What would you do if you were the Cavaliers' GM for this upcoming season?
by Tiny iZ Boss on Jul 28, 2010 9:59 AM CDT
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What kind of moves do you make? What are your goals? What will be your ideal team identity?
The moves I would make....
1) Trade Delonte West.... crap!
2) Trade Mo Williams. My ideal scenario would be to move him and AP to Portland for Rudy Fernandez, Joel Przybilla & a future 2nd Round pick. I would love MO if he could play some semblance of defense. He cost us the Boston series more than LeBron did because he could not guard Rajon Rondo.
3) Trade Antawn Jamison. I would only look to move this contract if I could get a Center's expiring contract in return i.e. Tyson Chandler. I've always felt that Chandler was an underrated talent but had some injury problems. Maybe we could work out Jamison for Chandler, DeShawn Stevenson (for a buyout of course... ugh) and a future 2nd Rounder.
4) Attempt to resign Delonte West to a contract after Minnesota waives him. The guy is a ferocious defender and can penetrate to the hoop. Plus, it would stick in LeBron's side...
5) Get value for Shaq's Bird Rights. Work something out with where he wants to go. Atlanta seems to be a desired destination. Offer up Shaq (S&T) , Jamario Moon, and Minnesota's 2013 2nd pick for Marvin Williams.
My goals would be...
1) To find a balance between being competitive and setting up for next year's free agency (Carmelo Anthony).
2) To make sure any players that I acquire work in my head coach's offensive and defensive schemes.
3) To understand the CBA and salary cap rules.
4) To acquire an All-Star to attract other good players via trade.
My team's indentity...
Ideally, my team would be an defensively minded team with capable scoring ability. We would have a mix of veteran leadership with developing talent.
My 2010-2011 line-up...
PG - Ramon Sessions
SG - Rudy Fernandez
SF - Marvin Williams
PF - J.J. Hickson
C - Tyson Chandler
Bench
PG - Delonte West
SG - Daniel Gibson / Christian Eyenga
SF - Jawad Williams / Danny Green
PF - Anderson Varejao / Leon Powe
C - Joel Przybilla / Ryan Hollins
I like this line-up for 2010-2011. It's rich with young talent and has a relatively deep bench. If we could add a superstar like Carmelo Anthony next offeseason or even at the Trade Deadline, then this team could look better than any team we've had with LeQueen.
This is just me if I were GM. What would you do?
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1. Fill the hole at the 3. This is a HUGE need. LeBrat left us with a big hole there. Some names that may be available are James Johnson and Marvin Williams.
2. Do something with Shaq’s Bird Rights. He apparently wants to go to Boston. How about ’Sheed’s non-guaranteed contract (he’s retiring) and some sort of pick? We can take on an uneven salary trade, waive Sheed and end up with nothing but a pick out of that deal.
That’s all I can think of now. Sorry for this not being very long or having a lot of ideas.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
This is only what I would do....
I think that we can score more out of a trade involving Shaq’s bird rights, though.
My general feeling is that the Cavs won’t be that great this year if we don’t make some moves. We’ll have a great draft pick and some cap space to do something with next offseason, unlike LeQueen and the Heat.
by Tiny iZ Boss on Jul 29, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I really dont know what people see in Rudy Fernandez, and Pryzbilla is pretty mediocre
I am pretty sure Jamison is going before Mo is though.
I think that you are correct in that Anthony Parker will probably be the first player traded out.
It all depends on whether the Cavs want to be a mediocre team striving for the playoffs, or a rebuilding team.
I hope they do not choose the latter because it seems nowadays that if you start rebuilding, you dont stop.
Przybilla is an expiring contract that can moved.
We can move him to take on more salary next offseason via sign-and-trade. I think he can be a capable back-up, but not a starter.
by Tiny iZ Boss on Jul 29, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree after some careful thought, I don’t think Rudy Fernandez is anything special. As far as If I were the GM. I would sign Josh Boone to be starting center and sign Joe Alexander to be our starting SF. Beginning of the year…the starting line-up will be Alexander, Hickson, Boone, Mo, and Sessions. As the season goes on, trade Parker, Moon, Powe, Mo, and Jamison. Try to get as many 1st round picks as possible and young players that fit our system. As far as Shaq, trade him to the Celtics for anything.
