Game #18 Preview: New Jersey Nets at Cleveland Cavaliers
by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 9:25 AM CST
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PrintThe Cavaliers beat the Nets the last time these two teams played by a score of 98-82. Remember that game? That was the game when Nets fans were getting upset at me for picking the Cavs over their super talented team. Fast forward to today and the Nets are 6-13 and still terrible. This should be oodles of fun.
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Tonight's Overview:
New Jersey Nets (6-13) at Cleveland Cavaliers (7-10)
The Cavs are coming off a nice win against the Knicks and the Nets are coming off a completely inexplicable win against the Sixers. Could the Nets actually be improving and worthy of the irrational praise they receive from their fan base? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that no, they are not actually improving and that their win over the Sixers was a fluke. Other than the fact that New Jersey has like 15 guys with the last name "Williams" on their team, I can't really find any other reason why anybody should care about this team.
LOLWUTOMG YOU FORGOT WE CAN HAZ DERON WILLIAMS THO. Okay, calm down. Here's why I'm not really excited about Deron Williams: he's been awful this year. What the hell happened to the D-Will that was worthy of being one of the league's top point guards next to Chris Paul? It seems like he forgot to come to Jersey when Utah traded him. His FG% completely fell off when he got to the Nets. He shot 34.9% from the field with the Nets last year and is shooting a similarly miserable 39% from the field this year. His assist rates are still doing okay, although they have fallen off a good amount. Part of this is a result of having a garbage team around him, but he also just isn't playing as well. You'd figure that the scoring would still be there, right? As of right now, he's on pace to put up the worst PER of his career since his second year in the league.
If any Nets fans are reading this, make sure to have a seat and grab a paper bag before scrolling down and reading my next sentence.
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Kyrie Irving is better, after playing just 16 games, than former all-world point guard Deron Williams has played with New Jersey.
Whoa, that was extreme. Okay, there are a few conditions to this statement. This doesn't mean that Kyrie is better than Deron ever was or that he will even finish the season better than him. But as of right now, the Deron Williams that the Nets got in the trade with the Jazz has been less than what they expected. So much so, that a rookie point guard is outplaying him. Right now, I'd put Kyrie Irving in the All-Star Game over Williams
Key Matchup:
MarShon Brooks vs. Alonzo Gee
I'm not sure if this matchup will actually happen, but as of late, Gee has just been guarding the best scorer on each team they face. And he's been phenomenal. He's really bothered LeBron, Kobe, and Melo this season. Brooks is one of the Nets few decent offensive players and if Gee can shut him down, it will be very difficult for the Nets to score effectively.
Fear The Sword's Fearless Prediction:
The Cavs once again beat the Nets and Kyrie gets back on track after his off shooting night against New York. Kyrie scores 19 points and Cleveland wins, 95-87.
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this post is complete bogus the nets are going to own tonight
by berber on Jan 27, 2012 10:23 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Wow... this site is an embarassment
It’s a horribly run site by the most amateur of amateur “sports writers” (if you can even call yourself that) I have ever personally seen. Seriously.
Have you ever even been you college? Cause it doesn’t look like it. You have no writing skills or talent of any sort. You write like I would if I were texting my friend.
You probably complain and wonder why this site has no regular followers, but I don’t wonder why, because I know why. Its because this site is run by a biased, homerism filled, knowledge-less dolt. It probably also has to do with that no one wants to be a fan of scum bag franchise, in the ghettos of trashy Cleveland. As quoted by Dennis Horner after arriving in Cleveland, “No wonder LeBron left this place.”
My advice to you, go out and find someone who actually knows how to run a sports site properly, and someone who can actually discuss something without a pair of Cavaliers glasses on.
Good luck :-) Bye Bye
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by The Chair of Knowledge on Jan 27, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Let the unnecessary outrage... BEGIN!!! But in all seriousness, I meant every word I said.
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by The Chair of Knowledge on Jan 27, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
Did you guys know that Kyrie Irving is a Nets fan?
He’s signing with the Nets after the 2015 season. LeBron 2.0
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by The Chair of Knowledge on Jan 27, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
yup he said his dream was to play with the nets
by KillaHoose on Jan 27, 2012 3:15 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I advise you to check out Netsdaily to see what a real basketball site looks like.
Thats also why there are hundreds of comments on every post.
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by The Chair of Knowledge on Jan 27, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
so you guys are trolling us .and we are one with the unproper site? this a cavs blog! conrad blogs about the cavs and he thinks we are better than the nets and think’s that irving playing better than d will right now .i dont see what youre geting so upset about.and trashing the city of cleveland just because you don’t like it is so classy.yep nets fans are so classy .
get ready for hords of angry nets fan’s to comment. for such an awful team they have a lot of fans on the internet.
They will have a lot of fans until the trade deadline passes. After Orlando passes on Mikhail Prokhorov’s offer of Kris Humphries, 3,000 acres of prime land in Siberia and weekend use of his timeshare in Colorado, I imagine all hope will be lost.
