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Discussion And Thoughts On The Chris Paul Saga

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Conrad: As you probably know by now, there is an abundance of chatter surrounding the best point guard in the world, Chris Paul of the New Orleans Hornets. He is slated to be an unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2012 yet he is already the focal point of many NBA discussions. While nothing is truly official, the general consensus is that Chris Paul will not be re-siging with NOLA in the summer and would prefer to play for the New York Knicks with Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire. That's good for him, but the problem is that while he is still under contract it's not his choice. He can say he wants to play basketball on the moon for all I care, it's not up to him until he plays out the remainder of his contract. All other things aside, I just can't stand hearing a player talk about a potential future team while he is obligated to play for his current team. What are you thoughts on the kinds of statements that Chris Paul has made about playing in New York?

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Aaron: Putting it lightly? It's not that fun to watch. One of my good friends is a Magic fan, and talking to him about the NBA has become borderline excruciating. He's on tetherhooks, swinging from "we're gonna get CP3 and be the next big dynasty" to "my franchise is the worst in human history and I want to stop watching the NBA." He's a pretty hyperbolic kind of guy, but his general response to all this trade chatter seems pretty apt to me. It's leveraging franchises against each other, burning bridges, and making fans of your franchise feel dismissed and anti-basketball. For all the "help" it does the NBA by putting stars in big markets, the damage it does to basketball in the smaller NBA markets is long-lasting and isn't going away. Not that I think the "help" caused by putting them in large markets isn't debatable -- I think it's bunk -- we live in the age of new media and endless connectivity, and you're really going to BS me that moving from one of the 20 largest markets to one of the 5 largest is going to lead to untold millions?

Honestly, though -- returning to the harm. I have relatives in Denver, and while their team still looks well-positioned to challenge for the playoffs next year, all of them stopped following the NBA amidst the Melo-drama of 2010. Maybe they'll come back someday, but the goal for them isn't just "challenging for the playoffs" anymore. The franchise (and the league) in their mind need to make up for the crap they went through in losing Melo, it doesn't really matter if they made out like bandits in the trade. The amount of damage that does to the NBA in those cities is hard to measure. And in the end, I don't think it's entirely the players' faults. Or even mostly. The media deserves the lion's share of the blame for sensationalizing it and bombarding the fans with trade rumors and blow-ups of the most minor things stars say. They say it drives traffic, and that's true, but the damage to NBA basketball as a whole isn't worth the extra traffic you get from large market fans hungry for another title. It's up to the stars not to demand trades in the first place, but I'd argue it's more importantly up to the media to not read so much into everything a star says. Or engage in crazy trade speculation. Or push their sources for more and more info about where stars want to go. Completely takes the power from the franchises and the player to present the trade. Not that it would help all that much, but it would avoid the Melodrama that took place in Denver and would stand at least a little chance of keeping their fans.

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Conrad: See, you said something that really piques my interest. You said that your friend from Orlando is upset with his franchise, something that we did not see very much of when LeBron James decided to leave Cleveland. Instead, and correct me if I'm wrong, I'd say that 99% of the vitriol was aimed at LBJ while most Cleveland fans were not particularly upset with Dan Gilbert. In the cases of Dwight Howard and Chris Paul, however, it seems that so many people are upset with how the front office is handling their potential departure. The fact that the players are being more open than LeBron was certainly helps. Although, by being so open about where they'd prefer to play, they end up hijacking the franchise. It's all well and good for Chris Paul to say that he won't sign an extension with New Orleans, but I think it's absurd for him to be talking about his potential destinations and attempt to force his way to a particular city.

It brings me back to the point that Charles Barkley made when LeBron was constantly flirting with other teams about the summer of 2010 and his impending free agency. Barkley went on SportsCenter and said that LeBron should "shut the hell up". I agreed with him then and I believe the same advice ought to apply to CP3 and D12. Be up front with your current team about your plans for the future, but do so in private. There's no need to tell the media that you want to team up with Amar'e and Carmelo when there is no chance that the Hornets trade you there. After all, you signed a contract and it is your obligation to play out the remainder of that contract. After the contract expires, Chris Paul is free to talk about the New York Knicks all he wants, but until then, it's insulting to his current teammates, fans, and management that gave him a chance in the first place. When LeBron James decided to take his talents elsewhere, people outside of Cleveland consistently maintained that he "didn't owe us anything". That's true; he gave us 7 years and he (usually) played his hardest. The same will be true about Chris Paul after his contract expires. He won't owe anything else to the city of New Orleans, but at the same time, the Hornets don't owe him anything either. They ought to pursue their own best interests and get the best trade package for him if that's the route they decide to take. There's no need to accommodate Chris Paul by sending him to NYK for a few extra basketball pumps. In the end, we have to remember one thing: this is a business. As much as we like to make it out to be something more than that, at the end of the day, it's business. When all is said and done, Chris Paul will do what he thinks is best for Chris Paul and the Hornets have to do what they think is best for their franchise.