Well..
I think this line-up is perfect to insert a star next offseason and a draft pick to come off of the bench regardless of what position you fill. If you get Carmelo, he is obviously the 3. If you get Noah or Duncan, then they are 5s. I don’t think Noah or Duncan are going anywhere. I say to get Carmelo, the Cavs need to throw the kitchen sink at the Nuggets. Offer all 4 picks (that the Heat gave us for LeBron) and Antawn Jamison for Carmelo.
I would be alright with Joe Alexander coming to contend for the starting SF, but Josh Boone for anything but the veteran minimum on a one-year deal doesn’t make sense.
I also want to see Jerome Dyson get signed to come in as a backup guard. He did well with the summer league team.
by Tiny iZ Boss on Jul 29, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure I have the best idea ever...
1. sign back shaq
2. sign Tracy Mcgrady
hear me out
3. sign allen iverson.
4. Get a time-talent machine and put these three guys in it. set for 2002. might as well throw antawn in there if there is room.
5. Can somebody say Big Four?
or scrap everything and rebuild. boring.
by TheForge4 on Jul 28, 2010 11:53 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
in all honesty i can't believe there isnt one team considering somthing like this.
theres gotta be an organization out there dumb enough
If I were GM, hypothethical trade...
Blockbuster trade… Trade Mo Williams and Andy Varejao to OKC for Jeff Green, James Harden, Daequan Cook and second round pick.
Second trade… Sign and trade Shaq to Boston w/ Parker for Avery Bradley, Semih Erden, and Rasheed Wallace.
Third trade… Trade Jamison and Moon to Knicks for Wilson Chandler and Eddy Curry
Your new team is
SF Jeff Green, Wilson Chandler
PF J.J. Hickson, Leon Powe, Samardo Samuels
C Eddy Curry, Ryan Hollins, Semih Erden
SG James Harden, Boobie Gibson, Danny Green, Christian Eyenga, Daequan Cook
PG Ramon Sessions, Avery Bradley
With these trades you have acquired young talent and none are signed to long term contracts. Every player acquired is versatile.
I can’t even dream this and I have thought of some pretty unrealistic trades. James harden had an excellent Rookie campaign, is young, and has loads of potential. Jeff green is already a very good player and still could be a star. you are trading 2 guys with not a ton of upside for 2 guys who are similarly as good AND have ridiculous upside. Mo=Jeff Green, Andy=Harden. Maybe Andy is a bit better overall player at this point than Harden, but Harden Oozes potential. plus, daequan cook is a solid bench player, and then they give US a second round pick. Not even in my dreams can that trade happen. Probably not even if we took either Harden or Green out AND the draft pick (so Mo and Andy for Harden and Cook probably wouldn’t happen)
the second trade is actually somewhat Realistic. the third trade is also realistic and honestly. Honestly on the third trade, I think we get the worse end of the deal.
You also have to think about why teams would want to acquire a player. Why would OKC want Mo? They already have a star PG in Russell Westbrook plus Mo is a bit small to play Off Guard. Why would you trade away a backup with upside for another backup with less upside?
I actually see the trade being realistic if we give them Jamison and Andy and then get Green and harden, but also give up a couple second rounders, or maybe the first we got from Miami. That actually makes sense because I don’t mind giving up the pick b/c both Green and Harden were lottery picks. What that team needs is Defensive Presence inside and rebounding. Green isn’t much of a rebounder for a 4 and may be more of a 3…but Durant plays the 3. They could survive losing Harden because they have good shooters like Selashalofa and Eric Maynor. They get 2 excellent starting Big men who can rebound and provide D. Jamison is like what green’s potential is (at least Jamison a year or two ago). This trade could work.