/I don’t know if trading the team’s future for 100 games of Deron Williams was the wisest move.
haha .they are the most delusional fanbase that’s for sure.the idea that orlando is just going to give them howard for there trash is laughable .
its kind of like thinking lebron was going to stay right
whens kyrie a free agent again
by mightymosdefinition on Jan 27, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Superstars want a big market, thats why nobody came to Cleveland and LeBron left..same with Melo in Denver..I know losing your superstar gets you angry but Dwight and Deron is happening
Lopez
Brooks
Okur
2012 first round pick
other first round picks
for
Dwight Howard
by RandyOreens on Jan 27, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
No. This is the same problem a lot of Cavs fans have in over-valuing their team’s talent. Lopez is a decent big who just had major surgery on his foot. I don’t think he’s the centerpiece Nets fans make him out to be. Cavs fans approached JJ Hickson the same way; plenty of them thought he was an all-star waiting to be unleashed rather than seeing him as a PF with a double dose of Drew Gooden in him.
Brooks is talented but unproven guy. He’s probably the best asset NJ has. Is Okur’s contract expiring? He’s meh otherwise. Stockpiling picks is all well and fine, but other teams will be offering both picks and better players. I don’t see him going to NJ because someone will give up more.
How is Brook unproven?
You can make an arguement that its unknown how he’ll perform after the surgery, but he has 3 full years of NBA experience averaging 17.4 points per game, 7.6 rebounds, and 1.7 blocks.
cuz holding out and expecting lebron to resign was very wise
by KillaHoose on Jan 27, 2012 3:13 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
For the flack about LeBron, the Cavs were coming off two straight sixty-win seasons. At least they had their run with the guy. After he left, they blew it up to start again and we’re beginning to see the results.
The Nets, on the other hand, gave up Favors, Harris and two firsts for a guy who wasn’t willing to sign an extension. If he leaves, they won’t have any assets remaining to rebuild with thanks to the deal.
Seriously, what assets do Dallas, New Jersey, LA, or NY have to get Howard? If I was to get the best that each of those team could offer COMBINED, I think I’d get like 1 1/2 solid NBA player’s worth of talent for one of the league’s best.
by Savage_Buckeye on Jan 27, 2012 11:47 AM CST reply actions
I cant take any of this seriously, this might be the worst written piece ive ever read in my life
The Cavaliers aren’t a good team stop acting like you are the OKC Thunder or something
by RandyOreens on Jan 27, 2012 12:02 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Guess Tyson Chandlers better than Dwight Howard because he is shooting a higher % in your mind
by RandyOreens on Jan 27, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Check the stats
Significant are the per 36 minutes, WS/48 and PER. Deron gets to the line more, dishes more assists and has less turnovers. If Kyrie didn’t turn the ball over through teammates hands because they aren’t ready for his passes twice per game/took care of the ball better on dribble drives he would dominate those categories as well. I think Deron is definitely a better one on one defender, but Kyrie’s defense is better than people realize. When you’re trying to defend the PnR and your partner is Antawn Jamison you’re not going to look good. The argument that Kyrie Irving is better than Deron Williams right now is perfectly valid, and so far this season the Cavs have looked better than the Nets.
It's not even close to valid, unless you are just looking at numbers
And if you want to do that, Manu Ginobli is having a better year than LeBron James by PER.
The real debate isn’t Deron vs Kyrie, it’s MarShon vs Kyrie and who is the better rookie.
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Manu played like 5 games…
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly
But if you look at PER, he’s better than Lebron.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
but D-Will and Irving have played the same amount of games..
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Again, too small a sample size
Talk to me at year’s end and we can discuss who had a better year. I think Irving will be an elite PG in a few years, but there is no comparison to Deron right now.
Unless you want to compare their rookie years?
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Are you telling me that DWill with the Nets has been the same guy as he was in Utah? He’s shooting under 40 percent. That’s terrible
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
Great assist #'s, shooting % has been down
And once again (echo echo) too small a sample size at this point.
The shooting has begun to turn around. Turnover rate has been what’s the biggest knock to his game.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
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You’re ignoring win shares and stats per 36 minutes. It’s not just PER. Just check the stats and watch them play.
Sorry but the sample size is far too small to make any claim like that
I enjoy the debates, but like I said, Deron vs Irving is a laughable debate. It’s MarShon vs Irving which is fun since they are both rookies and while the sample size is still too small to make real conclusions, it’s an interesting discussion.
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"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Cavs fans...
You really need to learn statistics…Its the same as in baseball where a light hitting middle infielder like Marco Scuttero gets on a hot streak and is batting .400 over 10-15 games – that does not make him an All-Star.
We’re now comparing the number one pick in the draft to a middle infielder in baseball? Take a look at Kyrie Irving’s rookie #s and compare them to the rookie numbers of Chris Paul
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Have you ever taken a statistics class?
Its all about sample size…right now there is a +/- of a very large number. This means that you can’t use Kyrie’s first 15-16 games to project anything about his performance tonight or going forward. Its the very same as the baseball comparison where you can’t assume that Scuttero (in that example) will continue to hit .400 going forward.
i think the cavs will be geting a lot of call’s about three team deal’s .becuase andy is better than any of teams bigmen on howard’s list.yes,even better than the la’s twin towers and a lot better than lopez.but the cavs will have to be overwelmed to trade andy.
Anderson is nowhere close to Bynum,Gasol,Lopez at all
by RandyOreens on Jan 27, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
How can you even say that? What is he better than those guys at?
by RandyOreens on Jan 27, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
okay maybe not the lakers bigs but i think it’s closer than you think .hei rebouding and defence is very good and doesn’t try to do too much on offense.ohter team’s fans dont have any idea how good he is.
