Broussard: LeBron Wants Chris Bosh In Cleveland
by John Bena (aka CavsBlogger) on Jul 6, 2010 8:44 AM CDT
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PrintLeBron James wants to stay in Cleveland and he wants Chris Bosh to join him. That, according to ESPN's Chris Broussard, who made the assertion this morning on ESPNRadio's Mike and Mike in the Morning program. According to Broussard, part of the reason there has been a delay in LeBron's announcement is he is trying to convince Bish to come to Cleveland with him. That could only happen, of course, if the Toronto Raptors worked out a sign-and-trade for Bosh with the Cavaliers.
Bosh had reportedly stated that, while he did want to play with James, it had to be in Chicago or Miami. Bosh wants to grow is brand, and feels that can only happen in a bigger market. Perhaps, but Bosh should look no further than LeBron himself to see that big cities are no longer necessary when it comes to global icon status.
"It can happen, it's just a matter of convincing Chris Bosh to agree to it," Broussard said on the show, referring to the Cavaliers ability to strike a deal with the Raptors.
Hypothetically, any deal the Cavaliers make with Toronto would likely include multiple picks and players such as Anderson Varejao, J.J. Hickson and Delonte West.
For their part, every side involved has confirmed the reports - at least regarding the Cavaliers interest in Bosh. Henry Thomas, Bosh's agent, confirmed that the Cavaliers have called regarding his client. Toronto has also confirmed that the Cavaliers have discussed sign-and-trade deals with Toronto.
Stay tuned....
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Wow!!
This means Lebron is leaning heavily towards staying!
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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Jul 6, 2010 8:46 AM CDT reply actions
Maybe it’s situation where his first choice is to stay, but only if he can get Bosh. If he can’t he might plan on leaving.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Trading Andy would suck, and I know JJ is a fan favorite, but to have Bosh playing PF w/Leon Powe backing him up! Great imo. But what to do with Jamison if this happens?
Bosh doesn’t want to play center, so…
IF this were to happen this makes Cleveland the place to be once again!
Where is the SBN Buckeye blog?
The Cavs should be going all out to do this. They should trade anyone and any draft picks they need to get Bosh and re-sign James.
Yea, every possible effort should be made to make this happen since it likely means keeping LeBron. The way Broussard makes it sounds is that the details of the trade are hashed out, but that convincing Bosh to come to Cleveland is the hard part.
Right. Windhorst is reporting that the Raptors want Varejao, Hickson, and West (because he’s got a favorable contract) and maybe Parker. I’d hate to give up Andy because of his defensive abiities but you’ve got to do that if you can get Bosh. Pairing him with LeBron would make the Cavs so much better and we can find other players to fill in for the other guys (Danny Green, Jawad Williams, Leon Powe) and Shaq may come back as well.
I’d hate to give up Andy because of his defensive abiities but you’ve got to do that if you can get Bosh.
Agree 100%
Giving up Andy makes no sense if we can’t find someone who is both willing and able to play center. Trading JJ is fine, draft picks are nearly worthless given that we end up with one of the best records in the league even before Bosh, and Delonte is a slow motion train wreck waiting to happen. So if that is the deal, its a no-brainer provided Bosh will agree. Jamison and Powe can spell Bosh when necessary, but if you give up Varejao, now we need 2 centers. Shaq and Z don’t seem like enough to push us through the play-offs without Andy stepping up the energy off the bench.
Every pessimist thinks himself a realist. In the case of Cleveland sports fans, they are probably right.
Ugh
Who cares? You have LeBron and Bosh. Trade the whole damn team. You can easily find players to fill in the other positions.
With what cap space?
Every pessimist thinks himself a realist. In the case of Cleveland sports fans, they are probably right.
It doesn’t matter now that Bosh is out.
If you give the Cavs those two guys at maximum contracts I’m sure you could fill in the pieces of the roster enough to win a title.
You can easily win it without the likes of Hickson, Andy, etc. Those guys are easily replaceable parts. LeBron, not so much.