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First off, I would not call Jeff Green a budding star, he was more successful in college than in the NBA and James Harden had an ok rookie campaign. The blockbuster trade above is a dream scenario, that said it does not mean it could not happen. I’ll probably agree that Cook and a second round pick is probably a bit too much for Green and Harden but Cook needed to be included for the trade to work. As far as the second round pick, the Thunder are loaded with young players now and draft picks are probably more of an assets to them than a necessity. Like you said Harden=Mo and Green=Varejao. However Varejao is much better than Jeff Green. Varejao is a better rebounder and gives them more defense. Mo is a better shooter than Harden plus he has more experience than Harden. With Varejao on OKC, he instantly becomes the best PF on that team and as far as Mo, he is the back-up PG on the team and can play SG along side Westbrook. The trade helps both teams, the Cavs get younger and OKC can have an explosive offense and they have a better defender and rebounder plus they add people that have more playoff experience. One last thing, I don’t think OKC would want Jamison. He is too expensive and probably does not fit their system.
I’ll have to retract my statement a little bit about Jeff Green, I’ve seen his statistics and they looked pretty good, maybe he could be a star. But Jeff Green is not a PF where as Varejao is, Varejao could easily average a double-double with Durant beside him. Varejao is a much better defender than Green. I think the trade could probably be modified where it is Green, Harden, and Cook for Mo and Varejao. Cook doesn’t have to be in the trade, they just need a throw in player or two to make the trade work.
e blockbuster trade above is a dream scenario, that said it does not mean it could not happen. I’ll probably agree that Cook and a second round pick is probably a bit too much
Really? I don’t think you can get OKC to pull the trigger without taking away those 2 and giving up a first rounder (one of the ones from Miami).
Like you said Harden=Mo and Green=Varejao. However Varejao is much better than Jeff Green. Varejao is a better rebounder and gives them more defense. Mo is a better shooter than Harden plus he has more experience than Harden.
Yes, right now. However, Harden is already a very good player and has a lot of upside. Varejao may be a little better than Green now, but green is improving.
One last thing, I don’t think OKC would want Jamison. He is too expensive and probably does not fit their system.
He wouldn’t fit? his game is very similar to Green’s. Both are Athletic PFs who have a good inside/outside game and are very good shooters. The difference is that Jamison is a much better rebounder.
I also don’t think Andy would play PF there. They have a much bigger need at C. Andy may not be a great Starting C but he is better than Kristic. Kristic shouldn’t really start, especially on a team that good and they really have no one that experienced behind him. I really don’t see them trading both of those guys away, unless they get 2 big men. They need a Legit C and already have guys who can pass off the bench and also shoot, like Eric Maynor, who can do all the things Mo does (just not AS efficient yet, but he was only a rookie).
I just don’t see them giving up that much for a backup C and I don’t see Mo being able to play the 2, especially in the West when you have 2 guards like Afflalo, Kobe, and others who are just as quick but have 4 inches on Mo.
Jamison is not significantly more expensive than Mo.
The trade I had didn’t work out in money, so I have another however.
Leon Powe, Jamison, a Miami first rounder, and Andy for Green, Harden, and Nick Collison. This is a dream trade that is actually somewhat realistic.
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I agree my trade scenario is totally ridiculous because why would they want to trade Green and Harden. Both are still on their rookie contracts and in case of Jeff Green, he will be a restricted free agent next year but any contract would probably be matched by OKC. Well somehow the Cavs are going to have to get value from guys like Andy, Jamison, Mo, Powe, Parker, and Moon. As far as a S/T with Shaq, there was an article that they are so complex, it is unlikely to happen. Look at Barnes and Toronto, that fell through. Antawn Jamison’s value is not that high so the Cavs will probably have to take anything for him so IF the Knicks were interested in giving us a young player like Wilson Chandler, they should jump at that opportunity.
I agree. We need to get something for these guys. I guess I see your point, I just thought that if we gave them the right pieces, getting those guys could be possible…
Imagine a starting Lineup though of PG-Westbrook, SG-Thabo, SF-Durant, PF-Jamison, C-Andy. That is an excellent team and they definitely get better.
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Just realized my proposed trade does not have contracts matching up. I had to add in anthony parker so we give up him plus those guys.
We need a big man however to play Center.