Ive watched him in the playoffs and on national tv games, he is a flopper..good at defense okay but has zero reliable post up he is a role player
by RandyOreens on Jan 27, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
How many centers in the NBA average 20ppg?
he averaged close to 9 rebounds/game his first 2 seasons..no reason to think he can’t improve on his horrid rebounding season last year.
He is FAR from a role player.
LoL.
Yeah, Irving is better than Dwill.
and the Cavs are just sooo much better than the Nets..without Brook Lopez.
Ok then.
Anyway I think Nets blow the Cavs out
Nets are going to be upset about losing to a terrible Cavaliers team last time, and want to blow them out of the water quick. Irving will put up a lot of shots and try to be fancy being in NJ, but I dont see him having a big impact on the game.
Nets 95 to Cavaliers 79
The game is in Cleveland
and it won’t be a blowout but by reading this writeup you would think we were playing Chicago.
The game is in Cleveland
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 12:31 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Didn't know Cleveland fans were such dicks
burgandie...
by Jeffrey Sutton on Jan 27, 2012 12:28 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
um you guys are on our blog .i dont see how we are the dicks.
by beanjames on Jan 27, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
they had the best player in the nba for a while
there still a residual effect from that
by mightymosdefinition on Jan 27, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
I just want to know how Deron has been better than Kyrie this year? He’s been so inconsistent and inefficient.
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 12:30 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Deron is still averaging 19 and 9
with a 34 and 11 game last outing. He’s finding his stride this season after a rough start. Brook Lopez, the Nets #2 scoring option, has been out all season so he’s had to play with a bunch of 1-year deals and D-leaguers as the Nets tread water waiting for Dwight Howard.
Williams has had to adjust big time, but to say Irving has been better because he’s shooting a higher %? Come on now. Irving isn’t even averaging 5 assists/game.
Irving is having a nice year no doubt..he isn’t even close to Deron Williams’ level.
I agree
Irving’s #‘s compare to Dwill’s so far this season. I jumped the gun on this post trying to defend Deron as the better player but the argument made is a valid one.
Thank you. I’m not invalidating Deron’s career. I’m saying that since he joined the Nets, he has not been the same.
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
I think by the end of the season
(especially if the Nets get Howard) Dwill’s #’s will return to form.
The team is finally showing some cohesiveness so I expect better performances.
There is no talent to pass the ball to in New Jersey besides Brook Lopez and Marshon Brooks.
Obviously the former has not been playing. Anyone who did not expect his numbers to drop on a team without talent is kidding themselves.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 27, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Deron has been trapped all year and without another 20 point scorer and low post man its been hard...the Nets are last in points in the paint I think
If Kyrie was on the Nets and he had to face what Deron has faced he wouldn’t be anywhere close to Deron right now.
by RandyOreens on Jan 27, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
The Cavs don't have another 20 pt. scorer
Also Samardo Samuels is probably our best player in the post when it comes to offensive moves. Nearly all of our points in the paint come from fast breaks, putbacks (hustle plays) and drives from Kyrie. Are you saying the Cavs are a better team than the Nets, and that’s why Kyrie is comparable to Deron Williams right now?
It's the main reason Deron's shooting % is so low right now
he faces doubles all game and is forced to take tough shots more often than he’s ever had to in his career.
i don’t think irving is better than d will right now .i think he might be better down the road but not now.
Irving is a good player likely to become a top PG down the road
but right now, despite Deron’s inconsistent season, the 2 aren’t comparable. I think that’s why so many on the Net board got ticked when they read this write up.
netsking youre post’s are well thought out.the rest of you are trolling. conrad’s piece was well written .i don’t see what you have to complain about are blog.
i read and respect netsdaily .you guys have a great blog .i just dont see why some of you guys have to troll over here.
okay one of youre posters called cav’s fans dicks other’s posted about bron and someone posted in russian .that trolling my friend
The Russian one does not speak english.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 27, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
conrad, hillarious piece. you just trolled all of new jerseys fanbase. nets fans, calm down – your team is worse than you think, even if you land howard.
Also, i am confused by the arguments nets fans have been proposing so far. I have heard that the cavs are talentless and a trash team. I have also heard justifixation for deron williams subpar play blamed on the shitty team the nets have. so which is it? Are the cavs a better team and deron is better? or is kyrie better and the nets a better team?
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 1:27 PM CST via Android app reply actions 2 recs
posted from my phone. mind actually addressing what i said?
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 1:30 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Sure
You’re comment about us sucking even if we get Howard is foolish.
In regards to Deron/Kryie..both teams are deprived of talent but the Nets are missing their 2nd best player and scoring option.
With Lopez back, the Nets are a better team IMO. Kyrie has played well, he isn’t near the player Deron is.
i said didnt say that you would still suck i said they would not be as good as nets fans think they will be. i dont think the nets with deron and howard would be title contenders.
kyrie has played better in cleveland than deron has is in new jersey. the way i wrote it made it soun like i meant kyrie was better but thats not how i intended it.
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 2:11 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Kyrie has been better than Deron...
…relative to expectations. Swap there stats and I promise you none of you would be calling Deron better than Irving
by netsfanrasmus on Jan 27, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
Have you looked at the numbers this year?