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Aaron: I wouldn't say 99% of Cleveland fans were happy with the franchise in the wake of LeBron's departure -- it was high, but it'd be more like 80-90%. There were certainly fans who thought the franchise had failed in an existential way to put talent around him. And while I agree with your second point, that players ought to be less forthcoming about these things so his team can get fair return for him, I'd stop just short of giving them all the blame. To be sure, they should do things in private. The way CP3 is handling this trade is, quite honestly, atrocious. It's essentially saying that Hornets fans don't matter. If he's "not going to accept" an extension anywhere else but the Knicks, why did he need to say that? Why couldn't he at least let the Hornets try to get a fair deal for him instead of automatically taking half the teams in the league off the table? But, again -- as irritated and sad for Hornets fans as this makes me, I stop short of fully blaming the player. Because you have to keep in context the fact that neither him nor Melo ever said anything to that nature publicly. The media have gotten almost TOO good at the undercover-sourching game. And in this drama-focused media culture, they don't see anything problematic about torpedoing one franchise if they can get the latest scoop. A lot of the blame falls on the players -- they shouldn't be trying to force trades in the first place, I agree that they should just play out their contract and let things work themselves out. But a not-insignificant portion of the blame falls on the media for sensationalizing tidbits and rumors from unnamed sources to create these monstrous narratives out of hearsay. That's what really bugs me about all this. It's a business, yeah, but in explicitly torpedoing the value that the Hornets can receive in a trade, the media effectively sabotage the Hornets business to the gain of the franchises he named. It's still a business, for the media that leak this stuff. Just... not one where small markets have any real power, that's for sure.

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Least favorite thing by far about the NBA. Sick of us debating this every year but it’s the argument that will be around forever unfortunately.

by johnf34 on Dec 8, 2011 11:18 AM CST reply actions  

I was really a fan of Chris Paul but to be honest with you I’ve lost a lot of respect for him. Not because he doesn’t want to be in New Orleans, he’s free to go wherever he wants. I wish he would just close his mouth and play basketball. Wait till the year is over and then talk about this stuff. This was the only part LeBron got right. He told the media in the December before he left that he wasn’t talking about the offseason anymore. Just play out your contract, then when the time comes, inform your team (executives and players alike) and fans that you are leaving. His thinking that, “If I get traded now, the fans won’t hate me as much,” is completely off-base. He should have two choices; 1) play out his contract with NOLA for the year, or 2) sit out and not get paid a dime. I realize it’s best for NOLA to trade him a get something for him but I would just hold onto him out of spite. Carson Palmer-esque.

by Sakman on Dec 8, 2011 2:38 PM CST reply actions  

You Mean...

So the player shouldn’t say anything about where he wants to play? He shouldn’t give his team an inkling that he wants to play elsewhere as long a he is under contract? Wait! Who does that sound like? Lebron? No, no,no…couldn’t be. Face it. If a player wants to leave a franchise he will be made out to be the bad guy no matter how it is accomplished. You don’t respect Chris Paul anymore? I am sure that he is losing sleep over that. No, seriously. He should just sign that extension with the Hornets and stay in New Orleans losing year after year. It was good enough for Archie Manning, right? So much so that Archie was damned if he would let Eli go through that same thing with the Chargers. Why should Paul want to go to the Lakers or Knicks and play with one or two other stars and challenge for a ring. After all…he’s making ALL that money, right? I think so-called fans are envious of these guys. Bottom line guys: This is the NBA. Thirty-three of the sixty-six NBA Championships have been won by the Lakers or Celtics. Can small market teams win? Absolutely! The Spurs did it. Sure they tanked a lot of games the year before drafting Duncan by keeping David Robinson on the bench even after he was recovered from his injury and lucked up and got Duncan. It can happen but you can’t be an idiot owner like Donald Sterling or Dan Gilbert and waste money on the Baron Davises of the world. It is not as though big market teams are immune to mismanagement. Look at the Knicks. I would say to Dan Gilbert. If you don’t like the way things are: Sell the team. You will go down in history as the man who had Lebron James for SEVEN YEARS and the best you could give him as a running mate was Antawn Jamison.

by Azeron on Dec 11, 2011 5:31 AM CST up reply actions  

I don’t think New Orleans is gonna have a team for very long once CP3 leaves. I really hate the way things are going in the NBA.

