Thinking like Joe Dumars, circa 2004
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It seems as though everyone has come to a consensus over the last couple years: there is only one model for NBA general managers to follow if they happen to be from a small/mid/cold weather market, and that is of the Oklahoma City Thunder. I dont mean to suggest that this isnt right, or that somehow OKC isnt in a terrific position moving forward with Westbook/Durant/Harden. They have solid perimeter defenders, they have solid interior defenders, they have perhaps the best pure scorer in the league, they have a pg who doesnt really seem to have a ceiling, and they are incredibly young.
But I am unsure that this is the only way to build, or that it is even possible to really emulate. For one, it isnt every day that Kevin Durant is available for anyone to draft. Second, a talent like Russel Westbrook isnt always available with the fourth pick in the draft. If the Thunder had won the lottery a couple years ago, we are looking at a team in OKC waiting around on Greg Oden. So it is hard.
The Cavs seem to have the first part of it down. Kyrie Irving looks like he is two years away from being a really transcendent basketball player. Whether he gets to the DHoward/LBJ/Wade/Bryant/DRose/Durant level, well, it sure looks like it will be close. Tristan Thompson, the jury is out. He looks, at a minimum, like a defensive force. And this is where Joe Dumars comes in.
I think the Cavs need to build like the Pistons did when they won a championship. At the most basic level, this means a commitment to defense, and offensive efficiency. Every team strives for this- the Pistons did it without a truly great player. Chauncey, very good. Sheed, very good, Rip, Tayshaun, Mcdyess, Wallace, good. They had a big point guard who could defend and create and shoot. Sound a little bit like a 19 year old rookie on our team? They had an athletic big who was limited offensively but knew his role and disrupted everything. Echoes of Tristan Thompson, should the young fellow continue to improve. These are the pieces we have. So what else do we need?
Chauncey, Rip, and Sheed were all capable of putting up 20 points and it wasnt a surprise. We have Kyrie, and Jamison, and Jamison isnt going to help moving forward. As much as I love a guy like Kidd-Gilchrist, and would love to have him aboard, he wont take pressure (anytime soon) off of Kyrie as the lone offensive threat. Harrison Barnes may not be available with our pick, and this is where the Thunder complications come along. The Thunder dont take on bad contracts and build through the draft. Well, if Barnes isnt around, the quality of wing scorers goes down. Last year, our options were Kawhi Leonard and Alec Burks. Perhaps they wont be bad players but I dont see Durant or Harden talent there. This year, it will be a similar rolling of the dice. Maybe Beal becomes a star, we may have to count on it. But ultimately, we will have to consider making trades like Dumars did to pick up a veteran like Sheed who can come in and score.
This creates risk. A lot of people thought the trade for Sheed was a major risk and wouldnt pay off for Detroit. In a year or so, I hope the Cavs are willing to take a risk to compete. So what does this look like? Am I just rambling? Maybe. Guys in parenthesis are draft/trade targets. will the trade targets be perfect? no, but to get a championship, you have to take on risk
PG: Irving
SG:----- (Beal, Eric Gordon, Evan Turner)
SF: ----, Gee (Gerald Wallace, Iguodala, Barnes, Kidd-Gilchrist, Lamb)
PF: Varejao, Thompson
C: Varejao, Erdin, (Drummond, hope we hit on a draft pick from Miami/NO/trade)
I guess the main thing I am arguing is that assuming Tristan Thompson and our pick this year will turn out to be slam dunks like OKC is a lot to ask. We have to be ready to take on veterans come 2013 that can take pressure off of Kyrie. We have cap space this summer, and we arent getting any big time FA to just sign here. We gotta trade for them.
Thanks for reading.
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Phenomenal.
I’m very down on Tristan becoming an 18 and 10 type guy but if he’s our 4th or 5th best starter we could do well. There is an abundance of wing scoring talent in this draft. And it is less than unlikely that they will end up producing in the order they were drafted. So even when we pick something dumb like 9, I’m praying that the wing we get shoots up like a Paul Pierce guy. We’re in for some hurt if this draft doesn’t go well. It would be frustrating to sit through another 26 game losing streak but I could handle it again just for this year to make sure we get our guy.
My thoughts exactly John...
It would be nice to be rewarded for our patience… and that the guy we get for it is better than advertised, as Kyrie seems to be so far… we need a big man or a shooting guard i think and we will be playoff bound shortly thereafter
"Performance comes from work and dedication, belief and strength. Words and excuses get you nowhere." -Jason Heyward, Atlanta Braves Rightfielder
theoretically, they will have the built in advantage of playing with Irving and Varejao. I wish I knew how to evaluate Casspi or Gee. I think Lamb could be a big improvement over both, but if we go that route we will have to find a SG that can guard on the perimeter. Beal is actually sort of a perfect fit the more I think about it. Irving-Beal-Gee/Casspi/Thompson/Varejao could really defend, and the backcourt would produce.
Drummond would be nice (moving Varejou to power forward)
Anthony Davis- at power foward (if we cant get Drummon)
Lamb/Beal/ Perry jones or Barnes. Any one of these guys could make a difference with us next year. Its a nice draft.. But honestly id love to have Drummond in the paint and Varejou paired up with him in the pf position)
"Performance comes from work and dedication, belief and strength. Words and excuses get you nowhere." -Jason Heyward, Atlanta Braves Rightfielder
Really awesome. Will front page this tomorrow.
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jan 30, 2012 11:31 PM CST reply actions
I saw this on ESPN the other day (Link here Insider, though) and I found it pretty interesting. Looking at it, I’d think you would have to do this deal if it were available.
4. Memphis Grizzlies trade O.J. Mayo to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Daniel Gibson and Omri Casspi
Mayo is playing well off the bench for the Grizzlies, but the club essentially has been trying to move him for nearly two years. With his qualifying offer for next season at a hefty $7.4 million, Memphis isn’t sure what it wants to do with him. Making this trade would save them a headache. Gibson gives them the 3-point shooting Mayo has provided, and then some — Mayo is a career 38 percent shooter from behind the arc, while Gibson has shot 42 percent. He also is poised, playoff-tested and cheaper than Mayo. Casspi is young, long and fairly athletic. He’d add to their depth off the bench.
While Mayo has been a good soldier as a sixth man, his competitive juices have to be telling him he’s a starter. Remember, he averaged 18 points per game during his first two seasons. Cleveland is set at the point guard position for years to come with Kyrie Irving, and putting a shooter like Mayo beside him would give the Cavs a strong backcourt for the foreseeable future. They’d be set at the guard spots and free to concentrate on improving their front line.
Dirt Bikes!
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jan 31, 2012 9:22 AM CST reply actions
Mayo is an RFA after this season, though. I’m not positive on that
Dirt Bikes!
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jan 31, 2012 9:24 AM CST up reply actions

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