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
Yes and I dont see how irving's are better
Kyrie Irving, Cle PG 6.4/12.8 .495fg% 2.9/3.6 .820ft% 1.1 3PM 3.2 rebs 4.9 assists 0.7 steals 0.5 blocks 16.8 ppg
Deron Williams, NJ PG 6.4/16.4 .390fg% 4.3/5.2 .839ft% 1.8 3PM 3.7 rebs 8.6 assists 1.1 steals 0.3 blocks 18.9 ppg
The only stats irving has the advantage is fg% and blocks, which really isnt relevant
by netsfanrasmus on Jan 27, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
What about PER? Or win shares? Or offensive efficiency?
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
The numbers you gave dont even account for the disparity in minutes played..
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
True true
But Deron’s stats are better than irving’s. Sure dwill has played more mins but HIS stats are better and thats all I was trying to prove.
by netsfanrasmus on Jan 27, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
compare per 36 minutes and I’m not sure you’ll come to the same conclusion
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Waffles are better than French Toast IMO
And how could you say the Nets are a bad team with Deron and Howard?
but one was acquires through trade, and both handicap the financial flexibility of the knicks. Bad situation. are the nets trying to trade for howard?
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 2:18 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
getting him as FA is prettt good. trading for him is a bad idea
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 2:20 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Carmelo/Stoudemire is a far better tandem than Deron/Howard.
Carmelo Anthony and Amare Stoudemire are still going to be in the league in 3 years. Deron Williams… not so much.
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
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ur joking obviously
by KillaHoose on Jan 27, 2012 2:51 PM CST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
So you don't think Deron Williams is on his last legs?
Wow
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
Follow @semicorrect
Because being 27 years old in the NBA means you are on your last legs.
Supreme Logic
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 27, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
Semicorrect is trolling. And he’s doing a pretty solid job at it
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
i think dwill/howard will be less of title contenders than the heat. who would guard the 2s and 3s?
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 2:19 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
jason kidd just won a title as starting point guard.
also chalmers is a respectable defender.
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 2:22 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Deron & Dwight < Melo & Amare <<< LBJ, Wade, & Bosh
"We just lost to the Steelers 20 hours ago and that still hurts. I need to get home and eat a burrito." -Phil Dawson
No, Dwight and Deron would be better than Melo and Amare, it just isnt going to happen, though.
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
Why not?
If the Magic don’t trade him, his #1 choice is to play in Brooklyn and we will have the cap space to sign him.
If they DO trade him, we will be able to make a good offer at the deadline.
Stars control their own destiny, as you may know, so if Dwight wants the Nets there’s a good chance it happens.
by NetsKiNG on Jan 27, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If I become a Cavs fan, does Dan Gilbert give me a crystal ball, too?
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 27, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
lol at Gilbert and his letters. dude is too emotional
by KillaHoose on Jan 27, 2012 3:04 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Now you are just trolling yourself
Please explain how that’s possible.
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by eLonepb on Jan 27, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Kyrie Irving is better, after playing just 16 games, than former all-world point guard Deron Williams has played with New Jersey.
Read what I wrote again. I said hes been better than Deron has been in NJ. That’s all. And the stats back that up.
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 1:43 PM CST reply actions
this dude clearly doesnt watch the cavs play.
also, this is a classic argument. “since my guy has been statistically underperforming i will rely on unquantifiable things like impact”
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 2:13 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
deron williams “impact”: 7 – 13
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 2:15 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I guess you could argue that
I think an argument could be made for both sides.
I think a lot of us read that and freaked out at IRVING >>>> DWILL!?!!
well yeah, but thats because you didnt read what I said.
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
You didn't start off on a good note
“Fast forward to today and the Nets are 6-13 and still terrible. This should be oodles of fun.”
Are you arguing that the Nets arent terrible?
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
I think they've done a decent job treading water
through tons of injuries to key players.
I think the win in Philly without MarShon Brooks was a great win.
I think 6-13 with the schedule that we’ve had to start the year isn’t terrible.
They’re 2 games out of the playoffs and w/ Lopez coming back soon I think they will be a pretty decent team.
But Brook isnt back. As it stands now, they arent good.
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
And neither are the Cavs, but in my opinion, theyre better than the Nets
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
your really gonna say 16 games into his.career that he's better then PG who's been top 3 for years. Wow is all what I gotta say. Nice professionalism btw
by KillaHoose on Jan 27, 2012 2:07 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
You literally did not read what I said
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
as soon as you said kyrie>Seton. All credibility went out the window, no matter how u try to justify it. lets hope lebron opts out and can save you guys
by KillaHoose on Jan 27, 2012 2:16 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
this, just 16 games but I see what your saying
by KillaHoose on Jan 27, 2012 2:23 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
ok the numbers may be better, but who would you take on your team,
by KillaHoose on Jan 27, 2012 2:21 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Considering age and contract? Kyrie. But like I said, this isnt invalidating Deron’s career. It’s saying that Irving is more deserving of an all-star spot right now. It isnt a lifetime achievement award.
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
Kyrie Irving >Seton Hall
That’s right, I said it.
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
Follow @semicorrect
That’s the point, he is only comparing the games this season, not talking about other years. Pay attention.
K then Manu > Lebron
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"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Cavs are terrible and the Nets are terrible
Fact.