I repeat, the Cavs should be willing to trade or sign everyone and anyone if it get LeBron back in town.
I think Toronto has a unique opportunity to screw the whole Lebron sweepstakes up. What if Bosh goes to Houston? Now what? What if we get Barbosa instead for West and Moon? This waiting on rumors is making me go crazy.
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Yeah, it’s driving me nuts, too. I just wish LeBron would be like “Hey, I’m staying. Who’s coming with me?”.
I’m not an expert on salary caps and trading rules, etc. but would it be possible if LeBron stayed and we didn’t get Bosh to get Chris Paul next season? Because they’re good friends and Paul really liked Byron Scott.
knicks fan here
You guys are right.. Cleve mgm should be willing to shit gold to make this happen.. I mean, its the franchise they could possible save..
but what exactly is it going to take to get bosh here? If it is indeed varejo hickson and west plust a few picks… is it really worth it? who else would be of talent remaining on the roster? I always thought hickson was pretty good.
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
I am hoping it is...
Andy OR J.J.
FTS
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by John Bena (aka CavsBlogger) on Jul 6, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Jeebus
Who cares who is involved? Trade Hickson, Andy, and anyone else that Toronto wants to make this happen. LeBron and Bosh would pretty much guarantee at least one title in Cleveland over the 6 years they would be under contract.
This is hardly even worth debating, if a deal can be made for Bosh, they should just do it.
Yes.
Trade anything and everything if it gets you Bosh and LeBron. I can’t believe that anyone still wants to worry about losing Hickson or what to do with Jamison. It doesn’t matter at all.
This was the same madness that crept up when the Cavs were trying to get Amare. And Bosh is much better than Amare. Make the trade and fill in the gaps around the big two.
Well, this is a much different scenario than the Amare trade. For one, Bosh is better than Amare (as you said). And Amare was only signed for the rest of the season while you’d be getting Bosh for 6 years. So of course you’d give up much more for Bosh than for Amare.
Yep
I’m just saying that people were freaking out over losing Hickson for Amare. It turns out the Hickson was a complete nonfactor in the playoffs.
he was a factor
when he was in the game, not his fault Mike Brown played him for a game or 2 and then didn’t play him at all. Game 1 CLE vs. BOS he played 11mins scored 11pts with 2 rebounds. Game 2 CLE vs. BOS he played 19min, scored 13pts with 1 rebound. Game 3 he played 16mins and after that game the most minutes he played was 5mins. JJ is growing and getting better imo. But hell blow the roof open, and for the record I think Amare is better than Bosh and is more of an impact player than Bosh is.
Obviously if this is the only way LeBron would stay, then you have to be willing to give it a go, but two guys (even those two guys) are not a team on their own. Does anyone really think that Miami, even if they had Wade and Bosh, is going to compete with all those empty roster slots needing to be filled at near minimum salaries? If you give up Varejao, you had better be damn sure that you can get at least a good center no older than 30 or so, or multiple title runs are out of the question. It would be asking too much out of Shaq and Z, who aren’t even sure things at this point.
Every pessimist thinks himself a realist. In the case of Cleveland sports fans, they are probably right.
exactly
I agree 100%. I honestly don’t like this sign and trade because we would be giving up key pieces of the team. If you want to trade someone get rid of Mo for sure. Anderson is a key part of the team and Hickson is a key part of our future. But if this is the only way to keep LeBron I would do it.
I also think getting rid of Mo would make sense, especially if Telfair can stay healthy and can step up (a big question mark). The problem is that Mo actually wants to play in Cleveland, and there aren’t likely to be too many suitors for him given his liabilities and contract. Unloading him doesn’t seem likely.
I don’t like letting Hickson go anymore than anyone else would. However, if he goes some place where he can get some playing time, i.e. not behind Bosh, Jamison, Shaq, Varejao, etc. he will keep developing and might be available again later on. One would hope he would be willing to return to Cleveland at some future date, especially if LeBron is still here.
