OffSeason
by ChewyFL on Jun 2, 2011 11:33 AM CDT
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PrintJust thought I would throw some thoughts about the off season, since there is nothing else going on here.
Kyrie Irving:
Irving, no brainier locked in #1 no trading or anything. He is the best player even though we haven't seen much of him. For the reasons why Irving is so highly regarded see article previously posted by PanMan321. http://aarontorres-sports.com/articles/nba/kyrie-irving-and-the-cleveland-cavaliers-a-match-made-in-heaven.html Even though Irving will be great he wont start off great(injured for most of the season) which is fine because we have the best situation for him. We don't expect to be a contending team for years(3-5 playoffs in 2) and we have a really good veteran PG that we have for one more season. I say the first season(if we have one) keep Davis the starter and majority of minutes. Davis came in and completely changed the mind set of our team and vastly improved it. Let Irving come of the bench and really learn Scott's system and learn from Davis how to be a good PG and leader. Davis has 2 more years in his contract which means that next off season he will become Jamison. If he starts or play a lot this upcoming season and does well he will be extremely valuable, we can use Davis with either a pick or another player to jump as close to the top of the draft as we can, to get one of the top SG or SF. Then once we trade Davis away Irving can step in as the leader.
Other Picks:
Right now we have 4 picks in the draft, after #1 the Cavs FO has shown that nothing is certain. It seems that there will be a real big deal go down on draft day or right before it, so its hard to judge what to do because we have no idea what picks we will have when its all said and done. There are many names out there that we could try and trade for(Rip, Gay, Ellis, Iggy). IMO it looks like there going to trade for a good young SG(Ellis or Iggy hopefully) and if we still have our last pick were going to draft a combo guard(we worked out 3 players projected to be second round/undrafted Cory Joseph, Diante Garrett and Cory Higgins all either PG or combo guards) to eventually develop in to a great back up for Irving and SG. Which IMO is a pretty good idea(*even though i haven't researched the player they worked out).
When the big trade is done the Cavs wont just have the #4,whether its the number #2 instead or #4 and another pick or no pick and a big name SG, who knows. Yet if we have the #2 take Willliams, #4 Kanter, or a pick from #8-11 its hard to judge, depending on if they got much interest for JJ or what other players we already have gotten. If we get Kanter, I know some people have said to trade Andy, but I think thats jumping the gun, all players coming out of the draft have a risk. If we trade away Andy and Kanter isn't as good as we thought then we are set back a couple years. Even if Kanter is as good as we believe he wont hit the ground running at peak performance.
As the first second round pick I like Parsons after some time in the D-league, could be a back up SF on a Championship team. I think Diebler and Lighty are good also, but seems like there going undrafted (lighty has a better chance of getting drafted).
Trades:
With possibly 4 draft picks, maybe one undrafted player and a trade, we're running out of space. Clearly we need to trade Jamison which should be easy. Also with Irving coming in and one more season of Davis, Sessions is the odd man out, he did very well this season and is valued higher than usual. I think a team that could use him is Lakers because they need a heir to Fisher, but idk what they have that we could get. Also with the TPE and every player trade able (JJ and Andy deal need to be huge) we have many option this off season.
With 4 picks already in a weaker draft, IMO we dont need anymore picks. The only way I would be ok with another pick is if we don't get a SG through trade and get another first round for Klay Thompson, Alec Burks or Marshan Brooks. Other than that situation we should use our assets to get a SG or draft picks in the 2012 or 2013 draft(hopefully the SF packed 2012)
Please any thoughts on?
-Who should we trade for?
-Who should we draft in the second round?
-Who should we trade from our team?
etc
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No to Monta Ellis!
Yes, his offense is high-powered but his defense is lacking. Iggy is 28 but is definitely still productive.
I think we should stand pat with our draft picks even if we could acquire another lottery pick. We could potentially nab Irving, Kanter & Leonard (a 1, 3 & 5) in the 1st Round. I like Travis Leslie early in the 2nd Round and the other pick could be a rotational forward such as Jamie Skeen, Rick Jackson or Jeremy Tyler.
Hopefully, Antawn Jamison, Daniel Gibson and the TPE all get moved prior to the draft.
Whether we get a vet or not this offseason i think we should still draft a SG as well as a SF next year and eventually trade the vet
That would be a successful first round to me but in the second round: I don’t think Jeremy Tyler will get into second round, someone is gonna take a chance on him in the end of first(Big men always rise). I’m not a fan of Travis Leslie and don’t know much about the other 2. I am a fan of Lucas Nogueira(He is real tall and real good on defense). I also like Andrew Goudelock, even if he doesn’t improve much he still is a crazy good shooter off the bench.