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"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
by eLonepb on Jan 27, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
way to bash, just wait till the cavs lose
by KillaHoose on Jan 27, 2012 2:03 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Man you acting like the Cavs are a contender
Nets and Cavs are mediocre, but Nets have had way more injuries, Injuries are part of the game but….anyways Nets have a top 5 center coming back in a couple of weeks while the Cavs have the same “great” team for the rest of the year.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
Couple of things...
When Deron got to New Jersey, there was an issue with his wrist that negatively impacted his shooting percentage. He had bone fragments and scar tissue in his shooting wrist, which he had surgery for and missed games for. You can’t hypothesize a “Deron Williams Declines in New Jersey” headline without mentioning this.
What I think you are wrong about, without trying to be biased, is your claim that the Nets haven’t improved from the beginning of this year. The team that started the year had no experience playing with one another. Okur was traded 2 days before the first game. Shawne Williams, Sheldon Williams, DeShawn Steveson were brand new to the team (for starters). This team had a huge identity crisis because it was built as an inside-outside team, but is playing without Brook Lopez. Regardless of whether he’s a top center in the NBA, he puts points on the board for us and is a pillar of the offense. The nets that played the cavs didn’t have a clue what they were doing. The Nets HAVE developed an identity since then.
Also, you gotta give credit to the Nets for the win in Philly, where they were 8-1 before the Nets came in — we did it without Marshon and Brook.
by Dolphins_Nets on Jan 27, 2012 2:22 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Is it that dull over here your blogger has to poke a hornets nest, or is his writing always this biased and ignorant?
by SovietBrooklyn on Jan 27, 2012 2:24 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
lol well last time nets fans came in here first. its not always this anti team we areplaying
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 2:29 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
yeah, it’s just because they got so mad last time. no other team comes here and freaks out
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
When Fear the Sword sees their site's hit count today
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by eLonepb on Jan 27, 2012 2:26 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
When they see it's all Nets fans
by Dolphins_Nets on Jan 27, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
When they realize they can just attack Nets and keep hit count high for advertisers
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by eLonepb on Jan 27, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
When MarShon has a better game than Irving
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Holy shit, we better win tonight.
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 2:28 PM CST reply actions
Yeah you better the worst team in the league (the nets) are facing title contendor (cavs) tonight
According to you
I never said that. If you read my stuff regularly, you’ll know I think we are doomed once our schedule gets tougher and the rookies hit the rookie wall
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
I have never experienced a fan base as stupid as Nets fans.
by C.b.I on Jan 27, 2012 2:30 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
They’re from New Jersey. I mean, that’s basically the entire argument right there.
"We just lost to the Steelers 20 hours ago and that still hurts. I need to get home and eat a burrito." -Phil Dawson
Yup, that’s the city that Cavs play in.
"We just lost to the Steelers 20 hours ago and that still hurts. I need to get home and eat a burrito." -Phil Dawson
I think it’s pretty apt. I mean, the rust belt may be economically depressed, but at least we aren’t the laughing stock of the entire nation.
"We just lost to the Steelers 20 hours ago and that still hurts. I need to get home and eat a burrito." -Phil Dawson
Rather ridiculous statement
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Laughing stock?
far from it. New Jersey is a great place to live.
Again, Jersey Shore is just a TV show.
yeah Cleveland was good enough for lebron, .....oh wait
by KillaHoose on Jan 27, 2012 2:35 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
MTV has completely ruined us.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 27, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
Antawn Jamison has a higher shooting percentage than Deron Williams this year
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 2:31 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
lol jamison is the anti-big man
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 2:33 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
SMH
Another mind blowing comment.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
How does that blow your mind? it’s literally just a stat
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
Obviously Jamison > DWill then
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No, not at all. Im just saying THATS how inefficient DWill has been scoring
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
And I'm saying THAT'S how ridiculous and misleading stats can be so early on
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I think the last blog that talked trash about the Nets was Washington's I think.
That team and their fans haven’t been the same since.
"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?" - Al Iannazzone
no, it was the Raptors
They lost to the Nets and then lost 9 of their next 10 after saying how they would manhandle our joke of a team
by SovietBrooklyn on Jan 27, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
wow
so desperate for views and hits on his pitiful blog that he spews trash about other teams when his team has ONE win more than the team he is trashing and the Cavs have yet to beat a quality opponent (no the Knicks arent a quality opponent).
I guess losing all your star players because your city sucks can make you delusional.
Marshon VS Iman: Bring the rivalry on my nuiikkkass!!!
Not as delusional as expecting that Deron Williams will somehow land you Dwight Howard.
"We just lost to the Steelers 20 hours ago and that still hurts. I need to get home and eat a burrito." -Phil Dawson
I understand that when we beat you again tonight and lead the season series 2-0, you’re still going to come around and make hilariously vain attempts to troll us like “lol at least we don’t live in cleveland”, the great irony being, of course, that you root for a team from New Jersey.
"We just lost to the Steelers 20 hours ago and that still hurts. I need to get home and eat a burrito." -Phil Dawson
What does where someone's team play have to do with ANYTHING?
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It has nothing to do with anything. I live in Boston
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
So why are you debating it?
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I never brought it up, that wasnt me
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
Total delusions
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_howard_requests_trade_magic_nets_121011
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did I just imagine Dwight saying the.nets are his first choice and wants to play with deron and morrow
by KillaHoose on Jan 27, 2012 2:37 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I think it’s more likely that Deron and Dwight both go to Dallas, but that’s just my opinion.