Every pessimist thinks himself a realist. In the case of Cleveland sports fans, they are probably right.
You can’t expect to get anything out of Telfair. He’s never been a good player in the NBA even when he was healthy. There is no way the Cavs are going to trade Mo and hand the PG spot over to him.
Yeah
Telfair sucks. No reason to be including him in any sort of future plans. What the heck is with Clevelanders and wish-casting on their young players?
I wouldn’t make judgements on all Cleveland fans on the basis of something one person said. I think most Cavs fans know that Telfair sucks.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 7, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
True
I just get annoyed of constantly trying to hang onto the young players or hoping that every Carlos Carrasco and JJ Hickson is going to be an all-star.
Sometimes prospects suck for no apparent reason (see Andy Marte) and it’s good to get rid of them if it brings back something that makes a title possible.
For example, Hickson for Stoudemire would have made the playoff roster much much better than Hickson sitting and Jamison sucking, or when the Indians refused to trade Colon and Wright for Pedro Martinez in the 1990s or make a definitive move in their two playoff runs in the 2000s.
I just want a Cleveland team to gear up and go for it all for once.
Well, it’s easy to second-guess those moves in hindsight. If Jaret Wright became the great pitcher that he could have been then you wouldn’t be saying that. And the Suns weren’t going to trade Stoudamire anyways so I don’t know why you keep saying that the Cavs should have done that because it wasn’t an option (and it was smart for the Suns that they didn’t because they almost made the Finals).
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 7, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Note that I called Telfair a big question mark and also that dude is 25 years old, hardly old enough to be written off as washed up. Also you could argue that he has never been in the right system for his game. Scott wants to run an up tempo offense next year, either Mo or an improved Telfair would fit well there.
The Andy Marte comparison may eventually turn out to be apt, but no one can argue that Marte hasn’t had enough chances. Telfair deserves more than a few throw away games at the end of the regular season (where he seemed hungry and did perform well) to prove whether he can contribute here. Especially given that no one on the roster in front of him is exactly setting the world on fire.
Clearly if we could trade for Paul or something that solves the problem, but that seems unlikely no matter how friendlyhe and LeBron are.
Every pessimist thinks himself a realist. In the case of Cleveland sports fans, they are probably right.
I know you said he was a big question mark, but even mentioning that we could trade Mo because Telfari could step up is ridiculous. They guy has played 392 games in the NBA so don’t say that he hasn’t had chances to play. He’s been in the league for 6 years; he’s not going to get dramatically better all of a sudden. He’s averaged under 8 points and 4 assists a game in his career and he’s a bad shooter (.390 FG%). He’s not a good player and to expect that to change after 6 years and almost 400 games played in the NBA is foolish.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 7, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I will agree with you that Telfair has not lived up to the hype that surrounded his entry into the league. I will also agree with you that his stats have been less than thrilling. But guys do get better, often when they get a chance to play by going to Europe or something. Telfair has never been given a chance to be a 36 minute a night guy anywhere that he has been. He has also never been in a system like the one Scott says he wants to run. He seems like he would fit a high tempo offensive and the year that he got the most playing time (2007) was also the year he had the best per game stats. And again he is 25, he has at least 2-3 more years of good physical development and 5-6 more years of on-court mental development before we can say he has truly peaked.
I believe that we could trade Mo because we have Boobie and Telfair waiting in the wings and maybe Pooh Jeter. There is no need to have so many guys that have similar sizes and abilities. So why not trade the guy with the most value to a contender, least defensive ability, and highest salary, to try to land someone to fill a hole where we don’t have a glut of players?
Every pessimist thinks himself a realist. In the case of Cleveland sports fans, they are probably right.
On the basis of what? Who besides (potentially Wade and Bosh) would even be in their starting 5, let alone filling their bench? Two good players and a cast of nobodies MIGHT be enough to get you into the play-offs, especially in the East, but to a championship…extremely doubtful.