I think it will be easy to deal out Jamison and if we dont use TPE ill be pissed but as for Gibson i wouldnt care if he stays or goes. I think he is willing to take a smaller role but sessions is not.
"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard" -Norm Nixon
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
I haven't heard much of Nogueira...
Other than he is a raw talent guy at the moment. I’m definitely not against that. I;m all for a big man who defend the post and his own position. If he can fill an “Omer Asik” role for the Cavs, then I’m definitely all for it.
As for Gibson, I may be in the minority with a lot of Cavs fans about this. The guy is hurt for most of the year and cannot play any defense as a combo guard. He says that is a PG, but I have yet to see it. I would be happy with a 2nd Round pick for him or as a throw-in to another trade. He makes $4 million to ride the bench. It’s fiscally irresponsible for someone who has such a small impact on this team. I think New York would be a perfect place for him. They don’t play any defense there. Being a marginal 3-point shooter when it doesn’t count is extremely overrated.
This team needs to have the fan base acclimated with the new stars coming in from the draft and current ones (J.J. Hickson, Baron Davis & Anderson Varejao) need to step up their game. If Andy can’t handle the starter’s role at Center and stay healthy for the majority of the year, then he needs to go also.
Soft spot for Boobie
I agree that Gibson is injury prone but IMO when healthy he is a decent offensively but still overpaid and should go soon. I have to admit though he is a hometown favorite, so wont be to mad if stays.
I think Andy should be traded in about 2 or 3 years and Davis traded next year and IMO JJ can stay unless a better one falls into our laps and awesome trade.
As for Nogueira, I see him as A slightly worse versus of Hollins with a MUCH higher ceiling, He can run the floor like Hollins, also doesn’t really have back to the basket offense but rebounds and blocks like crazy and gets pushed around some in the post because he is so skinny.
"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard" -Norm Nixon
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Lucas Nogueira Info from DraftExpress
Turns 18 in late July
Weight: 218 lbs.
Height (w/ shoes): 6’11.5"
Wing Span: 7’5.5"
Standing Reach: 9’3"
Playing for Asefa Estudiantes in the Spanish EBA, where most large clubs enter a youth team, Nogueira has shown marked improvement from last season. Averaging a double-double at 11.8 points and 10.5 rebounds while contesting shots all over the place in just 25 minutes per-game
PLayed Team USA in gold medal game had 22 points, 14 rebounds, 3 blocks
"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard" -Norm Nixon
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
I could be happy with...
Kyrie Irving
Enes Kanter
Kawhi Leonard
Lucas Nogueira
Iman Shumpert (I’ve heard that the Cavs really like this guy. He is also a SG so he also fills a need.)
i would be smiling :)
"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard" -Norm Nixon
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Hopefully the second round picks are a spot up 3 point shooter (off the bench) and a developmental big man (ala Kaun).
For trade possibilities, the Lakers have Derick Caracter who I liked last season. I don’t see him cracking the Lakers frontcourt anytime soon. he could be a nice addition.
Diebler and Nogueira
Diebler: best shooter in draft but cant really do anything else
Nogueira: Is a developmental Big needs some years tho in either D-league or maybe with a coaching staff and a Brazilian player (perfect situation anyone?!)
I don’t like Derrick Caracter that much
"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard" -Norm Nixon
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
I think we'd draft David Lighty before we draft Jon Deibler.
Lighty is a defender. He can play the 2 or the 3. He can shoot from distance at times. When the defense puts any focus on Deibler, then he almost completely shuts down. I would be fine with him as an undrafted FA.
ya i was just throughing him out there as probably the best spot up shooter in draft
i would totally draft lighty or diebler but dont think he will go undrafted someone most likely will take a chance just because he is crazy good shooter.
"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard" -Norm Nixon
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Caracter recently punched a waitress and had huge character issues in college as well.
Yes, that is Kyle Kuric
by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 4, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I would say that almost anyone should be up for trade, except JJ. They should trade anyone they can to Minnesota to get their number #2 pick and keep our #4 pick, even if they have to do that trade with the Pistons, basically they should do whatever we can. I know it sounds crazy but imagine a trio of Williams, Irving, Kanter, that would be a team for the future and one of them would have to be rookie of the year.
You would think that...
but the thing is that you absolutely need veteran leadership on a young team like the Cavs. We shouldn’t be so hasty to trade Varejao. A tandem of Kanter and Varejao could be a very interesting dynamic.
Oh, and Minnesota will not release that #2 pick without us giving our #4 even if we do somehow acquire Detroit’s #8 overall selection. Minnesota’s GM David Kahn doesn’t like the idea that he got screwed over in the Draft lottery and that the Cavs were the big winner. He will not help us.
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