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
I think that's 100% an option
But far from “more likely”.
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It’s virtually all speculation. That’s just my opinion.
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think he was really going for massive pageviews
I think he was annoyed at how stupid Nets fans were last time, so he decided to troll for fun and you all flew off the friggin’ handle.
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
Follow @semicorrect
The depression is getting to these Cleveland fans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN0WqSeCKW8
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
NetsKing is only respectable/level-headed nets fan here. im sorry you have to deal with all these other dudes on a nightly basis.
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 2:40 PM CST via Android app reply actions 2 recs
If only you knew...
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lol you shouldnt talk. when conrad pointed out dwill was shooting lower percentage than antawn you immediately got defensive and said “obviously jamison>dwill then”
you hear only what you want to hear and seem to be incapable of inferring anything reasonable from statistics
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 2:43 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Anyways...
Deron Williams could shoot 20% and has more impact on the game than Jamison old self.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
you can see my thoughts above about the unquantifiable impact argument above, which no one has responded to yet
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 2:47 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
It was an illogical response to an illogical post
Finding someone with a better shooting % than Irving through 16 games says nothing at all about that player other than he has a higher shooting %.
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yeah and thats the point conrad was making. despite jamisons catch and chuck, inefficient style of play, he has been scoring more efficiently than deron.
conrad was just using that stat to illustrate the fact that deron has been inefficient this season
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 2:50 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
WHY ARE YOU INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTADING THIS? Deron Williams has been a terribly inefficient scorer this season. That is the only point being made here. Thats it.
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 2:54 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Which means what...
That through 16 games, Jamison has been shooting more efficiently than Deron. Yes and this mean…
nothing.
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it means a lot because Jamison is so incredibly bad!
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
first thing you said that's right
by KillaHoose on Jan 27, 2012 2:55 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
So you are saying Deron is incredibly bad?
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I’m sayin Deron’s scoring has been incredibly bad this season, yes.
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
Well you guys should be happy that you have Jamison, and not Deron
by RandyOreens on Jan 27, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i hope im getting trolled right now, and that people this stupid dont actually exist
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 2:57 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Unrec'd because I know you, and you are no man
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No, but its a ton for a game preview haha
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
Players like Howard want to play with Williams,despite his "inefficiency". Does Howard want to play with A.Jamison or even Kyrie Irving?
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats//id/429/jason-kidd
/id/429/jason-kidd" >
Kidd was never an efficient player FG% wise, BUT he’s always been considerd an all time great.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
Why would he his team sucks.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
RandyOreens has more posts in this Cavs-Nets preview all the Cavs fans did before they played the Knicks , lol.
"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?" - Al Iannazzone
so what are you trying to get at
by KillaHoose on Jan 27, 2012 2:46 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Wow...
Immature, thoughtless dribble. It is amusing witnessing a writer who lacks the fundamental ability to restrain himself. Your polemic tone coupled with your unprofessional and petulant attacks on the Nets Fan Base warrant condemnation. Moreover, the article lacks a fundamental understanding of how basketball works and lays out arguments that are either unsubstantiated or largely pointless.
Look man, I undertsand you are an angry person. And hey, you have every reason to be. I mean you presumably live in Ohio. That state where industry dried up three decades ago and where population decline has set in. A state with a lack of prestiguous universities both private and public. My sincere condolescnes for having to live in Middle America. On top of this, you guys have to deal with miserable sports teams. The Browns did well this season right?
Then finally you guys catch a break – you are so miserable you get a high pick and draft Lebron James. Unfortunately, despite being a native, he soon realizes that there is nothing glamorous about living in Cleveland and leaves in the most audacious fashion imaginable. That must have been a huge emotional blow for your city.
So I understand where you are coming from. I get your Middle America-Walmart-east-coast envy. Your ire is tangible and it informs your writing and your reasoning. However, I would advise seeking some psychological help before posting further. You really only embarrass yourself as you fumble for new ways to outlet your rage and rationalize your meaningless existence.
In actual basketball news, once Brook Lopez returns the Nets are objectively a better team than the Cavs. Usually I would feel the need to delve into advance metrics and splits, but this conclusion is so obvious to me that it should warrant no further explanation. Furthermore, once the Nets have an inside presence and a second scoring option, I expect the team to settle for far less perimeter threes as the shot clock expires. I would imagine a significant increase in Deron William’s efficiency upon Lopez’s return.
Have a nice day,
Rainy
P.S. NYC is the greatest city in this country
by Rainy on Jan 27, 2012 2:47 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
I live in Boston
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
you moved because "Cleveland really sucks".
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
I moved because of father’s job when I was 2 years old.
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
Hah
Still doesn’t change the fact that you are a horrendous and petulant writer and a very angry person. Your basketball analysis is similarly laughable.
Thanks for the kind words.
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
I woulda snapped already if were you. good for you
by KillaHoose on Jan 27, 2012 3:05 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I applaud you for even responding, really.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 27, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
Serious question
why would someone plan on going to Cleveland?
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 27, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
I have family there, it’s a nice city if you like the city but dont want to be overwhelmed by an enormous one like New York or Boston
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Well, family reasons is perfectly fine.
I am simply talking about it from a tourism standpoint. Can’t say I know anyone who would pass on NYC for Cleveland.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 27, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
1)i go to school in chicago and miss cleveland every day.