Every pessimist thinks himself a realist. In the case of Cleveland sports fans, they are probably right.
Bosh and Wade and a bunch of minimum salary type of guys is probably more than enough to win it all.
In the NBA, stars matter. Jordan and Pippen were able to win 6 titles with a bunch of nobodies on the team. Steve Kerr? BJ Armstrong?? Horace Grant? A bunch of nothings that seem to be better because they are playing among two of the best players in the NBA.
Bosh and Wade and a bunch of minimum salary type of guys is probably more than enough to win it all.
I disagree. LeBron, Wade, and Bosh however might just to do it.
Take LeBron out of the equation though, and Miami doesn’t make it out of the East.
Add LeBron and they win the next 6 titles, regardless of who else they sign. I’d bet they win at least one championship with Bosh and Wade.
Bosh and Wade could win a title together, but they need would need more help than 11-13 minimum salary players and (possibly) Beasley and Chalmers (that is if they aren’t traded to Toronto in order to assure Bosh his full 6-year max. Add LeBron and they definitely win at least a championship or two over the next five or six years. But six straight with 2 of the starting 5 and the entire bench as minimum type guys? Not a chance. People get hurt, people need rest, people come up short for weird reasons. That is why they play the games. And meanwhile, the rest of the league isn’t going to stand still and give the titles to the Miami Superheat before the seasons, and especially the play-offs, even begin.
Good teams with a star player of their own can beat teams with two stars and no back ups on most occasions. I admit three stars (especially these three guys) and a collection of stiffs will be enough to win something, but Boston only made it work once. Without Rondo, they don’t even get close enough to almost win it this year.
Funny how people derided my modest comment that Telfair might do at least as well as Mo at running the point IF he improves, as wishful thinking in the extreme, but are willing to just hand over a dynasty to Miami on the basis that 3 excellent players look good together on paper.
Every pessimist thinks himself a realist. In the case of Cleveland sports fans, they are probably right.
On ESPN just now they said Anderson OR JJ. But what do they do with Jamison? If they can pull off the sign and trade then they can use their MLE on Brendan Haywood to play center and hopefully Z will come back for peanuts. Everywhere keeps saying that Bosh doesn’t want to play center in Cleveland.
i hope you dont
want bosh to play center either..that wouldnt be good for any team.
And i think haywood is going for way more than the MLE
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
yeah my bad…..I know Bosh isn’t a center at all but the problem in Cleveland is they don’t have a center on their roster right now with Z and Shaq both free agents. Hickson isn’t that much younger than Bosh so I say include him and keep Varejao to play some center. Hickson might be good in a couple years but Bosh is good now.
Why is Bosh being so difficult?
You have the opportunity to play with LeBron and a damn good supporting cast (yes, it’s good even without JJ or Andy) but you won’t do it because of the market? This is the age of internet and television, it really doesn’t matter where you are. LeBron has shown that by making a huge “brand” in Cleveland.
why hasn't Bosh made any statements? All this "he doesn't want to play in Cleveland"
crap is coming from “sources”….who are the sources? Bosh stands to lose 30 million and the chance to play with Lebron!
Agreed.
BUT…. (just playing devil’s advocate) He just came from Toronto, he may be tired of the atmosphere and climate, he might now be looking for more of a “palm tree” type environment. He might also fear that Cleveland is just to similar to Toronto, which is wrong, but that could just be his perception.
Hopefully, all that’s wrong though, and the championships and 30 million is worth it.
If the Cavs get Bosh...
…they better sign someone tough-nosed and strong to play the center along side of him (like Shaq, cuz Z would NOT go well along side Bosh)
"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq
We need to get rid of Shaq, hes too slow to run with Lebron and Mo
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That sounds like a newbie comment
"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq
by Max_in_Missouri on Jul 7, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Not that I want Bosh (rather a trade for CP3)
but the ideal lineup would be:
PG – Mo Williams
SG – Lebron James
SF – Antawn Jamison
PF – Chris Bosh
C – Whoever is brought in
The Cavs would be undersized at PG but have ridiculous length at every other position, especially with a Shaq return.
