic to get him. Anything to slow down the dbags in Miami works for me
Im the poor man's corey maggette!!!
That too, but I think him as a laker would make them unbeatable, I don’t care how many vets or role players Miami convinces to sign at the minimum. Paul on that Orlando team would still get beat by Miami in a playoff series imo. The knicks thing would be cool too, but that would only work if Carmelo goes there next year, meaning the Heat could possibly win this year. Dunno bout you but I don’t want that to happen. An immediate swift arse kickin and denial of rings is preferable, and I think the Lake show is the team that can do it.
College basketball just became more interesting...
by allovertheplace on Jul 23, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Who on miami is going to guard Dwight Howard? cause it sure isn’t Z or Bosh.
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by notthatnoise on Jul 23, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
DHoward will be unstoppable. But they’re going to force the other guys to beat them. Let Howard get his and let’s see what the mentally weak Vince Carter can do. And lets see if Rashard Lewis can look anything like a $22M.
And on the flip side of your question, who’s guarding Lebron and Wade on the Magic? No one. That series will be over quickly.
You have the strategy right, I think you just said it wrong.
They’ll probably lock down everyone else on the team and make Howard win the game by himself. Wade will shut down Vince and LeBron can handle Shard (I think that will be the Magic’s SF next year.) The Magic’s bench will destroy their bench, though.
I hate the Magic but if it comes down to those two teams in the ECF I’m rooting for the Magic.
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I agree. Guys like Gorcat, Quentin Richardson, and Pietrus can start on most teams in the league and come off the bench. I will be rooting for the Magic too.
I also love how the magic always come up with great acquisitions. They got Quentin richardson, plus 2 really good defenders in the draft, including one who has enough freakish athleticism and focus and skills on D to possibly shut down lebron.
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Pietrus was decent in the past at guarding Lebron. Plus Quentin Richardson is a solid defender. Both are wing players (G/F) and both Lebron and Wade will likely play on the wing. You also have Carter who has the length at 6-7 and long arms to guard lebron, though he may not have the speed to stay in front of lebron. But right there you have 3 good defenders who are 6’6’’ and tall enough to guard lebron and quick enough to guard either wade or him at least decently well.
I disagree that it would be over quickly. Howard and Gorcat are both excellent defenders and would shut down Bosh and Udonis. They can also provide help on D in the paint and can contest shots whenever Lebron or Wade penetrate. Then you got a bunch of solid perimeter defenders to guard Wade or Lebron and you can rotate them so none of those 3 is guarding Lebron or Wade for too long…Then guys like Ryan Anderson and Rashard who can play the 4 (or 3 but more likely the 4) can cause matchup problems on D for the Heat. Bosh would get taken to town by Rashard…None of The heats defenders can truly guard these guys…maybe bosh
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CP3 running the break with people like Eyenga and Samardo Samuels would be sick.
Unfortunately we might not have the pieces to get him.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
So... would you guys say Andy is considered better than Emeka Okafor?
If so, what about the trade exception, JJ (teams really want JJ) and Andy for CP3 and Emeka? Would they like that?
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
We are all kidding ourselves about this actually happening, but why not?
Getting Paul would be awesome on a number of levels. He is a great player, it would force LeCon to constantly doubt whether he made the right choice, etc. But I think that Cavs should permanently boycott LRMR. The sooner those guys are forced to put their talents toward doing some actual work, the better.
Yes, I am that bitter.
Every pessimist thinks himself a realist. In the case of Cleveland sports fans, they are probably right.
This is just a dream, but imagine the trade I mentioned above happening.
CP3/Mo Williams/Boobie
Anthony Parker/Cristian Eyenga
Jamario Moon/some FA or something
Jamison/Samardo Samuels
Emeka Okafor/FA? (I feel like I might be missing someone here…)
We would kick truckloads of ass.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
You are missing JJ and Andy.
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If the trade I brought up happened JJ and Andy would be gone.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
New Orleans is NOT looking for more, or even matching salary to carry IF they move Paul.
They would be looking to blow the team up and go cheap…With only a net savings of a couple million in salary (Andy thru 2014) and a couple million of the Cavs trade exception, That would be a deal that the Hornets would definitely pass on
by cavslandrocks on Jul 23, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
There is a better chance of a Tsunami forming in Lake Erie and barrelling towards Cleveland then Chris Paul coming here. Stealing a line from Michael Reghi,,“Get off the air you ignorant Ass” ( I am only kidding by the way). Can we be serious, sure its nice to dream but even when we had Lebron here we couldnt go out and get another all star player to come here, how is it going to happen when Lebron is not here (Dont tell me Moe Williams was an all star player as he was an injury fill in) .Plus Lebron’s management team now represents Paul so does anyone think Lebron would do the cavs any favors any more ? Cleveland fans have been blind of the NBA’s problems the last 7 years because we were part of the problem meaning if we had Gunde still owning the cavs we would not have been even close to competing for a title because he would not have been willing to have a pay roll of 100 million like Gilbert. Everyone rips the Yankees and baseball but the NBA is WORSE. There have only been 8 teams in the last 30 years, let me repeat that, 8 teams in the last 30 years that have won a championship. In baseball there have been 8 teams in the last 9 years that have won a championship. Superstar NBA players teaming up is nothing new. The only way you win a championship in the NBA is if you get lucky to draft a Lebron type player and then go way over the salary cap by surrounding that player with other players that want to come to your team. Basically go back any year in the last 10 years and before the season even starts a 5 year old can tell you which 4 or 5 teams are going to compete for a final. There are never any surprises. At least in baseball a team like the tribe who only plays the yankees 6x a year can compete for a playoff spot in their division and with an ace pitcher can upset teams in the playoffs. In the NBA that never happens. I hope they have a lock out next year because the league needs to be like Hockey and football if it is going to be any good. Baseball and the NBA is a joke. Lebron should not have left the way he did but at the same time the bottom line is the cavs never got him that 2nd or 3rd great player to put them over the top. Dont tell me Shaq is still a great player as he is about to retire because no one wants him. Anyone can beat anyone during the regular season with the schedule favoring some teams concerning back to back nights and 4 games in 5 days when you are playing each other, but it is a totally differant season in the playoffs when you are on the same schedule as the other team and have to beat them 4×.. Forget about Chris Paul, the cavs need to blow up and start over, thats the only way they have a chance of competing again. With the team they have now even if they added Paul they would be a 7th or 8th seed filled with mostly aging veterans. They need to blow up, start over and get young. People laughed at me when i said last year that if the cavs didnt win a title even the knicks would be in better situation to compete faster than the cavs starting with this year and it looks like I was right. The cavs need to turn the page on the lie-n-king era and start over.
by Luigi from little Italy on Jul 24, 2010 9:45 AM CDT reply actions
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Love the rant, right on dude!
Can’t believe that 8 teams stat but I believe you, its just amazing when you lay it out like that!
Chris Paul needs to go to Orlando
Seeing Orlando roll over Lebron and the Heat for the next 5 years would be worth it.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 1:35 PM CDT reply actions
This makes me want to puke…. but the latter end of it… does in fact make it worth it.
The state of the NBA is pretty sad. And by that I mean, the competition is now this: how many superstars a team can fudge together on one team.
It used to be the superstars were all on different teams, competing with each other.
I just realized though, Florida fans (the most fair weather of them all) wouldn’t love this. They can root for Miami and Orlando and not feel at all torn. Whoever wins is their favorite. Would it be sweet to see LeBron never get his ring? Yes! But it doesn’t shut the fans up, because as soon as they lose to Orlando, they’re all Magic fans.
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