2)i have stopped responding to lebron / economic insults long ago
3)lopez will obviously help the nets a lot. but they will still be fighting with cleveland for the eight seed at the end of the season unless you trade for howard.
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 3:01 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
we play in the eastern conference
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 3:04 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I agree, they will fall off significantly.
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
And yet you are still noticeably angry about Lebron
I am glad you ignore the fact that Lebron embarrassed your fanbase and Cleveland is one of the worst places on the planet, but these things at least implicitly affect the way you think. Like Mr. Kaczmarek you appear a very angry person. So much so that you have lost the ability to behave rationally or intelligently.
On the plus side your idiocy draws attention to Fear the Sword. So good work?
If you think the idea that Kyrie is outplaying Deron this season is irrational, then I dont know what to tell you.
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
But he isn’t outplaying Deron. Your entire analysis is predicated on individual stats like per 36 and PER. These measures are fine, but the next logical question for me is whether Kyrie would be able to perform at the same efficiency if he were a member of the NETS. I seriously doubt it – our offense is that inept without Brook Lopez.
Even not discounting for teams, Deron Williams is superior enough in defense (which is largely unaccounted for in PER and per 36) and play making that I have a hard time believing the difference in shooting percentage is enough to justify your claim. Even if it is, you have not made a compelling case as to why we should weigh field goal percentage so heavily. You are operating on a lot of unsubstantiated and unexplained assumptions here. Another mistake as a writer.
But let’s take you at your word. I’ll assume you are correct. What is the point of your statement? The reason you have drawn the ire of Nets Fans is because we place your relatively innocuous point about Kyrie Irving outplaying Deron Williams in the context of your post, which is far more hostile. We assume that you insinuate something more when comparing the two players.
I guess I don’t get the motivation of citing one player outplaying another in a small sample size in and of itself. If you had qualified your statement more precisely…for instance: “Deron Williams is a better player than Kyrie, but thus far in the year Kyrie has been significantly more efficient” that wouldn’t be a problem. Of course that statement would be too balanced for your bias.
Did you read what I said?
Whoa, that was extreme. Okay, there are a few conditions to this statement. This doesn’t mean that Kyrie is better than Deron ever was or that he will even finish the season better than him. But as of right now, the Deron Williams that the Nets got in the trade with the Jazz has been less than what they expected. So much so, that a rookie point guard is outplaying him. Right now, I’d put Kyrie Irving in the All-Star Game over Williams
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
If that statement is doused in bias as you suggest, then I dont even know what to say.
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
Yes I did and my point still holds. You never made a definitive statement about Deron’s skill in relation to Kyrie’s. You simply said “that doesn’t mean Kyrie is better”. That is an extremely weak qualify that doesn’t even engage the question of who is or is not better. You leave open the possibility that Irving is a better player, which in the context of your ridiculous post, is a conclusion the reader might expect.
What you should have said is that Deron is a better player, but has obviously been struggling. You could then proceed to claim Irving has been more efficient, which is objectively true.
This aside, you still have not provided sufficient reason for why you weigh FG% so highly. Until you do so I see no reason to believe Irving has outplayed Williams. As the author the burden of proof is ultimately on you. I do enjoy that you have sidestepped this crucial element of my questioning.
Actually that’s just my analysis, Conrads is based on FG% and PER, in which which Kyrie is much better. I was using per 36 minutes statistics because Kyrie plays significantly fewer minutes than Deron. When we are losing by a lot Kyrie gets zero run, when we are winning by a lot (like the Nets game earlier this year) Kyrie also doesn’t get run. Comparing their per game statistics is unfair to both players.
Okay, Freud. Lmao who do you think you are? You are on a sports blog using words like polemic and petulant. you must think you are pretty important. You try way too hard; despite your herculean vocabulary and impeccable grammar you still sound ignorant to me.
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 3:11 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
You used herculean awkwardly
Even if your use of the word was an attempt at satire, you failed pretty miserably. Oh and this is how I reason and talk – I don’t have to try hard, it just comes to me naturally. It is the byproduct of a strong education and my current enrollment at law school.
Lol is it natural for you to drop the fact that you are in law school at the end of your arguments too? The fact that you felt the need to say that makes my argument more credible.
I could talk about how im on a full ride academic scholarship at a private institution. I could talk about how through my third year of a BS in physics i have a 3.9. i could tell you all of my wonderfil test scores, but im not a douche and i havw nothing to prove to you. Have fun in lawyerland, you beling there.
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 3:39 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Lol is it natural for you to drop the fact that you are in law school at the end of your arguments too? The fact that you felt the need to say that makes my argument more credible.
I could talk about how im on a full ride academic scholarship at a private institution. I could talk about how through my third year of a BS in physics i have a 3.9. i could tell you all of my wonderful test scores, but im not a douche and i have nothing to prove to you. Have fun in lawyerland, you belong there.
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 3:41 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Wouldn't an immature, thoughtless dribble be palming the ball?
Just a thought.