I’m telling you, if Bosh and Lebron came to Cleveland, no way Shaq leaves to go to Boston.
If the choice was Bosh OR Paul, I would definitely go with Paul too, but the problem is that it seems much less likely than the Bosh sign-and-trade. At least to pull of this off-season.
Hornets majority owner George Shinn’s recent words really make it seem like they have no interest in trading Paul.
Speaking of line-ups (if we land Bosh), I think they might take a serious look at starting LeBron at the point. Magic Johnson did it quite well with a similar height, weight, and skill set. I also think this puts as in a much better situation when playing teams with great opposing point guards like Boston or Chicago. I also think Mo’s skill set would be much more efficient at shooting guard. Personally, overall I think this line-up makes sense and would work quite well.
You have LeBron controlling the ball, moving it up court, which he often does anyway, and can utilize his exceptional passing, or drive to the hole. Either way, the offense always goes through James, and never again do we see a situation where LeBron is standing around watching.
PG – LeBron James (listed PG, but Point Forward in actuality)
SG – Mo Williams
SF – Antawn Jamison
PF – Chris Bosh
C – Anderson Varejao / Haywood? / J.J. Hickson
The other thing I really like is that we can really spread the floor, everyone but possibly the center has the ability to hit the jumpers.
But yes, center would depend on who’s lost in the trade and who we add.
I don’t think we’re going to get Bosh. I think it’s really stupid of him to pass on joining LeBron in Cleveland.
“Cavs officials are confident of two things now, multiple sources say: Chris Bosh won’t play for them next season, but LeBron James will.”
This is a recent tweet from Adrian Wojnarowski on Yahoo.
Interesting. While it seems pretty convincing, you still never know.
Personally, I’m starting to agree, it appears Bosh won’t come to Cleveland, despite championships and $30 million more. My guess would be that his primary motivation really is playing in what ever his preferred market / environment is. Perhaps he’s willing to winning and money on the back burner, which seems to be the opposite of most players.
I think we should start looking at other free agent possibilities. Boozer or Lee…?
I hate all of this speculation. I just wish he would announce where he’s going!
Do you think Boozer would want to come back, though?
I don’t understand that at all. Hopefully the fact that LeBron was trying to recruit him for the Cavs is a good sign, though.
I think the Nets owner is right: Bosh to Miami with Wade.
No, we pretty much burned that bridge when we let him go to Utah in 04
Paralyze resistance with persistence.
-You all should know who said this
We didn’t exactly let him go. He agreed to a new contract (verbally), then stabbed us all in the back.
This should never be forgotten
I think about that everytime his name is brought up; I can’t believe there isn’t (that I can see) more anger against Boozer in Cleveland/among Cavs fans
"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq
by Max_in_Missouri on Jul 7, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
FUCK BOOZER
"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq
by Max_in_Missouri on Jul 7, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Bosh must be a moron then.
No one sets him up for titles like Cleveland does, he can make an extra 30 million bucks and he can play with LeBron like he wants.
Also, I find Hickson a bit overrated. He can crash the weakside and make nice dunks off of feeds from LeBron but that’s about all I’ve seen from him so far.
Never been to Cleveland
But what the hell. Bosh hates the city that much already?
Only 7 different teams have won a title since David Stern has been the commissioner
Chris Broussard is just reporting on Mike & Mike that Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade will sign with Miami. Bosh has agreed to go to Miami even if Toronto can’t do a sign-and-trade, which means he’d lose almost $30 million. But I guess he’d rather be in Miami than take the extra money to play in Cleveland with LeBron.
Saw that too, just posted the fanshot a few minutes ago.
I’m still pretty surprised that it seems weather / market / atmosphere is more important than the chance to play next to LeBron and the Cavs which seems like a much better chance at championships as well. That Miami roster is still garbage outside of Wade and Bosh.
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