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by Adrock2099 on Dec 8, 2011 3:49 PM CST reply actions  

New Orleans doesn't have the population base to support multiple teams post-Katrina

The fan support for all the teams before the hurricane was pathetic, now post-Katrina they seem to have latched onto the Saints as the city’s team (as it’s a college football hotbed, this probably should have happened earlier) – I just don’t think there’s enough money to go around there to support the Hornets in New Orleans, especially with them set to go 11 – 55 this season.

Is Gary Crowton fired yet?
Is Jerry Angelo fired yet?

by ES46NE10 on Dec 8, 2011 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Allow me to update this post: Everyone just give your best players to the Lakers. The End.

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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Dec 8, 2011 6:06 PM CST reply actions  

I wish that deal would have went through for LA. That was a stupid trade for them for so many reasons. They would have been left with NOTHING up front other than Bynum, and that’s a scary thought. That trade would have ruined them.

by johnf34 on Dec 8, 2011 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I cannot justify why fans of something like 22 teams even would want to watch this, and that is disheartening

I’m actually a visiting fan of one of these big-market teams (the Bulls), but as much as it’s hyped, a league where 22 teams serve as essentially a glorified feeder system for six or eight teams is not fun. It’s lame. I said it. If the Bulls are not winning a title, I would rather see somebody I haven’t seen hoist the trophy before, have somebody new experience how cool that is – not these spoiled Lakers and Celtics or entitled Knicks fans. (Houston would be okay if they brought yellow back to their jerseys)

The Cavaliers, Jazz, 76ers or Bucks playing in the NBA finals once every other year is not the end of the world and I hate that this keeps happening (and that Houston is considered a non-glamorous small market but that’s a different story) and that the NBA loves that it keeps happening. Whatever similar trade package the Magic get for Howard, be it the Bulls, Lakers, Celtics or some dreck franchise like the Knicks, is again only going to be like 12 cents on the dollar, and I would be unable to give any rationale for any fan in Orlando as to why they should ever watch the NBA again.

I couldn’t justify it, and that sucks. Their team will never be allowed to win anything, and that’s almost as bad as proclaiming “the regular season will be devalued if we have a playoff” and then stage a regular-season rematch of a shitty game in the National Championship Game (pure hypothetical there of course).

Howard, unlike Paul at least has not spoken glowingly of the Knicks like they were some sort of flagship franchise, so I can’t really hate that guy.

Is Gary Crowton fired yet?
Is Jerry Angelo fired yet?

by ES46NE10 on Dec 8, 2011 7:45 PM CST reply actions  

Players Should Use Every Weapon At Their Disposal

Chris Paul and Dwight Howard have the right to tell their current teams what teams they would prefer to be traded to. Charles Barkley did it…twice. Once with tht Sixers and again with the Suns. Just because a player makes his wishes known does not mean the team will abide by them. Take Paul, for example… He prefers the Knicks, but the Knicks do not have the currency which the Hornets require. Therefore they worked out a deal with the Lakers and Rockets which would have garnered them three starters, a back up point guard and a Lottery pick. As far as the Hornets " management that gave him a chance in the first place." Nevermind that he should never have slid past the foolish Hawks who drafted yet another small forward to add to their stable of five when they clearly needed a point guard…had the Hornets passed on him you have better believe he would have been drafted and been just fine. They did not do him a favor.Players have a right to speak to the media about their preferences. It is called leverage. When a player goes to management and says, “Move me!” Like Chuck Barkley did and the team drags its feet…suddenly the player leaks the info through his agent. Now it’s just a rumor. Team is on the hot seat. Team continues to drag its feet on the issue…player goes public. If the team is going to make him play out the duration then now THEY are on the clock. Trade me or I walk and you get nothing. Considering players lack the mobility to change teams it is really the only card they have to play and one would be a fool to leave ammunition in the chamber. Make no mistake about it. When a player wants to be traded…management is the enemy. They are an obstacle standing in the way of that player getting where he wants to be. It is then up to management: We can do this the easy way or the hard way. Your decision.

by Azeron on Dec 11, 2011 5:18 AM CST reply actions  

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