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by Semicorrect on Jan 27, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The Nets with Brook Lopez look better than this year’s Cleveland team, at least on paper. We’re more concerned with building through the draft and using our massive amount of cap space. Cleveland also isn’t your typical midwestern city. I’ve never been to a Wal-Mart there. We have a diverse and progressive-minded population, one of the best Orchestras in the world, the second most endowed community foundation (1.9 bn) in the country, the best hospital in the world, one of the best art museums in the country, world class restaurants, microbreweries, award winning public transportation & so on… Cleveland has its problems too but it doesn’t make sense to lump us in with the rest of Ohio/the midwest.
cleveland also has burgeoning food scene including the historic west side market
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 3:06 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
yeah, as you guys have brought up dozens of times, cleveland has learned something about letting a star athlete define your city
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 3:12 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
1. Just because somebody writes something you don’t agree with, that doesn’t make him a bad writer. It’s actually pretty hilarious how much you guys have overreacted to one small comment.
2. I seriously doubt you have never been to Cleveland. I’ve never been to Jersey. I’m not going to talk shit about it. If you’ve never experienced life there, why even comment?
3. I don’t see how it’s obvious at all the Nets are better than the Cavs with Lopez. You think adding a center who gets 6 boards a game helps THAT much? I mean sure he drops 20 a game, but did the Nets even win that much with him and Dwill on the same team last year? And sure, let’s live in an imaginary land where Brooks/Lopez and a couple picks will get you Dwight Howard. Your team just got a lot worse. Two great players isn’t going to help you win anything without at least a couple of legit role players that can drop 12 a game or play lock down D. Meanwhile, the Cavs are building a serious team and get this, our fanbases hopes don’t rely completely on attracting a center who relies on his athleticism and physicality and already has seven years already on his resume.
Kyrie is already thinking about leaving
he wants to go play for da New Yawk niks at duh gahden.
Yeah just ask any Knick fan they’ll tell you. LMAO,
PS. According to many basketball players, well not just basketball players everyone really says “Cleveland really sucks”.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
This is laughable.
So much so, that a rookie point guard is outplaying him. Right now, I’d put Kyrie Irving in the All-Star Game over Williams
I think it's fine.
It was the great Thomas Jefferson who said:
“God Cleveland sucks”
debatable. tribe fans were weak this year. before cav got lebron we didnt pay much attention either. browns fans are loyal to the grave though, and browns backers are world wide. good luck finding a giants or jets bar in cleveland
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 3:15 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
try Manny’s on Second
by FrenchToast979 on Jan 27, 2012 3:18 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
lol this is the most attention this blog has gotten in a while
The person who runs this blog can barely get 200 comments without resorting to trashing other teams to attract their fans to his page.. pathetic.
Its working thou. Enjoy your day of fame Cavs cuz nobody gives a shit most days.
Marshon VS Iman: Bring the rivalry on my nuiikkkass!!!
I literally could not care less about page views. I write for Cavs fans and for myself. I gave Nets fans a hard time because they were so easily offended last time…and they took the bait. We still have a small readership because I just took over the site this season, but the people that read it are informed and reasonable
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
I believe that Kyrie has outplayed Deron this year. And that is not a trolling argument to make. The stats are there for it.
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
Williams: 19 points, 9 assists, 1.1 steal, 4 rebounds
Irving: 17 points, 5 assists, .7 steals, 3 rebounds
Williams has not been as efficient as has been in the past. That is your only argument. Why you baited Nets fans off of that one point, I do not understand. He isn’t playing with talent. He has been adjusting to a role in which he is no longer a pass first point guard and is demanded to shoot more. It is not hard understand why he has had efficiency issues.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 27, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
Kyrie and Deron’s supporting casts are comparable in that they are both pretty bad save for a few exceptions. Despite the poor talent surrounding Kyrie, he still manages to take smart shots and shoot a high percentage taking them. Being a shoot first guard doesn’t mean you have to just chuck up shots like Deron does at times.
Once again
this is not a role he is used to.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 27, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Claiming that Deron’s adjustment is bigger than Kyrie’s adjustment is laughable. The dude is a rookie.
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
Yea..
Like im gonna believe that you took all that time to write such a detailed piece.. only to have the 17 Cavs fans and the 26 converted Heat fan/ ex Cavs fans that are online and might stumble upon this hot steaming pile of hot garbage you wrote?
No.. you wanted attention for your pitiful blog i only ever heard of today… and you baited one of the largest fan bases on the net so that you could generate traffic. Its cool. It worked and was genius of you. It even got ME in here. I applaud you.
Marshon VS Iman: Bring the rivalry on my nuiikkkass!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VePxbFQ-qfw
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 27, 2012 3:28 PM CST reply actions
It's too bad the Nets are going to overwhelm the Cavs with their primo lottery talent.
Terrence Williams, Brook Lopez, and Derrick Favors are simply unstoppable :(
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Brook isn't unstoppable, but he's pretty talented.
Doesn’t dominate on rebounds, but he’s a top center anyway.
by Dolphins_Nets on Jan 27, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
lol @ the cavs
Why are we even here? Lebron was the reason we started caring again, now that hes gone we shouldnt care anymore.
Conrad Kaczmarek = Dan Gilbert
by 1stnamelastname on Jan 27, 2012 3:44 PM CST reply actions
I really don’t get Nets’ fans outrage. They’re 6-13, and their self-identified best (or second best) player is out with a foot injury for another month. It’s not exactly some insane logical reach for someone to say that a younger, healthier team that soundly beat the Nets a few weeks ago should beat them again.
You guys are just like the Timberwolves fans, but with a less talented team to watch.
by M.J.D. on Jan 27, 2012 3:48 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
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