I would trade mo williams and either Get either Dampier and Diop and accompany them with Picks or Players (dampier can only be paired with picks b/c of his contract). Charlotte also lost Raymond Felton in the offseason. They desperately need a PG and someone with experience. They have 2 point guards: one is Shaun Livingston is more fragile than Larry Hughes ever was but has no perimeter shot and only drive, and the other is a good shooting point guard who lost his shooting touch. Their PG play will be terrible.
I think a trade of Mo for Nazr Muhammad and Gerald Henderson would work b/c they already have Dampier at Center and they also have enough wing players and most of them are better natural shooters than Gerald henderson (who isn’t a great shooter, but a solid one and a good defender).
With these trades, I see the linup being
PG-Sessions
SG-Harden
SF-Green
PF-Hickson
C-Nazr Muhammad
(or we could do Sessions, Harden, Moon, Green, Hickson against smaller quicker teams because green may not be a natural SF and is more of a SF/PF tweener).
The whole team (including Backups would be
PG-Sessions, Boobie, Royal Ivey (I just decided maybe we throw in an extra 2nd in the OKC deal to get another backup PG so we have a distributor…just a thought)
SG-Harden, Henderson, Eyenga
SF-Green, Moon, Green (danny)
PF- Hickson, Collison, Samuels
C-Muhammad, Hollins.
That is a solid 14 man roster right there.
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Charlotte does need a PG, I would definitely trade Mo to Charlotte, I would take Gerald Henderson and a 1st round pick for Mo.
Yes. I also was saying Muhammad b/c of the contract. Mo has a 9 million contract but they are over the cap. Charlotte has 3 Centers who are all payed at least 6 million dollars. They have Nazr Muhammad, Sagana Diop, and Dampier. They likely brought in Dampier to start, and I think we could pry Muhammad away from them and his almost 7 million dollar salary could help us get Mo.
I think they have WAY too much money invested in a position they are mediocre in. They are spending WAY too much money on Big men. The Center position is 26 million in salary, and they are 20 million over the cap. Their frontcourt starters alone are making 33 million dollars almost; 11 million a player…and the only good player is Gerald Wallace. We NEED to pick up a Center and they have some contracts i bet they’d love to unload.
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I was thinking instead of any of those centers, I would trade Mo Williams and Moon for Boris Diaw and Gerald Henderson, if lucky maybe a 1st, definitely a second. With Boris Diaw, he is a little tweener could play both SF and PF, knows the uptempo offense from previously playing with the Suns. Pretty much a do everything type player. Could definitely solidify our starting rotation w/ Diaw, Hickson, Andy, Sessions, and Parker. Then second crew would be Jamison, Powe, Hollins, Gibson, and Henderson. As far as Jamison, my belief he will probably be more valuable at the deadline than at the current moment. I think Parker will be easy to trade, #1, it is an expiring contract and definitely a good role player for a playoff team that is looking for size on the wing.
None of those 3 centers are worth what they are getting. But size always gets paid. If I’m not mistaken Dampier’s contract is not guaranteed so he could get cut. I’m not sure if that is in Charlotte’s cards. But probably Diop will be the starting center. Funny, for and all intents and purposes, Diop is a stiff however he signed two contracts worth what $50 million combined.
I don’t like Diaw personally. I would much rather have a True Center than Diaw. Diaw might have a bit better of an offensive game, but I have never been a fan and I think he’s a bit overrated just b/c he is versatile.
Also, the Princeton offense is significantly different than the Phoenix offense. they are both faced pace offense, but do not call for the same personnel. I would much rather take on an overpayed Center (Nazr Muhammad) than an even more overpayed Forward who I believe is overrated.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
If the third trade were to happen, that would be a huge advantage for the Cavs because the Cavs will have Curry’s large expiring contract and get an upcoming SF/SG. A couple years ago, Chandler was really good, last year he fell off, I don’t know if it was the system or the coach didn’t like him. But a couple years ago, he looked like a do everything player, he can shoot, defend, and rebound.
I agree he could be good. I just think we could get more than just wilson chandler for Jamison who is still an excellent player. Plus, if we deal all 3 guys, I want to get at least 1 legit Big man besides Green who I am not sure if he is a true PF.
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Dude, do you seriously think Noah would come to Cleveland? I think we all know what he thinks about Cleveland as a city. Cleveland really isn’t much of a destination for a big free agent at all. Especially not when you consider that NY will have cap space to sign a big FA and they already have Amar’e. So they can pick Amar’e and the bright lights or Mo WIlliams and Cleveland.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
I second that, no superstar free agents will come to Cleveland, the only superstars coming here are through the draft or trade.
And you rarely ever get a superstar through a trade.
So we better draft well.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
No WAY for Delonte
Suggesting we bring back Delonte makes you almost as crazy as he is. I was on his side ALL season, because I know someone who’s bipolar and I can sympathize. But if there’s the slightest shred of truth to the thing w/ Gloria, then this guy is a backstabber that you don’t want on yer team. period. Too much of a loose cannon…
by Greg M Schwartz on Jul 31, 2010 1:03 AM CDT reply actions
I like how he backstabbed the backstabber.
That makes me respect him.
Seriously though, yeah, we don’t want him. What if he bones everyone else on the team’s moms?
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
A trade to Philly...
Philly is looking to dump Andre Igoudala’s hefty contract. Maybe a trade to the Sixers?
Sign a big man first. Maybe Lou Amundson or Earl Barron (still available) to back up Anderson as I think Hollins is more of a PF. Both big man have shown they can play productive minutes. Although Amundson is more of a banger and Barron is more finesse. Barron has a slight edge on offense while Sweet Lou is a much more defensive minded big man than Earl. Either way, this guys are still available and a vet. minimum or a little more could probably land one of them, maybe both.
Then trade Mo, Parker, and/or with 2nd round for Andre Igoudala. Although Igoudala’s contract is pretty fat and long, he’s young and athletic and can score and defend.
Does it sound okay, or crazy?
Lineup if the proposed trade and signings happen.
Sessions
Igoudala
Jamison
Hickson
Varejao
Gibson
Eyenga/Green
Moon/Graham
Hollins/Powe
“Barron/Amundson”
just an opinion.
It's not so crazy...
I would support a move for Igoudala if we could attract another star after that.
Jamison needs to be moved. He is a terrible defender as a SF. As a PF, he creates a mismatch, but it stifles J.J.’s development. Jamison needs to go.
I also heard Mo going to Charlotte. I like that idea. Especially, if we could turn it into a three-team trade with Atlanta. Maybe we could move Shaq, AP, & Mo and get a 1st Rounder and Marvin Williams back.
Not sure what you mean by "attract" another star.
Considering we’ll hardly have any cap space left.
And I repeat, NO BIG FREE AGENT WANTS TO GO TO CLEVELAND!
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
If they just want to dump his contract...
The trade exception comes in handy. Give them some of the trade exception and a young, cheap prospect. Then throw in a pick or two.
Since Sessions and Hollins are here now, if we could get Iguodala at a low price we’d be almost as good as when LeBron was here.
/pipe dream
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
The more and more I think about it, the Cavs should stand pat, realistically once they sign Jawad Williams, the roster will be full. The Cavs could play a half season and then as the trade deadline approaches that could probably trade every veteran on the team for some young prospects and draft picks. Most likely Mo will be traded to Charlotte, I can’t see the Bobcats being successful with Augustin/Livingston as their PG. I don’t know what we could get for Mo but I would take a first round pick and a expiring contract to make the trade work. As far as Antawn probably the same thing, maybe include Parker, Powe, and Moon in the Mo and Jamison deals.
Good idea.
Trade away veterans like Jamison and Mo around the trade deadline for contenders looking to get over the hump (like the Cavs last year when we got Jamison.) Trade them for expiring contracts, picks and prospects. It’s as good a rebuilding plan as any.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
Maybe Grant can use some magic to make this happen.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
Stand pat or do small deals...
And reassess what you have got.
We have to figure out who can do what. If Hickson and Green are gonna pan out, its time to show it, not so much results wise as improvement wise.
Who do we really want to keep? I think they keep Jamison and move Mo, but it depends on who looks like a long term piece halfway through the season, and what their record is at that time too.
That said, we do have a couple pieces we know don’t fit, (Parker) so those could go anytime.
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